Is Edward McDermott from Ottawa?

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I'm trying to track down one of my maternal 2nd great-grandfathers, Edward McDermott, and the line seems like it hits a (sturdy) brick wall in Ottawa.

He was likely born on 18 May, 1849 and according to his naturilization record, he came to the US via Ogdenburg, NY in Feb of 1865. 

He moved to Oshkosh, Wisconsin and stayed there for the next dozen years; meeting his future wife Elizabeth Doyle, getting married, getting naturalized, and having at least two children, Nellie and Mattie.

In 1877 he moved Escanaba, Michigan, had 2 more children, George Elmer and Ermy, and worked for several decades to come on the Chicago and North Western Railway before eventually passing on 15 July, 1934.

His death certificate lists him as being from Ottawa, Canada and says his parents are unknown. The census records I have for him say his parents were either Irish by birth, or that his mother was Irish and his father was Canadian of Irish descent. His crossing at Ogdenburg, NY suggests he came from or via Ottawa. DNA suggests I do match McDermotts from Ottawa, but also Quebec and NB. And there is absolutely no trace I can find of him in Ottawa records. 

The only other clue is that his obituary says he had a brother who survived him (so still living in 1934), named Hugh McDermott, who was living in San Francisco. 

I've gone pretty deep on Ottawa records, have been in touch with the local library there for genealogy help, combed through church records, etc and the problem I'm running into is the local records are actually pretty thorough and I just haven't found him. Does anyone have any insight on how to proceed? Is it possible him and his brother Hugh are from elsewhere in Canada? Or were actually born in Ireland? Would love any insight or advice, and I've uploaded a number of documents to the attached profile for anyone who wants to take a look.

WikiTree profile: Edward Mcdermott
in Genealogy Help by Christopher Roberts G2G2 (2.9k points)
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Is this Edward in the 1861 Census? ("Ontario Census, 1861," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQ7Q-BR1 : 5 September 2017), E Mcdermott, Ottawa, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada; citing p. 68, line 3; Library and Archives Canada film number C-1101-1103, Public Archives, Toronto; FHL microfilm 2,435,833.) If not, you may want to try Quebec records. There was an Ottawa County in Quebec across the river from the city of Ottawa. A long shot, but perhaps worth a try.

by Laurie Cruthers G2G6 Pilot (165k points)
edited by Laurie Cruthers
i ruled out the 1861 census in the prior G2G question linked to this profile.
Missed the previous post. Thanks, S.
Laurie - it's close but I think is linked to an Emmett instead of Edward. I'd posted over a year ago and have solidified quite a lot since then but it's unfortunately all on the US side of the border. The naturalization record really helps pin down where and when he crossed but he's still a complete blank on the Canadian side.
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Took a look at summary listing of baptisms that I could find, for Ottawa the only church I can access records to is the Notre-Dame basilica.  For 1849 I see 2 children baptized, as follows:

28 Dec 1849 Bridget McDermott b 27th daughter of J Mcdermott & M Haskin #336

25 Mai 1849 Patrick McDermott b 18th son of M. Mcdermott & C. Fitzgerald #153

So there are McDermott s in Ottawa then.  I am presuming he was Catholic.  If he was of a protestant denomination, won't be able to help since I didn't find any of their churches listed in the area.
by Danielle Liard G2G6 Pilot (656k points)

very good Christine, I find the baptism of Hugh McDermott on 13 Aug 1848 in Notre-Dame de Québec, son of Michael McDermott, born on the 12th.  Mother's name is omitted, his godfather is named Edward Lantrim (? uncertain), godmother Mary Bowen, who is the only one who signs with the priest.   https://www.genealogiequebec.com/Membership/LAFRANCE/img/acte/4608458 bapt. image Drouin collection (membership required)  Definitely the same family as Patrick, the ages are right.

interesting, the census shows their neighbours as a Fitzgerald family and on the other side a man named Edward Collyer, they're all from Ireland except the kids born here.

Holy smokes, I think that's them 

Really, I can't thank you enough.

I'm not on Genealogy Quebec, so do either of you know offhand if there's any record of them being married there? I tried running those records down but didn't have any luck.

didn't find a marriage for Michael McDermott, the fact that they were in Québec for the first son's birth makes me think they were recent arrivals.  They might even have been through the Grosse Isle quarantine station.

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/immigration-records/immigrants-grosse-ile-1832-1937/Pages/immigrants-grosse-ile.aspx

Gov't database, free access.

there is actually a Project on Grosse Île/Isle, you might want to talk to them on this.  Never got involved in it myself, not sure how active it still is.

So interestingly enough, it looks like there is one Michael McDermott who came through Grosse Isle. 

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/immigration-records/immigrants-grosse-ile-1832-1937/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=32056&DotsIdNumber=

I'm not sure how complete the database is, but it looks like if that is indeed my guy, he came in a few weeks before the marriage, was one of the tenants from Strokestown, and part of a group of 3 adults and 2 children. 

Think I may have found the marriage too, if this is them:

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1091&h=13747091&ssrc=pt&tid=115225482&pid=362142897961&usePUB=true

not got an Ancestry account, so can't see what it says.  I actually saw 2 men named Michael McDermott listed in BAC-LAC item on Grosse Isle, one of them dying there.  The other has a referral to another source, you can probably find out what it is from the intro to the site, didn't chase things up myself.  He was tenant from someplace, probably the one you are listing here.
Danielle - that's exactly what I saw. There was a teenager who died right after arrival, and a Michael who was part of a group of 3 adults and 2 kids who lived. I suspect that's my guy. Thank you so much for the help!
tag Grosse Île instead of one of the other tags you have on, might get some assistance from that project

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