Virginia/United States please PPP Samuel Jordan c 1586-1623

Question

The profile of Samuel Jordan has been reworked to reflect the latest genealogical and archaeological research. England Project has detached false parents (and is, I believe, working on correcting errors in his known wife Cicely ________). He is frequently conflated with Silvester Jourdain of the Sea Venture, even by some published historians.

Please PPP the reworked profile to prevent the attachment or re-attachment of undocumented parents and so that users hopefully discuss significant changes to the profile before making them. There is significant and plentiful false information on Samuel Jordan throughout the world of internet genealogy.

One final question regards the currently attached first wife. It is believed by a number of respected historians and genealogists that he had an unknown first wife in England by whom he had possibly three sons. See profile for details. The currently attached first wife is fictional and with children not seen elsewhere. Should she become an Unknown Unknown or the three possible children simply detached from her, left attached to Samuel as father, and simply entirely detach the current first wife?

Answer 1

Dorman dredged the depths of his diplomacy and wrote:

"The paucity of records concerning the earliest decades of Virginia settlement led earlier researchers to conclude that a number of families later resident in Virginia descended from members of the Virginia Company or from pre-1625 settlers.  Although the circumstantial evidence then seemed persuasive, new discoveries have raised questions about some identifications.  Readers of this fourth edition will note that descendants of several early Virginia settlers are no longer included herein.  Other circumstantial connections have been retained herein since no contrary evidence has been presented, but no new families have been included on the basis of circumstantial evidence alone."

In other words

Nobody wants to be descended from a latecomer, they've all hooked themselves up to Ancient Planters, just on having the same surname.  So he's got rid of the bogus lines wherever he could find an excuse, but he had to keep the ones he couldn't "disprove".

Obviously it's about making Thomas Jordan the son of Samuel.  He was pre-Muster himself, so Virginia Nobility, but not quite pre-Muster enough to get the Ancient Planter badge, which is Virginia Royalty.

Same age as Cicely in the Muster, so can't be her son.  Previous wife required.  Luckily there's no clue about the age of Samuel.

Presumably the other sons were also there for a purpose.

I see Frances Anne has by some mystical process acquired her own clones of Cicely's daughters Mary and Margaret.  I've proposed merges.

Comments

Actually, there is a clue about the age of Samuel from the 1992 dig at Jordan's Journey--if the grave that was suggested might be Samuel's is in fact his.  A clue. By no means definitive. Since we know the approximate birth year of Thomas, that estimated span for the birth of Samuel is problematic for Thomas.

Perhaps 'Virginia Nobility' or ancient planter 'royalty' status is important to some...the same folks who spend their lives attaching themselves to European nobility by whatever tenuous thread can be manufactured. In the case of cleaning up these Jordan profiles to reflect facts vs plenty of fantasy, I'd like to see us deal with knowns and make an attempt toward a better understanding of the known unknowns (and perhaps a few facts will find their way to the surface). 

That Thomas did not inherit from Samuel seems irregular and has always, for me, been the biggest red flag.

Lucy Corker is an issue but one stone at a time.

Answer 2

We have Samuel's alleged son Thomas married to Lucy Corker.  Dorman says his wife is unknown.

There was a Lucy Corker who married a Thomas Jordan, but that was later and the Thomases aren't related

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Corker-57

And so it goes on.  And on and on and on.  Every stone you turn over, something nasty underneath.

Answer 3

I've made the profile PPP as requested under Virginia Project.

Comments

Thank you.

Answer 4

I found a source for you for Samuel Jordan/Jorden, whose wife is listed as Sisley/Cicely.  

From The Complete Book of Emigrants, 1907-1660, Peter Wilson Coldham, Published by Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc, Baltimore, 1987.  Copyright 1987. LCCN 87-80832.   ISBN 0-8063-1192-4

1. Page 33:  4 June, 1823. "Examination  of Captain Isaac and Mary Maddison and of Serjeant John Harris taken before the Council of Virginia re a supposed contract of marriage between Mr. Greville Pooley and Mrs. Cicely Jordan a few days after her husband's death.  Cecily Jordan has since contracted herself to William Ferrar.  (CSPC).  CSPC is Calendars of State Papers, American and Colonial Series, 1574-1660, ed.  W Noel Sainsbury.  Longman & Green, 1860

     2. Page 36:  At Jordan's Journey:   'Living:  Sislye Jordan;  Temperance Baylise, Mary Jordan;  Margery Jordan;  William Farrar.'

      3. Page 51: Jordan's AJourney (21 January) 1625. "Mr. William Ferrar 31      by Neptune August 1618;  Sisely Jordan 24 by Swan August 1610;  Mary Jordan her daughter 3, born here;  Margrett Jordan 1, born here;  Temperance Baley 7 ,born here,"  

Also, Seventeenth Century Colonial Ancestors, of Members of the NATIONAL SOCIETY COLONIAL DAMES XVII CENTURY, 1915-1975,  Compiled by Mary Louise Marshall Hutton, Ann Arbor, Michigan, Edwards Brothers 1976.   Page 88:  Farrar, William (1594-1637 Va;  m. Cecely Jordan. 

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