Pardieu, Pisseleu, Dreux : pre-1500 help welcome

Question

Nicolas de Pardieu https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Pardieu-10

According to various secondary sources (but no primary records I can point). 

His parents were Nicolas de Pardieu and Austreberthe (Audeberthe) de Pisseleu (dates unknown)

Austreberthe was the daughter of Jean de Pisseleu and Jeanne de Dreux (1439-1478), Jeanne being the daughter of Robert de Dreux (1406-1478)

All secondary sources seem to rely on the "Histoire généalogique et chronologique de la maison royale de France" by Anselme de Sainte-Marie (first edition 1733). Full text available at Google Books. Pisseleu family is described p.746.

I see this book is quoted on various Euro Aristo profiles. Is there substance enough to include the above, which would make for the royal ascendancy of the Pardieu lineage.

Answer 1

Hi Bernard, these are 15th century people and Anselme's work, though it's of  course a secondary source, is considered reliable for this time period.

The Pardieu family is also chronicled by Moreri (Nicolas and Audeberte are on the right column, at IV)

There are other genealogies mentioning the pair, none that cites sources that I can see though. But they are briefly mentioned in Histoire du canton de Meulan (p. 285) and this book, which is about church bells in the Bray area (inscriptions on bells as sources - interesting).

The family (Pisseleu) also has an article in Mémoires de la Société Académique d'Archéologie, Sciences et Arts du Département de l'Oise (in 1886) but I can't access it.

Comments

The article about the Pisseleu family is here, but doesn't seem to give any sources for the marriage to Jeanne de Dreux or their daughter's marriage to Nicolas de Pardieu (over on p. 509).

I agree that Anselme is considered reliable for this time period and haven't been able to find a secondary source that doesn't basically rely on him for these families.

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Thanks, John, I thought that article would be in Gallica but was unable to find it.

The closest mention to a primary source I could find is in Les Cloches du Pays de Bray, which reports that the inscription on the Flocques church bell reads "L'an mil vcxx Nicolas de Pardieu baron d'Escotignies et damoiselle Austreberthe de Pisseleu sa fame". That would confirm the Pardieu/Pisseleu marriage before 1520.

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Thanks Isabelle and John for your answers.Since I'm not pre-1500 certified, I would be happy to let you care about this, I'm afraid I'm not familiar at all with sources from this period.

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I connected the branch up as requested, Bernard, but I agree that a few more sources would seriously improve some of the 1500-1700 profiles in the line. The Pardieu family is covered in Deuxième registre du livre d'or de la noblesse but this book does not cite any sources at all, except in the preface. I wish I could find something better. Some indications are actually precise enough to lead to a primary source. 

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Nice job, Isabelle, thanks a lot!