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WikiTree profile: Pip Sheppard
closed with the note: Have a great week! See you next weekend!!
in The Tree House by Pip Sheppard G2G Astronaut (1.7m points)
closed by Pip Sheppard

Welcome, my fellow WikiChatterers, to another Weekend Chat! And greetings from Cathey’s Creek where the temperature plunged to 17°F Tuesday night after the front that pounded the north passed through. We get used to it pretty quickly, well... at least I do(!), and now we have set the interior temp at 66°F. One degree up and we’re sweating. One degree down and we’re putting sweatshirts on. Soon, it will be time to start moving plants from the back to the front, but that’s easy peasy compared to the previous tasks.

Once again posting a little early as we are leaving for Charleston today, but I will be checking in from time to time. Back on Sunday after attending a wedding and reception on Saturday. This is the wedding of the son of a colleague who worked in the same department as I before I retired. Our families remain close, and it will be great to see some old friends again.

On the Home Front: Paving actually started on our road, much to our shock. Monday, one lane was done from above us down to the highway. Then the temperature dropped and all work ceased. Now we have half a road in front of our house.

I’m saving up for my next kilt which I’ll probably order in May or June next year. The decision I have to make is do I get it in Farquharson (modern) or Macbeth (also modern). I have septs in both, and the wife doesn’t like the Macbeth as much as I do. I know which one SJ would pick. Do you think if I told her that “SJ said!” that this would work?

An important meeting was held up the hill at the mineral supplement factory with their environmentalists and such and two of the three neighbors that border them. This concerned the creek that divides the neighbors from the them. All seemed to go well, and everyone is trying to be good neighbors, especially the factory. Apparently, there are several grants for which we can apply, but we are concerned with our part of the “matching” monies required. We are hoping that the factory will pick up most of it (and we think they will as they have concerns about how the creek is damaging their lands). If this all works out, a conservation easement will be attached to our deed for several yards of land on our side. That won’t bother us, but we worry a little about how that will affect selling our home later.

All in all, we are pleased with how the meeting turned out, despite the information about all the gummit (“government” for all you non-Southerners) entities that will have to be involved. My Ulster-Scot ancestry reacts to this. We learned a long time ago not to trust them.

On the Genealogy Front: I almost came to a standstill this past week, genealogically speaking. I felt like I just needed a break from major WikiTree work. I still did my Greeter shift, and spent a couple of days working the Integrators’ Challenge. Aside from that, not much was accomplished, even though I have several families and projects I need to attend to. I have five veterans’ biographies in the hopper. I am hoping that the winter will give me more time to accomplish things I need to get done!

I hope all is will with you and yours. Jump in and have some fun. Let us know what’s going on. I’m looking forward to Dorothy’s “Today Is…” feature and Jelena’s historical anniversaries. Enjoy!

MacBeth kilt. Oooh. That is awesome. Should have gone for the Braveheart version and then paint your face in the colors. And then ride into battle!! =D
I've got no clue about kilts, but when you said Macbeth, all I could think of was Shakespeare, and the quote of "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." Wrong play, but I suspect you use that line on her, you'll get a reaction for certain... especially if she's not versed in Shakespeare.
I too am hoping winter will get me back on my genealogy track.   But I'm not ordering a kilt..... guess I haven't embraced  the McReynolds family line as I should  (they were in Scotland until about 1700, when they immigrated to Ireland for one generation).... but I don't think women wear kilts anyway.

@Peggy: but they do wear kilted skirts! Oh, and female bagpipers do wear kilts. Saw them in Charleston.

@Scott: Well versed, and I’d better not try that line on her! surprise

@Chris: Ride into WikiBattle to conquer brickwalls!!

Ditto to what everyone said on this introduction chat. 

Pip Thanks for hosting this WikiTree Weekend Chat.

Welcome everyone to the WikiTree Weekend Chat.

Thanks for hosting Pip!

by the way, how are there 19 answers but only 9 votes for this thread?  Don't forget to tip the author!
Pip is a Highlander. Good to know. Good indeed.....
Pip, hope you're having a fun weekend. You certainly deserve it with all of your hardest yard work done.

Did the Irish also wear kilts? So far, I don't know of any Scots in my lineage though my mother said we were part Scot. I also must confess that I detest the tartan plaid (green, navy, yellow, red) because it was used for our parochial school uniforms.

Diane, Wikipedia says,


Irish Defence Force pipers wearing saffron kilts

"Though the origins of the Irish kilt continue to be a subject of debate, current evidence suggests that kilts originated in the Scottish Highlands and Isles and were worn by Irish nationalists from at least 1890 onwards and then cemented from the early 1900s as a symbol of Gaelic identity.

A garment that has often been mistaken for kilts in early depictions is the Irish lein-croich, a long tunic traditionally made from solid colour cloth, with black, saffron and green. Solid coloured kilts were first adopted for use by Irish nationalists and thereafter by Irish regiments serving in the British Army, but they could often be seen in late 19th and early 20th century photos in Ireland especially at political and musical gatherings, as the kilt was re-adopted as a symbol of Gaelic nationalism in Ireland during this period.

Within the world of Irish dancing, boys' kilts have been largely abandoned, especially since the worldwide popularity of Riverdance and the revival and interest in Irish dancing generally."


Thanks for looking up and answering my question about Irish kilts Dale!
I may not always know the answer but I can usually find it.
Pip you deserve a rest.  Sometimes you just need to recharge those batteries!   Bunnies we are not!

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Good morning friends, hope this weekend chat finds you in good health.

 Cold temperatures are the order of the day here in Central Pennsylvania. We had a few snow flurries pass through the area this week, but no accumulation of any kind. It seems the cold and flu season is in full swing according to my visit to the doctor’s office for my annual check-up.

In working on the tree, I am still updating, expanding and editing on my large Baker line out of Rockingham County, Virginia. There was a lot of good work completed by profile managers in the past that is very helpful. It is great when you can find simple connections that can be made.

Also I reviewed my WikiTree goals that I had for 2019, and revising the list  for 2020. I do not know if it is just me, but I need written goals to stay focused and on track. Without them I am just lost.

Stay safe in all your travels this weekend, and turn the computer off and enjoy some quality time with family and friends.

I appreciate you all.

by Rodney Long G2G6 Pilot (346k points)
Good advice Rodney,

It's easy to forget to make time together  "quality".
Hi Peggy, hope you have a great weekend. Stay safe

Ditto to everyone and what they said on this chat.

Welcome everyone to the WikiTree Weekend Chat.

Hi Linda, hope you are having a good weekend

Rodney, I had not considered setting up a goals list, but I think I need to do it in the future. Right now, I feel like I've got too many hot irons and need more focus. Thanks for mentioning this smiley

Genealogy is a very easy subject to get pulled in one direction, then the other. Pretty soon you are going in all directions at once. I find that with my goals list, I stay more focused and it supplies the discipline that is needed to accomplish what you want. You have a good rest of the weekend Diane.
Hi Ridney. I did exactly that, turned the computer off and enjoyed time with the kids.
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Happy Weekend. We are going to try to see some of the migration up at Montezuma Wildlife Preserve, hope it is not frozen over. Going by way of Auburn, site of Crow Murders, they flock here in late fall/winter. Is it late fall?

We did buy the new refrigerator, suppose to only use 1/3 the energy. The comment about it being better to buy new when the old is still working, I realized was good advice. Delivery was 5 days. What would you do if you didn't have a working frig for 5 days? I know it won't last as long but how much time do you expect from a 30 year old one?

I was contacted by a cousin who saw some photos I had posted and she asked how I was related. Turns out it was her direct line. It was the line of a spouse of my mother's first cousin. I sent an invite and she accepted. I gave the line to her. Yea!
by Sue Hall G2G6 Pilot (122k points)
It's always makes my day when a new  "cousin" contacts me because of postings on the internet.     I've never been to the Montezuma Preserve,  but have spent a lot of time at Cheyenne Bottoms in Kansas.  It's impressive when the daylight sky darkens from a  flock of water fowl......   Enjoy the Wildlife Preserve.

Welcome everyone to the WikiTree Weekend Chat.

I agree Peggy! Cheyenne Bottoms is a great place to visit. Lots of birds and the landscape is impressive.

How wonderful that your relative contacted you! Since moving, I've lost contact with many of my first cousins.

I hope you enjoy your bird watching smiley

Montezuma Wildlife Preserve: had to look that one up, Sue. 

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Greetings and Best Wishes, WikiKin,

As in much of the United States, here in southeastern Michigan a blast of arctic air caused temperatures to crash to the twenties (about -2 to -6 C) and we got about eight inches (about 20 cm) of snow on Monday. The kids had a snow day on Tuesday. For the next week or so the temperatures will be topping out in the 38-41 range (3-5 C). 

On the genealogy front: The lull I've been in for sometime dissipated a little. In the interests of having a full ahnentafel list for my kids, I've started working on my wife's family again. I added all eight of my wife's great-grandparents. Adding anyone here always includes straightening out their profiles on FamilySearch too and updating my ancestry tree. I was happy to find Alison's maternal grandparents on the 1940 census at long last. 

Tip: If you can't find someone with a W surname, try it with an N. Also, past experience, a cursive F can look like T, and vice versa.

On the home front: Just four more days until I can add another (private) descendant profile. Definitely excited to meet our first daughter and officially take on the title of Father of Four. We're finally just about all recovered from our colds. I have a ton of work to do this weekend, illness really slowed us down.

by Thomas Fuller G2G6 Mach 6 (69.5k points)
also the computer loves to read a little "e" like a "c".
Is naming the baby a collaborative process??     Keep us up to date on the baby!
The name is already chosen. I guess you could say it was a collaboration with our ancestors as all the name components are recycled.

Ditto to everyone and what they said.

Welcome everyone to the WikiTree Weekend Chat.

Congrats Thomas!  We're 4 in the oven with 5 to go ourselves.
Congratulations to you too.
Thanks for the W/N tip! I just found a dude I'd been searching for with the last name of "Weed" thanks to you.
Thomas, congratulations on your first daughter. I bet your wife will enjoy dressing her in the cutest baby clothes!
Awesome Janelle. Mine was Weber as Neber. It didn't help that all four first names on the census record for that family were also  misspelled.
Can't wait to hear the news, Thomas. And the name!
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Hello from gorgeous southeastern Arizona where it's currently 45F going to a high of 72F today. Rain is forecast for Tuesday, then temps are supposed to drop. I got the plant fleece I ordered but haven't had time to put the autumn sage inside it yet, so I'm glad the lows won't reach 39F till next Friday morning! There are still a couple of hummingbirds who visit this plant daily. Some trees here are changing colors, and two are losing their leaves.

I attended last night's Town Council meeting, and I'm relieved I wasn't appointed to council. I only applied because I heard they didn't have anyone who was qualified. Now I'll have the time I need to devote to my writing and genealogy! laugh

Writing: The critique by my writing group only left me with a few bruises. Though we met on Tuesday, I haven't had time to review everyone's comments. One member found I'd misspelled a town's name at the very beginning. I was glad this error was caught! One member suggested that I include a family tree. I thought this was an excellent suggestion which leads me to:

WikiTree: While drafting a family tree, I noticed the errors in Margaret Hunt Matthew's profile. It had been merged, but not cleaned up. Margaret's birth was recorded as almost 50 years after her marriage and birth of her son. It also had her death occurring in Marlborough, New Hampshire which did not even exist at that time. Since this is a PRE-1700 profile, I hope I've done it correctly!

I adopted the children of General Rufus Putnam. I've added in-line sources for his daughter Abigail and her husband William Browning. Only one of her children had a profile, so I'm working on adding the other two who lived to adulthood. I created a Browning Family page and posted information found in the History of Marietta and Washington County. I've noted categories "Ohio Needs Profiles Created" on her children's profile because her grandchildren will need to be added, and I plan to work on Abigail's siblings next.

Well time for a shower. Have Friends of the Library meeting, then volunteering at the Senior Center. Looking forward to tonight's Open Mic Night.

Have a happy and safe weekend WikiTreers! laugh

by Diane Hildebrandt G2G6 Mach 4 (44.5k points)

Ditt to what Diane said on this chat.

Welcome everyone to the WikiTree Weekend Chat.

Good to hear that your writing group gave you good clear constructive feedback. Sounds like you've got a good team behind you.

I had to laugh because I only scanned through the first time and saw "I adopted the children" and jumped to conclusions. Good lesson to learn NOT to read snippets and make assumptions. LOL!

@Scott LOL! Even though neither of my grown children have provided me with a grandchild yet, I wouldn't want to adopt a child at my age! Grand kids would be nice as I could spoil them, then send them back. wink

The group's feedback can be difficult at times because they write different genres (sci-fi, horror, mystery). My novel is historical fiction, but it's based upon as many true facts as possible. It includes transcripts of actual letters.

Adding a family tree to the book is an excellent idea, Diane. I use them extensively when I read authors who include time, like Edward Rutherford.
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Today is... 



National Clean Out Your Refrigerator Day on November 15 encourages us to prepare for the upcoming holidays. Get together a soap and hot water filled bucket, disinfectant, a sponge and a garbage bag. Then you will be ready for the day!

With family gathering and a large turkey waiting to be roasted, cleaning out the refrigerator makes sense. Not only will we need room before the meals, but we also need space for all of the upcoming leftovers. Many dread this job. However, it is an important task none the less.

Due to our hectic and busy lifestyles, the cleaning of the refrigerator gets neglected. hence the creation of National Clean Out Your Refrigerator Day.  There may be a surprise or two found at the back of the shelves. Things are often pushed back as new food is put in the front and gets forgotten.

Sanitation Foundation (NSF) International found that the meat and vegetable drawers were the dirtiest spots in our kitchens – well with regards to causing disease.

However, those who clean their fridges more often tend to waste more food. There’s plenty of advice available on the frequency of fridge cleaning. Understanding food labels and the meanings behind “sell by” and “best by” dates are also important. These labels don’t necessarily mean a product has gone bad, but that the quality is best by the date on the label. However, “use by” leaves some of us wondering.

HOW TO OBSERVE Clean Out Your Refrigerator Day:

Some suggestions for your refrigeration cleaning are:

  • Empty each shelf.
  • Completely wipe down the inside of the refrigerator.
  • Wash drawers and underneath the drawers.
  • Throw away all expired food.
  • Throw away any moldy food.
  • Get rid of anything that you do not use.
  • Vacuum condenser coils.
  • Vacuum out under the refrigerator.
  • Restock shelves and drawers with good food.
  • Enjoy your nice, clean, organized refrigerator.

Use #CleanOutYourRefrigeratorDay to post on social media.


The home economists at Whirlpool Home Appliances created National Clean Out Your Refrigerator Day in 1999 to encourage people to clean out their refrigerator in advance of the upcoming holidays.  At that time, the company even had a toll-free hotline that people could call into for cleaning tips.

by Dorothy Barry G2G Astronaut (2m points)
Sort of did this when we got our new Frig on Wednesday.
Kind of did this when we got ready to leave on vacation on Monday. Short vacation, but you just don't leave stuff in there even for a short one.

Going to do that today when we have leftover beans, ham, and cornbread for lunch! yes laugh


Great reminder!   However,  my fridge broke less than a month ago.... and it's not really been restocked yet..... so I'm feeling pretty good about it's current condition.     However,  this time next year I'll need the reminder.
Peggy, We had an older large icebox and replaced it with a larger french door one a year ago that my wife said I will never fill this and now she says she could use a bigger icebox. The new one is stainless steel and hard to keep polished and clean!!

Ditto to what everyone said on this chat.

Welcome everyone to the WikiTree Weekend Chat.

I do need to completely toss out the old energy hog in the garage. We inherited it with the house, and it really needs to go. Since we're now empty nesters, I'm thinking we no longer need it. I wonder if the electric company still does that program where they dispose of unwanted energy hogs? Guess I need to contact them and ask...
I may try to celebrate a day late... our fridge could definitely use a cleanout!

Late on this, Dorothy, but it is something we need to do. Thanks for the reminder!

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Another Weekend has arrived!   Enjoy your trip Pip!

Weather;    Here in NW Georgia we also “enjoyed” the arctic blast, after it lingered in the Midwest.    There were records lows…. But having just moved here from the Midwest, it didn’t seem particularly low. It did zap some of the more sensitive plants like sweet potato vines and hostas.   We kept to our daily walks, since there was little wind. (Even though I haven’t unpacked my box of winter clothes.)

Genealogy:   It’s been great having my 1st cousin Iver using WikiTree.  He’s been working on a family cemetery near Subiaco, Arkansas.   I was delighted to find the maiden names of two women from the mid-1800s, both in this family cemetery.   Arkansas is a notoriously difficult state for genealogists, because of the sketchy information that was collected for marriage and death records.   (Give me Massachusetts anytime!)    Iver’s cemetery research and placing the graves in relationship to each other certainly helps support the records search.   Not really sure why I care so much about these people.

Home Front:   A “carpet man” put new carpet on the steps to the basement and stretched the carpet in 3 bedrooms.    Now we get to move the furniture back, but we have the full gambit of furniture sliders.  Things are becoming settled.  Maybe I’ll even start thinking of decorating for Christmas.   Outdoor projects are on hold until spring…. If I can figure out when spring starts around here.

Still happy with moving to Catoosa County, GA.  And it’s not just the improved weather, including few windy days.  Cost of services can be surprisingly low and our annual personal property tax has been cut in half. (Not to mention Georgia’s state income tax that really benefits retirees.)  The people are wonderfully friendly and helpful.   I’m a fan.  As Pip would say: “Welcome to the Blessed Realm.”

I’ll end with a great message from Keith Hathaway in 2017, not that people who tune into the Weekend Chat need a reminder…..





by Peggy McReynolds G2G6 Pilot (173k points)

Ditto to what Peggy said on this chat.

Welcome everyone to the WikiTree Weekend Chat.

Hi Peggy! We've decided that since we won't be seeing the kids this Christmas we will not be decorating much, mainly just the front porch. Tired of getting stuff out and hauling it back to the attic.
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Currently in Fort Erie, it's 2˚ C cloudy, and windy. We're already at our predicted high for today, which is kind of sad. The low tonight is predicted to be -8˚ C. We've already had a few days below freezing, and several centimetres of snow, so it's Long John Time from now until about May. (We usually get some snow around the beginning of November, but not the dump we got this week, so everyone's kind of in shock. Except for the staff at Canadian Tire, I'm guessing, where snow shovels are probably selling like hotcakes.)

This week, I officially admitted that there is no way that I can keep the lists of unconnected branches on the Let others know what locations you are working on page stocked by myself. I've been trying to keep five unconnected branches and two unconnected notables listed for every country/county/Länd/province/state/territory, and had been working up from the bottom of the list. By the time I got as far up as Rhode Island, I discovered that about half a dozen branches had been connected since I started that process, so I asked for help. Help! Help!

People have been asking my how the light of my life and the delight of my eyes is. I keep saying that she's wonderful, but people keep asking, as if that would ever change...

by Greg Slade G2G6 Pilot (303k points)
Good to know that some things never change.

Ditto to what everyone said on this chat/

Welcome everyone to the WikiTree Weekend Chat.

Whew Greg!!    It took me a minute to realize you were reporting the weather in Centigrade..... though you clearly labeled the temperatures.   I was about to recommend you move further south!  

Winter is definitely settling in.   Hope you enjoy a comfortable, warm weekend.
Hi there, Greg! We won't (probably) get snow until December, and it will remain cold here until April, just a little shorter than your season.Snow shovel ready!
+13 votes

On this day:

1889: In Brazil was declared the First Republic

1907: The plot leader to assassinate Adolf Hitler on 20 July 1944, Count of Stauffenberg was born

1945: Anni-Frid Lyngstad one of the members of the music group ABBA, was born. 

by Jelena Eckstädt G2G6 Pilot (344k points)

Welcome everyone to the WikiTree Weekend Chat.

Love ABBA! Happy, sing along music! Dancing Queen! Now I have to find the CD to play it.

As long as you don't find your CD, the video can help out smiley Did you know that song was written for the wedding of Carl XVI. Gustaf and Silvia? It premiered there. 

There is still a claimant to the Brazilian throne, Jelena, like so many European royalty.

The Abba birthday makes me feel sooo old. LOVED there music.
+13 votes

Hails and horns, Wikipeeps!

How is everyone? On the genealogy front, I posted a blog for #52Ancestors: Poor Man: https://allroadhaverhill.blogspot.com/2019/11/52-ancestors-week-46-poor-man.html

This week's blog wasn't much of a stretch. It was more a history lesson. Why did so many Italians leave Italy from the 1880s to the early 20th century. I touched on a few issues. There were more. But, I did it from the point of view of my great-grandfather, Giuseppe Carrabs.

On the DNA side of things, Ancestry updated the info yet again. 45% Italian. Rest is a mix of French and English. Still no surprises. Still gels with tree. Pretty awesome. 

American Ancestors had its free week and I checked it out. I didn't find anything new that I hadn't found already. It's still cool and you should definitely check it out. We have a few more days.

On the non genealogy front, we're getting ready for Thanksgiving here. Gonna be a fun time visiting my brother and his family. =D Usually is. Can't wait to see 'em. Hope everyone has a great weekend. Stay warm!

Oh and has anyone got the new Disney Plus? Heard some great things about it. I just have Netflix right now. I am debating between that and the CBS app because Star Trek: Picard will be on there.

by Chris Ferraiolo G2G6 Pilot (285k points)
I think one of the first things I will watch on Disney + will be X-Men: The Animated Series. That show was awesome! Then I will watch The Mandalorian. Apparently, there's a baby Yoda in it.
Second week in a row genealogy has invaded my webcomic: https://starbolts.blogspot.com/2019/11/starbolts-458-like-mother-like-father.html

I should talk to someone about that. =P
Chris that "baby" you refer to is 65 if I remember correctly!
Internet has already dubbed him "Baby Yoda". =P
Chris, Episode 2 is titled "The Child" and great power the child has.
I also stand corrected, The child is only 50 years old.
As long as it's better than the TNG episode of the same name. =)
8 episodes for the first season and it has already been renewed for season 2, they started filming in October. I read they had an 89% approval rating.
Great story and great pics, Chris (on the blog). and a fascinating story to go along with them.
Thanks, Pip! =D
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Today is a sad day for the Barry family, especially for my brother and his immediate family. Sometime between midnight and 1 am California time, I learned that his wife Sabrina had passed away. Unfortunately she was in a lot of pain and was not improving so it was not a total surprise. Our prayers go out to my brother Frank and Sabrina's families. 

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by Dorothy Barry G2G Astronaut (2m points)
=( So sorry. Condolences to you and yours.
Thank you Chris, Appreciate that.
She has such a warm smile.  My condolences too, and sorry your family has to experience her loss.    She'll be remembered in our prayers too.
Dorothy, so sorry for the loss of your brother Frank's wife Sabrina. Our thoughts and prayers!
Oh Dorothy, this is so sad. My condolences to your family.
Dorothy, sorry to read that.
Dorothy - my sympathies go out to you and your brother and his family. Even if it's somewhat expected, it's never easy to go through.

Ditto to what everyone said on this chat.

Welcome everyone to the WikiTree Weekend Chat.

Hugs, Dorothy. Words are never enough. Her inside beauty shines through her smile.
So sorry to hear of your family's loss, Dorothy. Please accept my sincerest condolences.
Oh Dorothy so sorry to see this.  I know how much family means to you and how you have worried about her and your brother because of her illness.   Heart felt sympathy and prayers for your whole family coming your way.
Thank  you everyone for your heartfelt comments. So appreciated during this period of time. I told my brother we all have been praying and will continue in the coming weeks. He has good and bad days but is making the necessary arrangements and has his immediate family and friends standing by. Again THANK YOU!!
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PIP of course you are going somewhere else ... blondes have fun, Pip has more fun than they do ... LOL 

MEMORY Lane -- You will agree half a road (one lane) is better than axle deep mud? I think so.  "Done that been there" and over a course of 40 miles or so and ... when you are trapped in a car on a detour after a flood and your deodorant dies and 38 of those miles are spent inside the car with a skunk (yourself) ... oh, those were the Good Old Days ... Not.   AND mind you, no way out of it, we were part of the Convoy set up by the HP of that State ... 40 miles at 5 mph ... had to hold it steady at that 5 mph, 4 mph and you risked getting stuck, 6 mph and you could spin out ... some did and were abandoned by the convoy (for the nonce) ... 

WEATHER here is dry, more dry is expected as dry as usual, predicted to be dry "tomorrow", ... and, well, coolish we could say, but not COLD compared to multiple other places east of the Rockies ... 

Everyone madly spun out removing leaves, leaves and more leaves from lawns etc last weekend, and during the week ... Old Yellow Leaf Man has come again ... carpets of leaves ... more and more naked branches crying out to the heavens ... well, an overly poetic image there ...  LOL but there they are, naked of leaves, pointing up at the heavens ... which is a sight better than having one break off in a high wind and clonking a car or house or blocking the street ... 

NO overhead wires it's all under ground which makes sense in a city that occasionally gets the Award for "City of Trees" ... 

GENEALOGICALLY I am beginning to appreciate the ease (LOL) of dealing with only 1700 or so on my Watch List (revisions, editing, adding info, etc) and can imagine all too well how I'd feel if it were 2500 or 3000 or ... I'd be having hysterics right about now ... it is taking forever!! Well, in my ignorance ... so now I'm applying the remedy of "the sweat of my brow" to this ... 

WHEN I READ what other parts of this country are experiencing, here in this Week End Chat, I am often amazed, or boggled, or ... sorry, envious even ... 

Youse guys is fabulous people 

by Susan Smith G2G6 Pilot (173k points)

Roads can be an adventure!!  Not just Highway Improvements but also when you forget to put GPS on "paved roads only".


Here's one such GPS route.... for about 15 miles.  Fortunately the road didn't just end.  

Enjoy your Weekend Susan.

Ditto to what everyone said on this chat.

Welcome everyone to the WikiTree Weekend Chat.

Considering the range of comments, Linda B., um ... you live amid chaos? LOL LOL 

PEGGY, I never did GPS ... I quit driving in 2002. The closest encounter I had with a GPS was the one that kept nagging my son about how he'd missed the turn and had to go back .... he was at the time trying to navigate a parking lot and find a way out of it, round and round, and filled with other vehicles doing the same thing.  He said a few unprintable things and turned it off. 

That's a lovely pix, Peggy, all the dirt roads I drove on were never in such good condition. I did find out that a VW Fastback can double as an all-terrain off-road vehicle. Yep. Not by choice but by necessity. Terrain looks similar to what you'd see in the Santa Cruz county area of hills in CA (coastal range) -- chin deep in dust in the summer and axle deep in mud in the winter ... 

My weekend so far is okay nothing has happened to require a phone call to emergency services which is how I like my weekends to go ... 

Memory lane story: hilarious, but I bet it wasn't for you!

When the last of our leaves fall, I crank up the mower and chew them up. No raking for me.
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I'm declaring this Flippancy Friday. Whenever I see a G2G post along the lines of "I need help finding my 4th great uncle 2 times removed" I have the strongest urge to ask if the poster has looked in the cemetery. Is there a typing equivalent to biting one's tongue?
by Chris Hampson G2G6 Pilot (101k points)

"Is there a typing equivalent to biting one's tongue?" The closest I have found is the delete key!! laugh I would vote for a Flippancy Friday Day. Have a good weekend, Chris!

Welcome everyone to the WikiTree Weekend Chat.

Chris, G2G gets clogged with those, and always will. Closest emoji as have for you is: cheeky. Need eon without the smile.

I dunno Chris ("2x removed"), when I see something like that I tend to think "So? Me and mine have been removed a lot more than that, MANY times in fact, just for Unruly Conduct."
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Not much happening here in either genealogy or at home. It got cold and we had major snow the first part of the week so not much was done by me except to shovel snow. I did do a little on WikiTree but nothing major. The major project on the home front took place this morning when the step son helped put a wall mount up and put the TV on it.
by Dale Byers G2G Astronaut (1.3m points)

So glad I have not had to shovel snow! I hope the TV wall install was a success. yes

David, TV mount is working better than even I expected. I went out to do a little more snow removal but we have watched a little TV today since the new mount was put up and we both like it better than the old stand that blocked the window and took up valuable floor space.

Ditto to what everyone said on this chat.

Welcome everyone to the WikiTree Weekend Chat.

So the snow finally got you to stay settled for a bit? About time, you whirlwind! Got my shovel out of the shed and put it in the garage in prep for our first snow which will probably not happen until December or January.
Pip, If by settled you mean going out shopping in the bad storm on Monday, digging out Tuesday, going to a meeting Wednesday night, running the step son around both Thursday and Friday because his car needed work, and then waiting up Friday night because one granddaughter was rushed to the ER then yes I "settled for a bit".
Those wall mounted bigguns are nice to have ... except when mounted wrongly and the wall comes does with it ... oh, the LANGUAGE that flows out of .... anyway, it was NEXT placed in his garage, the only room his wife would allow it considering what it had done to the front room wall -- it was 8x10 or something equally huge ... he had some couches out there and him and his buddies would watch soccer and other games
Susan, our TV is a 49 inch flat panel, not super big, and we made sure we got at least two lag bolts in the studs so it is not going anywhere anytime soon.
Dang, Dale! Do you ever get a break?
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Greetings from Everett, Washington!

On the Home Front: Today is the day I absolutely must remove everything from around the table, this computer that sits on the table, and the table itself preparatory to the guys coming in tomorrow to lay new carpeting.  Peggy McReynolds, distant cousin by marriage, I feel for you in your scrambling to move furniture for the carpet laying.  My great fear as always is of losing stuff.  Just about all my current genealogy files sit in this area.  What if my big Shields family binder leaps into a box and other stuff leaps on top of it, and I am reduced to working on another family while I am searching for the papers?

The Shields family is from Ireland in the 1600s.  If I had better skills in this area I would look for sources to fill in a sketchy ancestry of a certain 19th century U. S. Senator, James Shields, who is currently an island profile with no connections.  This is a question for Genealogy Help on G2G.

Pip, connecting Cleveland Indians Hall of Fame center fielder Earl Averill [[Averill-581]] was actually easier than connecting former Los Angeles Dodger Ron Fairly.  I found the entire Averill ancestry on a FamilySearch tree, then used the excellent source on the earliest ancestor, Job Averill, to fill in and reference the next three generations.  After that I used FamilySearch for the next four generations.  This Averill family is one of many families from the state of Maine that pioneered in Snohomish County.

Last night at the Mukilteo Historical Society meeting I did an overview of all the 2019 "Mukilteo Minutes" that I and my husband do as a warmup to the main speaker. More than one person asked me to do videos or audio of these brief lessons in local history for the website.  That has to come "when we have time."

More from the Home Front:  Today we take both dogs to the groomer for long overdue appointments. Also, my daughter has just gotten her copy of the Elder Scrolls cookbook and wants my help making a quiche.  It has very special ingredients that we will search for at a very special supermarket today.  Rye flour, a pepper called something like Crowns of Paradise, mace (substitute nutmeg if we can't get it?). Oh, and of course I need more gas in the car.

Inconsiderate young people tagged the Mukilteo lighthouse with graffiti that looked like words in Russian.  The city will clean it up.  This is the first time in memory that the lighthouse has been vandalized.  An incentive to keep community spirit and pride in our heritage through the Historical Society and our local media publicity.  

I would like the profiles I create to remain on Wikitree after I'm gone.  I have no close relatives who are interested in genealogy. I could direct the Wikitree team to take them over, but I would also like to give more distant cousins who are Wikitreers the chance to adopt them. How would I go about this?

All of you have an excellent late fall week.  Clouds and 40 degree temperatures and occasional cold rain are in this week's forecast.
by Margaret Summitt G2G6 Mach 7 (77.1k points)

Sad to hear about the lighthouse graffiti.crying  

I love nutmeg,  but will admit I've never used a recipe that calls for mace.....

Regarding moving your stuff around,  when I was younger I didn't recall a problem with finding things and I didn't make shopping lists.   At this age,  I seem to always be looking for a misplaced item....... but I say it's because I have more stuff wink.

Enjoy your Weekend Margaret,  I hope the dogs enjoy their grooming.


Wow - had to look that up. Mace appears to be essentially a version of nutmeg, so while Mace would be a better choice, nutmeg likely works well. And I was hoping it wasn't the self-defense variety mace - that could be a very bad mistake as I'm sure that stuff doesn't taste very good.

Ditto to what everyone said on this chat.

Welcome everyone to the WikiTree Weekend Chat.

Please change "tagged" to "vandalized."  This neo-modern word attempts to take away the shame of the intentional damage created and make it some sort of pseudo-art.  It is vandalism and should be always called so.</rant>
I've never cared for mace while I do like nutmeg. I've always substituted allspice for mace.
I have my computer back, hurrah!  The old carpeting was removed and the linoleum beneath was in good shape, so no new carpet was installed.

I made the quiche.  It had a crust made of rye and wheat flour, plus fennel, grains of paradise and dill.  It had a filling with eggs and cheese, tomatoes and garlic. I put it in the oven for an hour and after 20 minutes was a tremendous lightning storm and downpour that nearly knocked out our power.  The lightning struck less than a mile away. Then we went to Lynnwood to pick up the dogs from the groomers.  A traffic light had been knocked out on Highway 99 so that slowed us down.  After we picked up the dogs we came home and ate the quiche.  I had a quarter of it.  It was delicious.

At about half past midnight I was feeling a great discomfort in my digestive tract.  The quiche did not agree with me at all.  I don't know if it was the acidity of the tomatoes or the fiber in the rye flour or the lingering peppery effects of the grains of paradise.  It has got me to thinking about what I can stand to eat at my age.  I do not think I could endure a diet with lots of fiber or spices that make my insides pucker.
Margaret, not surprised that folks from Maine would move your way. Trees. That's why some of my folks in collateral lines moved to Washington State. Loggers and others needing work.
While nutmeg (the seed) and mace (the outer hull) are from te same plant, the taste is not identical.   Mace is often described as more peppery and more intense.  Nutmeg lasts longer in terms of shelf life.  When I was buying and selling spices mace was pricier than nutmeg.  But both are pricier than a lot of other spices.  Mace is what gives donuts their distinctive flavor.  Mace is used most often in baked goods but I have seen it used with meats as well.

Crowns of paradise is more commonly called Grains of Paradise.  Another pricey spice.  

There are a number of good online retailers who carry hard to find spices.  If you need some names let me know.
@Laura ; It's great we have a spice expert! One of your many talents.

@Margaret:   You've inspired me to make a quiche!   (I'll go easy on the spices.) Actually, my brother makes the best quiche in the family,  he's a vegetarian.   He doesn't write anything down but has told me the recipe..... if I can just remember it.

Until later.
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Greetings and Salutations, Fellow Wikitreers!

Well, vacation is over. Had fun going to Florence, Kentucky to make a trek from there to visit the Ark. Well, not The Ark, but at least a reasonable museum-style replica that's in those parts. It's a really big boat - they made it according to Biblical size, although I'd venture to say the machined bolts holding things in place were not around way back then. It was neat going inside, seeing the various presentations on what the makers of the Ark thought things might have been like way back when. Some of the best parts were the movies where they interviewed Noah and asked him all about why he chose to build a boat in the middle of the desert on top of a mountain. Fun stuff.

We also made a trek into Cincinnati, and I went on a quest to find good chili - and was shocked to find that for the most part, canned chili and fast food joints were the most common places to get it. I guess homemade is still #1, even in a place that is reportedly known for their chili. We have Skyline at home, so we ate at Gold Star and I'd give it a conservative 2.5 or 2.75 out of 5. Nothing to write home about, but it was OK. My wife tasted it (she's not a commercial chili fan at all) and after giving the same feedback (it's just "OK") is going to make me some real chili at home.

On the Genealogy front, I've fallen into a rabbit hole and will be here awhile. Someone asked for some assistance with the "Young" family in central Kentucky, and since then I've been digging up family members (not literally) that haven't seen the light of day in quite awhile. But I enjoy this type of genealogy, where I'm giving voice to those who haven't had it for awhile, and it's nice to dig and uncover new facts and be able to immediately use them - hopefully with the goal to find a new connection to the tree and a new set of cousins out there. We'll see.

The week ahead looks to be cold, but dry. So maybe we'll get enough sun to clear up the snow so that I can rake the back yard. Oh, and we came home just a little early and picked out a cat from the shelter. Cora immediately hid in the house and we haven't seen but glimpses of her since she came home and only know she's still there as the food disappears once in awhile. We'll give her some time to settle in as I'm sure it's traumatic to have your owner give you up, be stuck in a cage for a few weeks, then thrust into a brand new home that no matter how much I clean it probably still smells like other cats. And maybe a dog. Or possibly the ferret. Their sense of smell is so much better than ours. - Anyway, hope everyone has a great weekend and week ahead!
by Scott Fulkerson G2G6 Pilot (723k points)
Aww. Give your new kitty friend some time. She'll come around, eventually!


Glad you adopted from the shelter! Sounds like you're giving the Kitty the  "space" she needs.   We brought home a traumatized shelter dog that didn't make any sound for 3 months. (She was around 1 year old and had been in the shelter 4 months.)   She eventually learned to trust us and became a very devoted wonderful pet.   Your kitty is probably just trying to figure out the ferret smell.devil

Enjoy your homemade chili.

She's the only one in the house now, but that won't stop her looking I'm sure. And my wife said she came out for my son who stopped by, then vanished as soon as he left. Guess she likes him. It's so hard to know what they've experienced up to that point, and I'm willing to give her whatever time she needs to adjust. Won't stop me from walking into a room and meowing a few times or talking to her in a soft voice to see if she'll respond. I have tried looking in, under, and around things like a complex game of hide-and-seek, but when I find her I only wave and talk to her, then leave her where she is. We're 2-2 at the moment, so this next game will be the tiebreaker, which means I find her or I lose the round and I hate to lose - unless it's for a good cause. But if it means I lose the match and she feels safe, maybe it's all worth it.

Ditto to what everyone said on this chat.

Welcome everyone to the WikiTree Weekend Chat.

It's a good sign she's shown interest in your son.   Enjoy the adventure!
So be careful what you ask for.

Kitty has decided to come out of her shell a little. She joined us in bed over the last few nights, and proceeded to keep us up much of the night. I tried petting and talking to her, and she's got some sharp little claws so I had to triple blanket my legs and chest to keep from getting poked. I really didn't want to deter her from feeling safe, so I was hesitant to toss her out of the bed so we could sleep, so we had a restless weekend. On a positive note, she isn't running from us nearly as much and I think much of her nightly romps appear to be food related, or so I suspect. She's a very affectionate cat, but still nervous about open spaces where she has nowhere to hide. But it will take some time for us to get used to each other, and we're off to a good start.
I'm wanting to see the Ark. Maybe I can convince my Kentuckian wife to make a trek to her home state. She does, by the way, make excellent chili!
Scott I have several recipes for Cincinnati style chili.

Let me know if you want any.
+14 votes

Hello WikiTreers!

Friday evening here, the real start of the week-end. Today was my last day with my client in La Défense. Time to say goodbye and I will miss them - they were a real friendly bunch.

A small story from last week-end. There was a bit of sunshine on Sunday afternoon and I decided to take the train to Paris and take a walk in the Père-Lachaise cemetery. It was only the second time I was there (still remember my dismay when, more than 30 years ago, my penfriend announced that she wanted to visit it. Until then I had never thought of a cemetery as a tourist attraction).

So I happened to walk near the grave of a certain James Douglas Morrison, which is (far and away) the most visited grave in Père-Lachaise. Though it looks unremarkable, it is fenced off and you can't go near, though someone jumped the fence to touch the grave just when I was there. You can see pictures (taken by WikiTreer Elizabeth Winter) on the profile. What you can't see is one tree nearby, with its trunk wrapped in a sort of lattice, or mat, itself covered with pieces of used chewing-gum. So gross! Can you believe that? (just imagine what a field day Ancestry would have with all these DNA samples... though identifying the donors might be a problem).

Jim Morrison is not there, by the way, though his remains are under that grave, and in spite of the many people who visit it everyday. Just crank up Riders on the storm - that's where he is.

by Isabelle Martin G2G6 Pilot (320k points)

Ditto to what Isabelle said on this chat.

Welcome everyone to the WikiTree Weekend Chat.

Wow Isabelle,

I knew Jim Morrison died in Paris but always thought he was buried in the U.S.    I'm surprised his grave is still so popular in Europe.... though he was  a great "celebrity" of my era.  

Enjoy your weekend.

Yes, that grave is still very popular. It used to be covered in graffiti (the nearest graves as well) and generally look like a garbage dump. It's better now that it's fenced off. Probably not a pleasant thing for family members of people who happened to be buried nearby.
I figure that Jim's grave would be the most visited. What I didn't know is the fence, but I can understand why!
Yes, Pip; to have an idea of the problems it caused, just have a look at Wikimedia Commons for Jim's grave... Some of the pictures are spectacular. These days (mid-November, so not the height of the tourist season), on a Sunday afternoon, there are constantly at least 4-5 people behind the fence.
+11 votes

This is from last week.

Well I am back from helping my mom last night. My sister developed a sinus cold this past week and has spread to her husband and now as of today me also which we all needed. Especially since the take and get my daddy to dialysis on Monday, Wednesday and Fridays. My dad doesn't need to get sick with the flu or a cold with his problems. My dad keeps improving and during better but he does have bad and good days.

My mom was telling me today that probably when we get her stuff settled in her house that it probably be time to put her in an assisted living place. She said she been looking at places. But one problem is with the cost of things for my dad plus one is the sitters we have for him she said that they are not doing anything for him and I agree with her on that line. So she thinking about dropping the sitters because of that. She not happy about John Reed which is suppose to be faith based organization and she said even the sitters has told her that the workers steals the stuff we brought to be  used on daddy and use them on other patients there which they shouldn't and I told her that they should pay her for the stuff they steal to use on others.

So she said that she really will not be able to afford an assistance living place because of cost of taking care of him. But she does realize she needs to go to assistance living place now which I am very happy about.

I am going over to my sister house to watch Tennessee Volunteers play tonight. If they win the next 3 games they have a chance this year to be able to play in bowl game like they didn't get to play in a bowl game last year so they have improved a little this year.

Since I got this cold I didn't and won't go to church even tonight. Plus I am not going to see my dad and mother since my dad and mother doesn't need it especially my dad so my sister and I swapped going to see him since I went and saw him last Sunday since my sister was sick so now my sister is see him today and I am not. Tennessee Volunteers won last night so if the win the next one and the rest of the games they will be bowl eligible. Which is better than last year since they weren't last year. My sister said that my dad had a good day yesterday.

Happy Veterans Day.

Welcome everyone to the Veterans Day WikiTree Weekend Chat.

Pip thanks for hosting the WikiTree Weekend Chat.

Welcome everyone to the WikiTree Weekend Chat.

by Anonymous Barnett G2G6 Pilot (454k points)
+12 votes
Well I am better now. I here this early because I going tonight I think to help my mom and then tomorrow me and my sister going shopping to fix 2 Samaritan Purses Operation Christmas shoeboxes so we can take them Sunday to church because that is the last day to have them there and we also need to pack the shoe boxes tomorrow. Then on Sunday we will go to church on Sunday morning and night then in the afternoon see my mom and dad at John Reed especially since I haven't seen him last Sunday and my sister hadn't seen him since a couple of Sunday before then. My sister is also getting ready to fly out on Monday to Canada on business for the week. So I will have my weekend full this weekend. Then on Tuesday John Reed is having their Thanksgiving Dinner for their patients and family members. So my mom put my and my brothers name down for it not my sister since she going to be in Canada then and I will spend the night with my mom then come back home Wednesday morning.

My dad has had a good week this past week as I have heard.

Thanks Pip for hosting this WikiTree Weekend Chat.

Welcome everyone to the WikiTree Weekend Chat.
by Anonymous Barnett G2G6 Pilot (454k points)

Sounds like your already busy schedule is starting to fill up with Holiday activities.  Glad you're able to keep up with the Tennessee Volunteers.

I'm sure you're grateful for the good days and weeks your dad has.

Take care.

A cold can slow anyone down, Linda. The problem comes when there is stuff to do that just has to be done. Then you get worn down ever more.

We did to shoe boxes for our church to give to Operation Christmas Child. I think I heard that our little church did 25 all together.
+13 votes
Good evening,

On the home front it's been quite a calm week although mum just said: "Thanks God" when I reminded her that her alarm won't ring tomorrow morning. She has had her physiotherapy always quite early til now, now it's gonna get slightly later. But she really rarely goes to bed before midnight, so when her alarm calls it a night at 6.15am, that's early for her.

The weather is quite cold outside when you don't move too much, but once you get your body moving, it's getting ok. You can't go out anymore with quite thin clothes, but it hasn't yet been below freezing, at least in my area. That's where I say: "Thanks God", because I really really hate snow, ice and freezing temperatures.

On the family front I heard that one of my 2c2r in Serbia married several weeks ago. Her father told me that her husband is a football/soccer player, and I really found him on a website that specializes about football players. There I also found his birthdate. That was the "awkward moment"... oh well, so we have a new athlete in our tree.

I also heard that my grandaunt is now in an old people's home. She suffers from dementia and was up until a few weeks ago still living mainly with her daughter's family, and on the weekends she was with her son and his family, so that her daughter would have a bit spare time. But we all think that this is now a good decision.

On the genealogy front I collected some easy contributions by adding wikidata templates to Notable profiles and I worked a bit on the still unconnected Hindenburg-branch. But beside that I didn't do anything genealogy related where I would have to think too much.

Enjoy your weekend and stay safe and warm
by Jelena Eckstädt G2G6 Pilot (344k points)

Someday I'll try to study your posts to figure out why they're so charming.   Updates on your mum are anticipated.  You even make the weather entertaining.  (Unfortunately,  you have to leave your homeland to get away from the snow and ice.)

Sorry to hear about your great aunt's dementia..... hopefully, it's not alzheimers.
Alzheimer's  is one of hundreds forms of dementia. And dementia in general is the disease of forgetting. So she forgets stuff anyway, if it's Alzheimer's or not.

I know the feeling because of my dad has vascular dementia.

Ditto  to what everyone said on this chat.

Welcome everyone to the WikiTree Weekend Chat.

"didn't do anything genealogy related where I would have to think too much" I need some little projects like that!

Cyber hugs for anyone taking care of someone with any of the forms of dementia.   It can be maddening as one day that persona can be alert and with it and the next they have no idea who you are.  It is so hard on the family when people you depended on no longer know who you are.  Milder cases it is more like a lot of forgetful episodes but at least the person seems to still know family and friends.
+13 votes

Hi all.  Hope everyone is having a phenomenal weekend.

On the weather front, a bit of a cold snap, about 7 at night (about 44F) but the days are still nice at 22 (72) but sadly, swim season is finished.  At least the skies are blue (but that's usually the case in Spain).

On the family side: mother in law went home after a 6 week visit.  It was nice to have the help with the kids and to practice my Russian.  She reported that the pilot, upon landing in Moscow excitedly made the sincere announcement of unusually good weather: "Up to 5 degrees and light rain."  (41 degrees F).  We had an ultrasound last week and #3 looks healthy and strong.  The Mrs. is finally starting to show - I'd say the size of a cantelope laugh

On the WT front, seems these days most of my time is in Leader and/or Mentor work and not much genealogy.  I finally got around to a writeup for Doug Lockwood for a record he discovered some time ago that confirms a family legend.  I think I found this 3 or 4 weeks ago but was otherwise preoccupied.  You can read about it here:


I am hoping to finally get a crack at some ancestor profiles over the weekend...

by SJ Baty G2G6 Pilot (766k points)
Congratulations on number three!

Great news that baby #3 and mother are doing well! We are in the same boat as to getting any genealogy work done but I have managed to create a few profiles this week for the G2G Integrators Challenge. The weather here has been in the 20-degree range at night with highs in the 5o to 60-degree range with a bit of rain but no ice or snow so far. smiley

Ditto to what everyone said on this chat.

Welcome everyone to the WikiTree Weekend Chat.

I guess it's too early for a name for #3, huh? How about a Russian name since you're studying it! laugh

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