Earls of Strathearn

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Since the Declaration of Arbroath has been mentioned again, could somebody please have a blitz on Strathearn?

This one

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Strathearn-14

was the 6th Earl, not the 7th.  He didn't marry Joan Menteith-3 (PPP).  She married his son, the real 7th Earl, this one

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Strathearn-32

who is confused with his own son, Strathearn-49, currently connected as his brother.

The 7th Earl Strathearn-32 was never Earl of Orkney and Caithness, that was the son.

Most of his bio, and his wife Margery, and his daughter Isabella, all belong to his son.  Isabella's mother is correct.

His real 1st wife is unknown, so his real son Malise Strathearn-49 and his real daughter Mary have unknown mother.

Having got that far, there's a string of duplicates to merge:


Magnus Jonsson
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Orkney-1
= https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Gilchrist-271

wife (PS see John's note below)
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Kathrerine-1
= https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Caithness-40

alleged daughter (suspect fictitious)
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De%20Caithness-3
= https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Caithness-15

7th Earl
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Stratherne-2
= https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Strathearn-32

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Malise-3 (detach parents - theoretically they're his wife's) (PPP)
= https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Strathearn-32

8th Earl
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Malise-2
= https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Strathearn-49
 
Mary
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Strathearn-68
= https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Strathearn-51

husband
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Moray-7
= https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Moray-121

Maurice
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Moray-6 (lose wife Joan Stratherne-1, actually his daughter, next merge)
= https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Moray-50

(Daughter Joan Douglas-506 should lose both parents, and the CLN.  She could be the illegitimate daughter of Douglas-391)

Joan (husband is PPP)
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Stratherne-1 (detach parents)
= https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Moray-29


Left with these issues -

7th Earl married to "Isabella of Caithness" - looks like a just-so story made up to explain the descent of the title.

Maurice Moray-50 married to the same lady who married his grandfather.  Balfour Paul vol 8 thinks he probably wasn't Mary's son, but his father's son by an unknown previous wife.

http://www.archive.org/stream/scotspeeragefoun08paul#page/255/

WikiTree profile: Malise Strathearn
in Genealogy Help by RJ Horace G2G6 Pilot (511k points)
edited by RJ Horace

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RJ, thank you for the time and effort you've put into investigating these.  It is very appreciated.  If there's no objection, I'd like to have the Scotland Managed Profiles Team have a look at these profiles.  They don't appear to be Project Protected and I think they should be.
by Amy Gilpin G2G6 Mach 4 (48.7k points)
selected by Sarah Mason
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Thanks RJ for investigating these profiles.

An extra issue would seem to be that this merge should be changed to an LNAB of Unknown before the merge takes place, she appears to be Countess of Caithness only through marriage

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Kathrerine-1
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Caithness-40

I agree that Isabella of Caithness seems to be a story made up.
by John Atkinson G2G6 Pilot (378k points)
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Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I will deal with it this weekend.
by Mark Sutherland-Fisher G2G6 Mach 2 (20.1k points)
Thank you, Mark!

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