GEDmatch just acquired by Verogen...?

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FYI... when attempting to log into GEDmatch today, I was immediately met with this announcement: 

GEDmatch.Com Terms of Service and Privacy Policy 

Revised December 9, 2019 

As of December 9, 2019, GEDmatch is operated by Verogen, Inc. ("Verogen") following the acquisition by Verogen of the GEDmatch website. 

...a lengthy new TOS follows along with a requirement to agree to terms in order to log in.  

Verogen appears to be a forensic DNA company. 

Here is an eye opening article about the company.  

in The Tree House by Jana Shea G2G6 Mach 3 (35.6k points)
The options were either agree to the new terms of service and regain access to the site, or delete your data.

I've deleted mine for now. I can always re-upload in the future if I need to.
I have just deleted my account. How 'safe' is FamilyTreeDNA given they are also open to law enforcement.

As a EU user you must confirm options by GDPR law, there are 3 possibilities:

  • Transfer to Verogen approved by kit donor
  • Not Approved. Delete this kit.
  • Wait Until Later To Decide. Kit will be deleted 9 Dec 2020
I choose third option and waiting, but I thing it will be end of gedmatch service and connections to Wikitree.
It seems that they want to have unique DNA id for each person. Some sentences from Verogen press release:
  • ability to obtain an individual’s identification
  • provide a comprehensive human ID
I chose the option to delete my data and my account, however my assumption is that the company will keep the data and just tell me that it has been deleted.

indecision I think unless there is a risk that the dna data on gedmatch is going to be used by Verogen to build synthetic clones of us all in order to fulfill an evil agenda, I'll just leave my account and data as is. 

 

I feel the same way. I haven't committed any crimes. The government already has access to whatever they want on me and my family anyway (military family). In regards to identity theft, may the thieves have better luck with my identity than I have.  They sure won't find any money waiting on the other side of the theft. Maybe they can find out who my father is!  I will be staying with GEDMatch. Their service is too valuable to me for me to desert them now.

Suzanne, if you do care about your "military family", you may wish to read the letter that the Pentagon sent to members of the US Military. The Pentagon's leadership urges greater caution around the use of consumer DNA testing. The bottom line is that DNA testing (and GEDmatch in particular) creates real and serious risks to service members:

"Exposing sensitive genetic information to outside parties poses personal and operational risks to Service members"

Additionally, they note:

"Moreover, there is increased concern in the scientific community that outside parties are exploiting the use of genetic data for questionable purposes, including mass surveillance and the ability to track individuals without their authorization or awareness."

It should be noted that as a close family member testing, your test results would be a good proxy for theirs, providing a large quantity of genetic information and fully compromising their identities.

The letter can be read on TechDirt: 

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20191226/08214343631/pentagon-tells-military-members-to-steer-clear-consumer-dna-testing-kits.shtml

I have read their letter, thank you very much! Our tests pre-date that letter by three years. It was a done deal already.  Having donated two sons to the cause, yes, I use the term military family. What have *you* given?  Furthermore, I resent the **** out of your implication that I do not care about my family.  It was because of my family that the testing was done in the first place! Take your judgements elsewhere. Good-night!

Suzanne, you can see some additional perspectives on the military warning here:

https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/959911/pentagon-warns-personnel-not-use-store-bought-dna-test-kits?show=960112#c960112

including several interesting comments by SJ Baty.  This is one: "I can't help but wonder if the staff who passed this memo don't really understand the whole DNA testing industry and publicly available databases and that this memo (as many are in the military) is misguided and knee-jerk rather than well researched before publishing."

Thank you for sharing that link and comment, Julie.  I tend to think a great deal of this is "knee-jerk rather than well researched".  

Personally, I wonder what the fear mongers stand to gain in their pursuit of making genetic genealogy more complicated for the rest of us.

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+4 votes

I was on a couple days ago and had to click allow or not for sharing my information DNA with law enforcement. I had to make my choice before I could go any further. They also said they are going to upgrade for better user friendly

They also have this for questions: GEDmatch customers who have questions about the partnership or how their privacy is protected are encouraged to contactgedmatch@verogen.com.

This may help others to answer questions some may have.

by Lori Cook G2G6 Mach 3 (31.0k points)
edited by Lori Cook
If your stuff is not put out in public, then yes, law enforcement should have probable cause. But GEDmatch is a public database. Everyone knows this (as opposed to FTDNA, which opened its database to LE against its own Terms of Service and only told users after the fact, when users probably thought their data was privately held by FTDNA as steward and hidden from everybody except other living individuals interested in genealogy who match them). The police go on "fishing" expeditions when they issue a BOLO for a 6'8 guy, 300 pounds, Yankees hat. If you're that guy, you can stay in your house and they can't come in and find you based just on this. But if you walk around in public and they spot you, they have "searched" through the publically available people and identified you. And then if you are seening interacting with a known criminal, so then they follow you around and surreptitiously collect a coffee cup you drop, being careful to document the collection and the possibility of cross-contamination, and then if they match your DNA off the coffee cup to the DNA on a rape kit, then that's on you -- you shouldn't have left your house.

You can remove your GEDmatch kit if you're worried about LE being able to match your data. Or maybe you can opt out of LE matching -- I think it's still unknown how the setup of GEDmatch will change.

So I think most people have not expressed concern of LE being able to search "their stuff". The primary concerns I have seen voiced are: (1) about FTDNA, and how people thought their data was semi-private there, according to FTDNAs own ToS, and then FTDNA broke them and then only told people later, and (2) even on GEDmatch as a public database, your 2nd cousin can get arrested even if he never put DNA on GEDmatch. The fact that even some people who take significant steps to keep their privacy secure are esentially no longer private because of the huge number of DNA tests causes significant concern for a lot of people. They don't want to be the ones responsible for their second cousin getting arrested.

So long as they can only collect and test coffee cups one at a time, practicality says they have to be selective.

Question is, if there were some way of collecting and testing name-tagged coffee cups in bulk, would there be a constitutional limitation which says they couldn't?

How hard is it to get the addresses of all the 6'8 300 pound guys with Yankee hats?
But selective testing is exactly wht they're doing in these cases -- once a match to crime scene DNA is found in a database, and genealogy is conducted to determine a possible identity of the person who had some DNA at the crime scene, LE then still has to selectively go and surveil that person until they can collect DNA that could actually be admissible in court.

They can get public information about people fitting a description, i.e. 6'8, 300 pounds, Yankee hat, from talking to people or from public cameras, etc. There's nothing wrong with that. And if some of that information produces an address, there's also nothing wrong with that. This description may be specific enough to amount to reasonable suspicion. Even with that, you need the stronger probable cause to get a search warrant, so while LE can conduct all sorts of surveillance on the house, they cannot just walk in.

LE using GEDmatch, to me, seems like they are just getting much more precise public information, information that could amount to probable cause rather than just reasonable suspicion. And with probable cause, you can get a warrant.

It's pretty freaky though that the rights of other people, those without kits on GEDmatch, are affected by the actions of their distant cousins who put DNA on GEDmatch, often cousins they didn't even know existed. It's a new moral quandary: how do you balance the rights of these people with the rights of people to put their own DNA out in public, say for genealogical use. And this quandary isn't confined to LE -- it also affects the rights of sperm donors and birth parents with closed adoptions who expected complete privacy.
Barry,

If my second cousin is murdering or raping people, I will happily contribute to his getting arrested.  People turn in their relatives for committing crimes quite often, don't they?  And isn't that a moral responsibility?

You talk about balancing rights and mention sperm donors and birth parents with closed adoptions, but in those cases there is also a case to be made for the rights of the adoptees to know their own history.  WikiTree's Adoption Angels even help with such cases, don't they?

In a country with such a strong emphasis on individual rights as the United States, surely I have (and should have) the right to put my own DNA out in public.
Yes, you do have that right. My comment was in response to RJ, not just a general throw-out comment. He was saying specifically that the problem with LE access to GEDmatch is that they shouldn't have access to your data. I said that uploaders are making their data public, so that's not the problem. What most people take issue with, of those who take issue, are those tangentially affected -- 2nd cousins, and the like, whether they are accused of crimes as a result or whether a closed adoption is opened as a result. Surely adoptees have rights. But that would have gone too far afield of responding to RJ.

Nobody in this world has a problem with rapists being arrested. It is the people falsely arrested that give some people pause. I think allowing LE access to GEDmatch does more good than harm, so I'm not worried about this. But I understand why some people are.

On the earlier reference to the NY Times article: the article specifically states that the (bragging?) LE officer would not share the warrant, so that means we don't know how specific it was. 

While I have no evidence to support my theory, based on my general knowledge of warrantry & forensic DNA, I suspect the warrant was to bypass all LE Opt-outs to search for matches on a specific DNA sample. Is the bypass a concern? Absolutely, for those who opt out. Would that situation/warrant equal a free-for-all where everybody's "stuff" is on display? No. Only matches would be displayed.

Personally, I don't mind the precedent, because I'm in favor of legit warrants (not any LE officer, just those with court warrants) being able to bypass normal consumer privacy protections. Just because I don't want my address in the phone book doesn't mean I should be immune from LE finding out where I live. IMHO, if you don't think LE should be able to find your address, go live in a place with no LE (and good luck and stay safe) or no addresses, like a forest (again, good luck and be safe). 

RJ, I know you feel differently. That's OK.

LE using GEDmatch, to me, seems like they are just getting much more precise public information, information that could amount to probable cause rather than just reasonable suspicion. And with probable cause, you can get a warrant.

But what did they have to say to get the warrant from the Florida judge, when presumably they didn't have a suspect in the frame?  Can you have probable cause without a suspect?  If so, what use is the Fourth Amendment?

If my second cousin is murdering or raping people

Nothing restricts anything to violent crimes.  When it's cheap enough, they'll use DNA to catch people who drop coffee cups.

RJ, 

Judy Russell ("The Legal Genealogist") wrote about the warrant, and what we don't know, November 17 and as far as I've seen, there is no update.  From what she did say, it seems to me that law enforcement did have a suspect in mind.

https://www.legalgenealogist.com/2019/11/17/more-on-that-warrant/

As for your second point, really?  You're smarter than that.

+17 votes
Roberta Estes has posted about this in her blog "DNA Explained" today (dated December 10).

https://dna-explained.com
by Living Kelts G2G6 Pilot (550k points)
Yes, she did and it is a very calm look at something I think Curtis and John (and their team) look forward to. Having some cash to help them make improvements to the site.

This may not be a bad thing at all. Early days, so watch and wait and please don't do anything rash. It sounds like GEDmatch is getting a cash infusion. Keep an eye on the Changes and if you are uncomfortable with it? Make a change.

Mags
I agree with Mags. I'm going to wait and see.
+17 votes
I have not looked yet to see what all their messages say, but I really don't understand all the hullabaloo about privacy.  If law enforcement services are able to harness DNA to help solve crimes and arrest the guilty while clearing the innocent, I happen to think that's just great.  I fail to see how that activity could be damaging to me by any sort of privacy violation.
by Gaile Connolly G2G Astronaut (1.2m points)
Gaile, I'm with you.  If someone related to me (even remotely) has broken the law, I am fine with law enforcement using my DNA and my family tree to catch the person.

Gaile & Darlene, I'm certainly not going to disagree that it would be great for the guilty to face their consequences and for the innocent to be 'cleared' . However your statements, while noble and altruistic, are also somewhat naive. Underpinning your position is a faulty belief that the police, prosecutors and people in power in general are all good people and are always doing only what is best for the common good. As someone who has had clearly different life experiences than yours and has seen first-hand the old adage that 'power corrupts-absolute power corrupts absolutely' come to life....I understand 100% what the hullabaloo about privacy is all about.

but, Nick, can you give me an example of how someone might find a way to do something bad to me from having access to my DNA?

Hey Gaile & Darlene! I'm not opposed to sharing data with law enforcement either - it will really help make a case sometimes :-) I think you are seeing the ability to help law enforcement as the same as having to share your data for every purpose, and I believe that is where the crux is.

Here in the Netherlands we have certain cases in which ~100-5000 people are DNA-tested for a very specific purpose, targeted around one specific case, on court order, when there is no more option. The US however, is making the use of DNA evidence as a tool much "easier". While this is currently used for the very bad crime cases, there is no way of telling in which way your dna will be used to solve which court case. That in itself is a terrible idea, as it allows for the creation of a sliding slope: maybe, in 10 years, your dna will be used to identify who stole a car or a bike, and maybe in more years your dna will be used to identify dissidents. That is what China is doing already.

Not having the control over their data is what scares people away from DNA testing. Whereas most people who have already tested their DNA are not very privacy-driven, most people who have not yet tested their DNA but are interested will have such privacy concerns (otherwise they would have already tested!). Allowing federal access to commercial dna databases like gedmatch really means a loss in the number of potential dna matches: because of privacy concerns, less people will test their dna, which means you will get less matches.

That being said, no government in the world are saints. Not in the Netherlands, not in China, and also not in the United States. I will not share any opinion on current or past events caused by the US government or Dutch government, but I think we can all agree that in whatever perspective you hold, each government has had some eeeh "issues" over time. You're never certain what government will come next, and what measures they will take in 10 years: people in power aren't all good, which means that the only thing we can do is to create an environment in which the society in the near future won't be able to excessively abuse certain powers with ease.

It might be a good idea to have a separate database for uploading your own biological data, free for the government to analyse, but by converting a "hobby" genealogy company to such a federal biological database, many genealogists will be scared away: you never know whether it might happen to other databases and companies as well. As a result, this conversion will probably have killed a lot of genetic genealogy.

Yeah--what Willem saidlaugh

Gaile, all I know is that sometimes the people in power got there by being wolves and that “There is Truth in the Old Saying, That if you make yourself a Sheep, the Wolves will eat you.” 

The line for the government tracking chip embeds starts right over there.....even though it will help solve crimes....I won't be in that line.

+6 votes
Didn't they say they were just doing it for a hobby, to help genealogists?

On which basis they've had loads of data given to them free, with no hint that they were going to sell it?
by Living Horace G2G6 Pilot (634k points)
I've been wondering since this news broke just how much of this move by the GedMatch creators' was driven by how badly they have been beaten up on since the news that LE discovered how to use the database to break cold-case mysteries. A situation of which they were not at fault.

Hopefully the impact of this will be similar to that which happened when Ancestry.com acquired Find A Grave, much ado but little to no change.
+8 votes

I'm very glad that gedmatch has been acquired by Verogen. This way it will be immediately clear to many that it's not advisable to upload there - whereas it was somewhat shady before. It is now clear that gedmatch is nothing more but a privately owned forensic tool - and no longer a genealogy tool.

As most other Dutch people have done (from what I could gather from Facebook groups), I have removed my results from gedmatch in an earlier stage - when they started modifying their usage agreements without notice and started sharing data without consent. It showed to me that the companies' values cannot be trusted. In the other post by JN Murphy, some text regarding the decision is shown. Gedmatch thinks Verogen will allow the company to keep "true to our roots", which I think is an interesting statement in itself: Gedmatch wasn't made for law enforcement... Yet being acquired by a forensic company allows you to stay true to your roots? Even if privacy rights remain the same right now, history has shown me that the company is willing to move towards less and less privacy-oriented paths.

I am fine with sharing my dna data for specific causes - like for instance sharing DNA in the case of Nicky Verstappen - but having a foreign government be allowed to access this dna data without any form of case-by-case permission is just not a good idea. In a general sense, this is probably just the start of a sliding slope. Once the legal foundations to acquire dna from civilians at private companies are there, I don't want my data to end up in some database used for face reconstruction or analysed for certain "genetic traits" in the near to far future. Given the fact that the US stance to privacy rights is quite lax, I don't expect much from US court in preventing access to dna databases.

That being said, I think it's sad to see Gedmatch go further down the forensic genetics path. It was a useful tool in genetic genealogy as a hobbyism, and I hope one day a new tool will be launched in a different country, focussing more on protection of civilians :-).

by Willem Vermeulen G2G6 Mach 3 (34.4k points)
+14 votes

Just to put this in perspective.  

The new terms and conditions clearly state they are honoring your decisions to either opt in or opt out of law enforcement matching.  

They do say unless there is a subpoena.  .Any lab, any matching service served with a subpoena will be legally required to comply.  Most subpoenas issued will not be for the entire database but for a specific target.  

https://litigation.findlaw.com/going-to-court/what-is-a-subpoena.html#:~:targetText=In%20most%20instances%2C%20a%20subpoena,by%20an%20administrative%20law%20judge.but

Can a lab fight a subpoena?  Any one can but you must show a valid reason.  https://www.legal.io/guide/551c5766777777655d180000/How-to-Respond-to-a-Third-Party-Subpoena-for-Documents#:~:targetText=Providing%20objections%20suspends%20your%20obligation,served%20you%20with%20the%20subpoena.&targetText=If%20you%20do%20not%20wish,set%20forth%20on%20the%20subpoena. 

Please read the terms and conditions.  Then go read the same for Ancestry, FTDNA, 23 and me,My Heritage etc.  I think that people are assuming other labs do not comply but I think you should read their terms and conditions before jumping to that conclusion.  

Just a side note..  if you are worried about this then get rid of your cell phone, your internet access, any social media because all of those are subject to subpoena too.  

by Laura Bozzay G2G6 Pilot (833k points)
The easy way to protect data from subpoenas is to encrypt it with a password known only to the data subject.

This is where European data protection has taken a step forward.  The principle is established that just having access to data doesn't mean you can do what you like with it - you still need the data subject's permission for the use you make of it.

This means data subjects don't have to rely on security and secrecy - their data can be out there, and they still have legal protection from unauthorized use of it.

Doesn't apply to law enforcement, but I think it will. Because those guys aren't noted for a sense of proportion, and don't know when to stop.  But encryption can sidestep the question anyway.

 Any lab, any matching service served with a subpoena will be legally required to comply.

The issue with GEDmatch is that, by all accounts, they explicitly chose not to fight that request, not even to legally delay.

GEDmatch was required "to provide the requested data to Detective Michael Fields within 20 business days" according to the warrant. Hence, Curtis Rogers had 26 to 28 days to respond. And he has not contested the accuracy of the New York Times' reporting. So on the balance of probabilities, and given widely acknowledged proclivities (e.g. "the GEDmatch operators are very much in favor of police use of their database and have actively encouraged their users to allow it"), I'm about 99% certain that they did not present one iota of resistance, but rather saw this as an opportunity to cooperate further with law enforcement and as an excuse to ignore the issue of user consent. 

There was, having read the warrant, room to challenge the assertions of law enforcement, as the warrant does contain false information. Yet Curtis Rogers chose to comply without resistance or any action to protect GEDmatch users. So we now come to this statement:

You stated elsewhere that

GedMatch is no worse than other companies when faced with a subpoena.

You're very wrong here, Laura. 

I think that people are assuming other labs do not comply but I think you should read their terms and conditions before jumping to that conclusion. 

Yes, they comply with the law insofar as they are obliged to comply. However, because police sometimes rely on false or misleading statements as in the situation with the GEDmatch warrant, those warrants can be successfully fought. The police are not always honest. And warrants are filed by one side without adequate advocacy for privacy. Hence they can often be challenged. Other companies have chosen to resist police data requests in the courts and been successful in doing so

From 23andMe's November 2019 response to the GEDmatch warrant news:

[...] Perhaps just as disturbing is GEDmatch’s apparent lack of scrutiny and challenge of the validity of the warrant issued. According to reporting by the New York Times, the company opened up its database to law enforcement within 24 hours of the judge’s decision. Given this timing, it does not appear that GEDmatch exhausted all legal avenues to challenge the warrant. In contrast, if we had received a warrant, we would use every legal remedy possible.[...]

In our 13 year history, 23andMe has never turned over any customer data to law enforcement or any other government agency. Protecting the security and privacy of our customers’ information is at the core of what we do as a business. Unfortunately, not all businesses adhere to these same principles. That is in part why we warn our customers about uploading their genetic data to third-party, public websites like GEDmatch.

https://blog.23andme.com/news/our-stance-on-protecting-customers-data/

And earlier in a 2016 post:

Since our founding a decade ago, 23andMe has only received requests from law enforcement for information regarding five of our more than 1.2 million customers.

In each of these cases, 23andMe successfully resisted the request and protected our customers’ data from release to law enforcement.

https://blog.23andme.com/23andme-and-you/23andprivacy-your-data-law-enforcement/

What about Ancestry DNA?

[...] Following the issuance of the search warrant, GEDmatch opened its database of nearly one million users — beyond those who had consented to such access — within 24 hours. Ancestry believes that GEDmatch could have done more to protect the privacy of its users, by pushing back on the warrant or even challenging it in court. Their failure to do so is highly irresponsible, and deeply concerning to all of us here at Ancestry. GEDmatch’s actions stand in stark contrast to our values and commitment to our customers. 

We want to be clear – protecting our customers’ privacy and being good stewards of their data is our highest priority. Not only will we not share customer information with law enforcement unless compelled to by valid legal process, such as a court order or search warrant, we will also always advocate for our customers’ privacy and seek to narrow the scope of any compelled disclosure, or even eliminate it entirely. You can find more information on our privacy philosophy here. 

https://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2019/11/08/your-privacy-is-our-top-priority/

So we have demonstrated that 23andMe and Ancestry have both taken active measures in order to only comply in the most limited scope possible, or to have the scope reduced to zero. GEDmatch does the opposite. They did not fight the warrant; they immediately caved; they gave the police full access. Therefore, GEDmatch is objectively worse at respecting and guarding customer privacy and yes, "worse when faced with a subpoena" to borrow your words. 

GEDmatch also had the option to sell their company to others, outside of the United States, thereby providing it with the safeguard of being in jurisdiction with greater legal protections for individual data privacy. There wasn't anything preventing this from happening. But they very intentionally chose an American, FBI-approved, FBI-collaborating DNA forensics company as their choice of partner. 

Verogen has been quoted in several places as saying they will resist complying with warrants, e.g.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-owner-consumer-dna-database-gedmatch-vows-fight-police-search-n1099091
+2 votes

The founder of Gedmatch sent out an email, which I think is important to share with people that are considering Gedmatch.  I think a bunch of people made up their own ideas about the takeover and started a scare tactic.  I am looking forward to what Gedmatch will develop with the influx of new money.  Here's the email:

To GEDmatch users,

As you may know, on December 9 we shared the news that GEDmatch has been purchased by Verogen, Inc., a forensic genomics company whose focus is human ID. This sale took place only because I know it is a big step forward for GEDmatch, its users, and the genetic genealogical community. Since the announcement, there has been speculation about a number of things, much of it unfounded.

There has been concern that law enforcement will have greater access to GEDmatch user information. The opposite is true. Verogen has firmly and repeatedly stated that it will fight all unauthorized law enforcement use and any warrants that may be issued. This is a stronger position than GEDmatch was previously able to implement.

There has been concern that Verogen will eliminate GEDmatch free tools and raise Tier 1 rates. In fact, Verogen has made it clear that the free tools will remain, and there are no immediate plans to raise Tier 1 rates.

It has been reported on social media that there is a mass exodus of kits from the GEDmatch database. There has been a temporary drop in the database size only because privacy policies in place in the various countries where our users reside require citizens to specifically approve the transfer of their data to Verogen. As users grant permission, that data will again be visible on the site. We are proactively reaching out to these users to encourage them to consent to the transfer.

The sale to Verogen will be a tremendous benefit to genealogists. Verogen has pledged to continue the GEDmatch philosophy of providing free services. It recognizes that all information belongs to the users who have placed it on GEDmatch, that this information may be removed by the users at any time, and that strong privacy protections need to be in place. It is to Verogen's advantage to build the consumer database, meaning more and better matches for users. Verogen recognizes that law enforcement use of genetic genealogy is here to stay and is in a better position to prevent abuses and protect privacy than GEDmatch ever could have done on its own.

Bottom line: I am thrilled that the ideal company has purchased GEDmatch. The baby I created will now mature for the benefit of all involved. If anyone has any doubts, I may be reached at gedmatch@gmail.com. I will do my best to personally respond to all concerns.

Curtis Rogers
GEDmatch

by Darlene Athey-Hill G2G6 Pilot (540k points)

Kitty Cooper discusses Gedmatch in her latest blog.  Good reading:  http://blog.kittycooper.com/

We are proactively reaching out to these users to encourage them to consent to the transfer

I also received that, and am in a Country that would I think require a specific opt in to transfer personal data ( in EU at least, at present) I haven't yet had any other messages.

Helen, have you contacted Gedmatch about your issue?  GEDmatch@Gmail.com

Not really an issue at the moment, it just seemed odd that they say they are being proactive but no message yet.
Have you already logged in and accepted the new TOS?

BTW, it's important for ALL users to log in and accept the new TOS if you're happy to continue, even some US customers who may not have IP addresses stored with their account.
Update

Have received a message from Brett Williams of Verogen . ( can't c and p on a phone)  All kits originating from the EU have been removed from the data base to comply with GDPR; pending acceptance of terms.

To be honest, I probably won't bother. I've always been iffy about the open email address. The only matches that I've been able to verify are from very close cousins ( but  we'd already substanciated that on  23 and me) .All the rest are too distant .They are mostly  from the US  and  the kit owners don't have a detailed enough paper trail to cross the Atlantic.
+5 votes

If you deleted your DNA at GEDmatch then please also remove your GEDmatch ID from WikiTree.  Otherwise people get error messages.

I don't recommend deleting your DNA at GEDmatch because as Ann Turner pointed out: "Verogen has been quoted in several places as saying they will resist complying with warrants, e.g.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-owner-consumer-dna-database-gedmatch-vows-fight-police-search-n1099091 "

Thanks and sincerely, Peter
by Peter Roberts G2G6 Pilot (705k points)

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