New Netherland and Dutch Roots consultation regarding LNAB [closed]

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Lijsbeth was baptized in the Netherlands, emigrated to New Netherland as an adolescent, and was married in New Netherland at age 32 (yes, that seems old for a woman's first marriage in 1680).

There are 5 profiles for her, all with different versions of her name (all PPPed to minimize ill-considered merges and renames) that need to be merged. Because she bridges the boundary between Dutch Roots and New Netherland, and some of her recorded names are a bit peculiar, I am asking for project consultation before correcting her LNAB and merging.

Unsurprisingly, her Netherlands baptism record names her father with a patronymic (he is Aart Sijmonsz) and does not include a last name for her. The record of her marriage in New Netherland gives her name as "Lijsbeth Aards vander Hard," in which Aards is her patronymic and "vander Hard" is also part of her name (not her place of origin, as her place of origin is given in that same record as Nieukoop, Holland). All known subsequent records for her consistently show her with a surname (other spellings are van der Hard, van Hert, and Vanderhorst), sometimes in combination with a patronymic.

The New Netherland Settlers Project naming convention for the LNAB suggests that the name on marriage record (in this case that would be van der Hard) should be the LNAB, but Dutch convention would indicate that her LNAB is Aards and van der Hard is her current last name. This is a request for other perspectives on this topic, particular from Dutch Roots. (I have an opinion, but I will refrain from providing it for now...)

WikiTree profile: Lysbeth Aarts de Hart
closed with the note: I revised the LNAB
in Genealogy Help by Ellen Smith G2G Astronaut (1.2m points)
closed by Ellen Smith

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I think it would probably be best to use the marriage record last name in this case, mostly because it makes the chances of generating new duplicates significantly smaller. Normally I would be pro "Dutch Roots" guidelines, but I think it would be the least confusing way of adding this person for the people who actually work on the profile.

Im curious about other opinions to, so I'll stay tuned.

However, I also think that it will be important to add more research to the profile: right now; it doesnt explain why the baptism matches the person who went to the US!
by Willem Vermeulen G2G6 Mach 3 (31.8k points)

Thanks for weighing in, Willem.

I cannot speak authoritatively for the person(s) who associated that baptism record with this woman, but the identification makes sense to me. At her marriage, Lijsbeth Aards vander Hard was said to be from Nieukoop. This baptism record from Nieukoop is of a girl named Lijsbeth with a father named Aart and a mother named Geertge. Not only did the Lijsbeth who married in New York have the patronymic Aards, but her first daughter was Geertje and second son was Aert.

Not solid proof, but a reasonable basis for inferring a relationship. If there is evidence for the origins of the brother called Simon De Hart, that would add support. I see that Lijsbeth and Simon witnessed baptisms for one another's children -- another reasonable basis for inferring a family relationship.

Four baptism index records for children of Aart Sijmensz/Sijmonsz and Geertge(n) Stoffels(dr) can be found in the Leiden archive, among which a 1640 one for a Sijmen and a 1643 one for a Sijmon. Probably first one died young and second one could be the claimed older brother of Lijsbeth.

I could not find any reference to name part Hard/Hart, so that could be adopted later, in Nieuw Nederland.

Thanks for that info regarding the baptism records, Jan. That definitely supports the identification of Lijsbeth as the child whose baptism record is listed on the profile. There is good opportunity to add some good information to the surviving profile -- after the 5 profiles are merged.

It is hardly surprising that the van der Hard or de Hart name first appears in New Netherland -- the adoption of a surname after arrival in New Netherland is a pattern we see fairly often.

My own inclination in this case was to use Aards as the LNAB, since it is clear that this was her patronymic. This would not be an instance where we would be imputing a last name for a person who was never recorded with a patronymic name (the reason for the policy of not imputing patronymics for New Netherlanders is to avoid making up names that the person never used).


I think it was decided some years ago to apply the New Netherland Settler's naming conventions for settlers born in the Netherlands. So, as you said initially that would mean LNAB should be set to van der Hard.

Note that Dutch Roots would set LNAB to just Aarts, as there is no evidence of Hart/Hard in any Dutch record.

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