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Catherine (Baillon) de Baillon (abt. 1645 - 1688)

Catherine de Baillon formerly Baillon
Born about in Les Layes, Île-de-France, Francemap
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Wife of — married 12 Nov 1669 in Québec (Notre-Dame de Québec), Canada, Nouvelle-Francemap
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Died at about age 43 in Rivière-Ouelle, Canada, Nouvelle-Francemap
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Biography

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Catherine (Baillon) de Baillon migrated from France to New France.
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Catherine de Baillon was a noble French immigrant to New France. She was born about 1645 in Les Layes, (today Essarts-le-Roi), Île-de-France, France; the daughter of Alphonse Baillon, (Squire and Lord of the Mascotterie) and Louise de Marle.

  • Catherine is the name she uses on her marriage record and most other records where she is present. The addition of the name Marie was a very common occurrence in this era, done by the clergy, not necessarily justifiably. The only record associated directly to her (not her childrens' baptisms and marriages) that uses Marie is her burial record.[1] Most scholarly works about her use "Catherine".
  • de Baillon Authors such as Ouimet and Mauger, and Côté and Seni, have made it clear that Catherine, her siblings, and her other relatives normally signed their names using de Baillon. The first available record we have for her in the new world, her 19 Oct 1669 marriage contract signed before Notary Pierre Duquet, has her signature and she signed her name Catherine de Baillon. (See the digitally enhanced signature from ANQ microfilm reel no. 1710 in Images.) Even the Royal Connection Research Association has decided to use de Baillon.[2]

Catherine de Baillon was among the Filles du Roi, a group of women ordered by the King to be recruited and sent to New France to marry the colony's settlers. She was one of the few Filles du Roi who had noble ancestry. She is the genealogical link between many French Canadians and royal ancestors, including Charlemagne. Catherine being from a noble French family was unusual among the Filles du Roi. Although her father was dead, she still had her mother, her tutors and a brother well-placed at court in France. Although not rich, she still brought a dowry of 1000 livres.

Raymond Ouimet and Nicole Mauger in their book on Catherine de Baillon proposed one plausible explanation.

  • Accounts from the era suggest she was put aboard ship against her will, possibly after having been locked up at La Salpêtrière in Paris. (The Pitié-Salpêtrière Hospital was the dumping grounds for women who received the dreaded diagnosis of "hysterical" and also for orphans.)[3] It was also used by noble families who had a daughter who was an embarasment in some way to put them out of circulation.[4] Despite her dowry and nobility, none of the 12 bachelor gentry of Québec approached her. It would appear that a bad reputation had preceded her to New France."[5]
  • Catherine's brother, Antoine, was equerry to Gaston Henry de Bourbon, Duke of Verneuil, titular bishop of Metz, and great-uncle of Louis XIV. Through her brother, Catherine may have met this high lord and had a short liaison with him. In October 1668, the Duke of Verneuil married Charlotte Séguier, daughter of the Chancellor of France. Catherine may have been indiscreet as to her adventure with the duke. To protect his own future at the court and avoid a source of embarrassment to his newly married protector, Antoine may have locked up his too loquacious sister at La Salpêtrière and afterwards had her incorporated in the next shipment of Filles du Roi towards New France.[4]

Jean-René Côté and Anita Seni in their works on Catherine de Baillon show how Catherine's decision to migrate to New France was influenced by Louis-Théandre Chartier, sieur of Lotbinière. Unlike Ouimet and Mauger they do not believe that Catherine was a naughty young woman forced to migrate, but rather she chose to do so based on her social position and family contacts.[6][7]

It is possible that Catherine de Baillon was never confined at La Salpêtrière, as Ouimet and Mauger suggest, and that she joined the King's Daughters of her own free will. Her family was connected to someone associated with the hospital. Her mother, believing that she was not able to provide for Catherine properly may have encouraged her youngest to go to New France with other unmarried young women searching for better opportunities.

Louis Viole, her uncle and tutor to her sisters, Elisabeth and Marie-Claude, had a young aunt, Marie Defita, who may have intervened in favor of Catherine. Marie was better known as Mademoisselle Viole. She was an Assistant and the Treasurer of the Ladies of Charity, an organization that maintained close ties with La Salpêtrière. She was the head of the staff who cared for the women and girls interred at the hospital. Aware of a ship sailing for Canada at the beginning of summer 1669, it is possible that Mademoisselle Viole invited young Catherine to join the girls of La Salpetrière to avoid the costs of the crossing and to travel with the group in safety.

The decision by Catherine to leave for Canada was encouraged by the visit of Louis-Théandre Chartier, a friend and family ally. Visiting France in 1668, Mr. Chartier was able to present to Louise de Marle the many possibilities offered by New France.

Catherine de Baillon departed La Rochelle aboard the ship Le St-Jean-Baptiste on 15 May 1669 and arrived in Quebec on 30 Jun 1669.[8]

Drapeau identifiant les profils du Canada, Nouvelle-France
Catherine (Baillon) de Baillon lived
in Canada, Nouvelle-France.

Marriage

Marriage Contract
Catherine de Baillon is probably the daughter of the King who has been most studied by genealogists and historians. This interest is not related to the remarkable facts of Catherine de Baillon in New France but rather by what was revealed in her marriage contract made with Jacques Mivillve signed before the notary Pierre Duquet on 19 October 1669. The contract states that she was "Catherine de Baillon, daughter of deceased Alphonse de Baillon Squire, Sieur de la Mascotterie, and Louise de Marle". The title of his father indicates that he was a noble owner of the seigneury of the Mascotterie. This marriage contract was also the first document in which Jacques Miville was called "Sieur Deschenes". Jacques Miville had been granted land in the seigneury of Lauzon and he may have wanted to make himself more interesting in the eyes of his future wife. The marriage contract specified that Catherine de Baillon had brought from France the sum of 1000 livres of which 300 were placed in the community goods of the couple. It was quite a fortune that Catherine had with her. It is rather intriguing to find this young woman among the daughters of the King who had, for the majority of them, only 50 livres in dowry and which came from the treasury of the King of France.[9][10]

At the office of Notary Duquet, Jacques Miville was surrounded by family members and relatives. Catherine de Baillon was accompanied by Daniel de Remy, Knight of France, Seigneur de Courcelles, and Governor General for the King; Pierre de Saurel, a Captain of the Carignan-Salières regiment; Louis Roüer, Sieur de Villeray, First Counselor of the Sovereign Council; and the Captain of the vessel Le St-Jean Baptiste, Pierre Fillye. In addition to the Governor General, Claude de Boutroue d'Aubigny, the Intendant of New France, signed the contract. The presence of the Governor and the Intendant for the simple signing of a marriage contract may seem astonishing, but attests to the importance of Catherine de Baillon. Catherine had a brother in France who was close to the Royal family. Antoine de Baillon was the Squire of Gaston-Henri de Bourbon, Duke of Verneuil, who was the uncle of King Louis XIV. (see note)[11]

Marriage Catherine de Baillon married Jacques Miville 12 November 1669 at Notre-Dame de Québec.[12]

Family

Known children of Jacques Miville and Catherine de Baillon:

  1. Marie Catherine, born 22 August 1670 and baptized 3 Sept. in Québec. She married (1) Ignace DURAND 24 February 1691 in Québec; (2) Jean-Baptiste SOULARD 16 septembre 1701 in Québec and (3) Jean-Joseph FERRÉ dit DUBURON on 6 February 1713 in Québec. She died and was buried July 13, 1715 in Quebec City.
  2. Charles, born 5 September 1671 and baptized on the 8th in Québec. He married Louise Charlotte GRONDIN on 13 February 1697 in Rivière-Ouelle.
  3. Jean was born 5 September 1672 and baptized the next day in Québec. He married 13 May 1691 at Rivière-Ouelle Marie Madeleine DUBÉ, daughter of Mathurin et Marie CAMPION. He died 30 December 1711 and was buried the following day at Rivière-Ouelle.
  4. Marie Louise was born 30 March 1675 at Saint-Jean-Port-Joli, and she was baptized 23 July 1675 in Québec. She died 10 October 1754 and was buried the next day in Saint -Laurent, Île de Montréal.
  5. Charles was born 14 August 1677 in Rivière-Ouelle and baptized 1 September in Québec. He married Marie-Marthe VALLÉE 28 August 1702 in Rivière-Ouelle. Charles was buried 11 February 1758 in La Pocatière
  6. Claude Marie was born 1 October 1681 in Rivière- Ouelle and baptized 20 November 1681 in L’Islet. She married (1) François NIQUETTE dit MONTY on 7 January 1699 in Saint-François-du-Lac; (2) Jean Baptiste Louis HAREL 2 March 1710 in Saint- François-du-Lac; (3) Gilles BADAYAC dit LAPLANTE on 22 July 1725 also at Saint-François-du-Lac. Claude Marie was a midwife. She died between November 1744 and February 1747 at St-François-du-Lac.

After living a few years in the Miville lands in Lauzon, the couple settled on in La Grande Anse, near Rivière-Ouelle.

In 1681 the couple and four children were residing in La Bouteillerie. According to the Census: Jacques Minville 46; Catherine Baillon, sa femme, 36; enfant: Catherine 12, Charles 11, Jean 9, Charles 5; the family had 2 guns, seven cattle, and a little over 6.75 acres (8 arpents = 6.758 acres) under cultivation.[13][14][15]

Death

Catherine and Jacques died a few hours apart in 1688, probably victims of an epidemic. Marie Catherine de Baillon died on 27 Jan 1688 in Rivière-Ouelle, Canada Nouvelle-France, and was buried on 30 Jan 1688. On the burial record, the priest wrote her name "Marie Catherina Bayon."[1]

Biographie

Catherine de Baillon était une noble Français immigrante en Nouvelle-France. Elle est née environ 1645 dans Les Layes, (Essarts-le-roi), île-de-France, France; la fille de Alphonse Baillon, (écuyer et Seigneur de la Mascotterie) et Louise de Marle.

  • Catherine est le nom qu’elle utilise sur son dossier de mariage et la plupart des autres dossiers où elle est présente. L’addition du nom Marie était un événement très fréquent à cette époque, fait par le clergé, pas nécessairement à juste titre. Le seul enregistrement qui lui est directement associé (pas les baptêmes et les mariages de ses enfants) qui utilise Marie est son acte funéraire.[1]
  • de BaillonDes auteurs tels que Ouimet et Mauger, et Côté et Seni, ont clairement fait comprendre que Catherine, ses frères et sœurs, et ses autres parents ont normalement signé leurs noms en utilisant de Baillon. Le premier acte disponible que nous ayons pour elle dans le nouveau monde, son contrat de mariage du 19 octobre 1669 signé devant le notaire Pierre Duquet, a sa signature et elle a signé son nom Catherine de Baillon. (Voir la signature numérique améliorée de la bobine de microfilm ANQ n ° 1710 dans images. Même la Royal Connection Research Association a décidé d’utiliser de Baillon.[2]

«Catherine de Baillon» a été parmi les Filles du Roi, un groupe de femmes commandées par le roi pour être recrutées et envoyées en Nouvelle-France pour épouser les colons de la colonie. Elle était l’une des rares filles du roi qui avaient une ascendance noble. Elle est le lien généalogique entre de nombreux Canadiens-Français et des ancêtres royaux, y compris Charlemagne. Catherine étant originaire d’une famille noble Française était inhabituelle parmi les filles du roi. Bien que son père soit mort, elle avait toujours sa mère, ses tuteurs et un frère bien placé à la Cour en France. Bien qu’elle ne soit pas riche, elle apporte encore une dot de 1000 livres.

Raymond Ouimet et Nicole Mauger dans leur livre sur Catherine de Baillon proposaient une explication plausible.

  • Les comptes de l’époque suggèrent qu’elle a été mise à bord du navire contre sa volonté, peut-être après avoir été enfermé à la Salpêtrière à Paris. (L’hôpital de la Pitié-Salpêtrière était le terrain de dumping pour les femmes qui ont reçu le terrible diagnostic d' "hystérique " et aussi pour les orphelines.) [3] Il a également été utilisé par les familles nobles qui avaient une fille qui était un embarras d’une certaine façon de les mettre hors de circulation.[4] Malgré sa dot et sa noblesse, aucun des nobles de Québec ne s’approcha d’elle. Il semblerait qu’une «mauvaise réputation» l’avait précédée à la Nouvelle-France."[5]
  • Le frère de Catherine, Antoine, a été écuyer de Gaston Henry de Bourbon, duc de Verneuil, évêque titulaire de Metz, et grand-oncle de Louis XIV. Par son frère, Catherine a peut-être rencontré ce grand Seigneur et a eu une liaison courte avec lui. En octobre 1668, le duc de Verneuil épousa Charlotte Séguier, fille du chancelier de France. Catherine a peut-être été indiscrète quant à son aventure avec le duc. Pour protéger son propre avenir à la Cour et éviter une source d’embarras pour son protecteur nouvellement marié, Antoine a peut-être enfermé sa sœur trop loquace à la Salpêtrière et l’a ensuite fait incorporer dans la prochaine expédition de filles du roi vers la Nouvelle-France.[4]

Jean-René Côté et Anita Seni dans leurs œuvres sur Catherine de Baillon montrent comment la décision de Catherine de migrer en Nouvelle-France a été influencée par Louis-Théandre Chartier, sieur de Lotbinière. Contrairement à Ouimet et Mauger, ils ne croient pas que Catherine était une jeune femme coquine forcée de migrer, mais plutôt elle a choisi de le faire en fonction de sa position sociale et des contacts familiaux.[6][7]

Il est possible que Catherine de Baillon n’ait jamais été confinée à la Salpêtrière, comme le suggèrent Ouimet et Mauger, et qu’elle rejoignit les filles du roi de son propre volonté. Sa famille était reliée à une personne associée à l’hôpital. Sa mère, croyant qu’elle n’était pas en mesure de pourvoir correctement à Catherine, a peut-être encouragé sa plus jeune à aller en Nouvelle-France avec d’autres jeunes femmes célibataires cherchant de meilleures opportunités.

Louis Viole, son oncle et tuteur auprès de ses sœurs Elisabeth et Marie-Claude, avait une jeune tante, Marie Defita, qui est peut-être intervenue en faveur de Catherine. Marie était plus connue sous le nom de Mademoisselle Viole. Elle a été assistante et trésorière des dames de la charité, une organisation qui entretient des liens étroits avec la Salpêtrière. Elle était à la tête du personnel qui s’occupait des femmes et des filles inhumées à l’hôpital. Consciente d’un navire partant pour le Canada au début de l’été 1669, il est possible que Mademoisselle Viole invite la jeune Catherine à rejoindre les filles de la SALPETRIERE pour éviter les coûts de la traversée et pour voyager avec le groupe en toute sécurité.

La décision de Catherine de partir pour le Canada a été encouragée par la visite de Louis-Théandre Chartier, ami et allié de la famille. En visitant la France en 1668, M. Chartier a pu présenter à Louise de Marle les nombreuses possibilités offertes par la Nouvelle-France.

Catherine de Baillon quitte la Rochelle à bord du navire Le St-Jean-Baptiste le 15 mai 1669 et arrive à Québec le 30 juin 1669.[8]

Drapeau identifiant les profils du Canada, Nouvelle-France
Catherine (Baillon) de Baillon a vécu
au Canada, Nouvelle-France.

Mariage

Contrat de Mariage:
Catherine de Baillon est probablement la Fille du Roy qui a été la plus étudiée par les généalogistes et par les historiens. Cet intérêt n’est pas lié à des faits remarquables de Catherine en Nouvelle-France mais plutôt par ce qui a été révélé dans son contrat de mariage fait avec Jacques Miville passé devant le notaire Pierre Duquet le 19 octobre 1669. Le contrat précise qu’elle était "demoiselle Catherine de Baillon fille de deffunct Alphonse de Baillon escuyer Sr. de la Mascotterie, et demoiselle Louise de Marle." Le titre de son père indique qu’il était un noble propriétaire de la seigneurie de la Mascotterie. Ce contrat de mariage est aussi le premier document où Jacques Miville se fait appeler "Sieur Deschenes". Jacques Miville s’était fait concéder une terre dans la seigneurie de Lauzon et il avait peut-être voulu se rendre plus intéressant aux yeux de sa future épouse. Le contrat de mariage précise que Catherine de Baillon avait apporté de France la somme de 1000 livres dont 300 étaient mis dans la communauté de biens du couple. C’était toute une fortune que Catherine de Baillon avait avec elle. Il est plutôt intriguant de retrouver cette jeune femme parmi les Filles du Roy qui n’avaient, pour la majorité d’entre-elles, que 50 livres en dot et qui provenaient des coffres du roi de France.[9][10]

Chez notaire Duquet, Jacques Miville était entouré de membres de la famille et de sa famille élargie. Catherine de Baillon était accompagnée de Daniel de Remy, Chevalier de France, Seigneur de Courcelles, et Gouverneur Général pour le Roi; Pierre de Saurel, capitaine du régiment de Carignan-Salières; Louie Roüer, Sieur de Villeray, premier conseiller du Conseil souverain; et le capitaine du navire le St-Jean Baptiste, Pierre Fillye. En plus du gouverneur général, Claude de Boutroue d’Aubigny, l’Intendant de la Nouvelle-France, signe le contrat. La présence du gouverneur et de l’intendant pour la simple signature d’un contrat de mariage peut sembler étonnante, mais témoigne de l’importance de Catherine de Baillon. Catherine avait un frère en France qui était proche de la famille royale. Antoine de Baillon était l’écuyer de Gaston-Henri de Bourbon, duc de Verneuil, qui était l’oncle du roi Louis XIV. (voir note)[16]

Mariage Catherine de Baillon épousa Jacques Miville le 12 novembre 1669 à Notre-Dame de Québec.[12]

Enfants connus de Jacques Miville et Catherine de Baillon: voir la liste ci-haut.

Au recensement de 1681, le couple est à la Bouteillerie, Jacques Minville est dit âgé de 46 ans, Catherine Baillon son épouse 36 ans; ils ont alors 4 enfants: Catherine, 12 ans; Charles, 11 ans; Jean, 9 ans; Charles, 5 ans; Le couple possède 2 fusils, 7 bêtes à cornes et 8 arpents de terre en valeur.[13][14][15]

Décès:

Catherine et Jacques meurent à quelques heures l'un de l'autre en 1688, probablement victimes d'une épidémie. Décédée le 27 janvier 1688 à Rivière-Ouelle, sépulture le 30. Sur la citation de sépulture, le prêtre a écrit son nom comme "Marie Catherina Bayon."[1]

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 Québec, registres paroissiaux catholiques, 1621-1979 Rivière-Ouelle > Notre-Dame-de-Liesse > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1681, 1685-1750 > image 338 of 659; Archives Nationales du Quebec (National Archives of Quebec), Montreal. FamilySearch
  2. 2.0 2.1 Royal Connection Research Association. Copyright © 1995 by John P. DuLong and associates, Berkley, MI. Created 23 November 1995. Modified 25 January 2019. Catherine de Baillon
  3. 3.0 3.1 Atlas Obscura Pitié-Salpêtrière Hospital
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 Catherine de Baillon, Enquête sur une fille du roi - Raymond Ouimet - Nicole Mauger, Éd. Septentrion Site Raymond Ouimet
  5. 5.0 5.1 Migrations: 700 Filles du Roy (Note: Lettre D manque / Letter D missing, Wayback Machine.
  6. 6.0 6.1 "La fortune de Catherine de Baillon." Jean-René Côté and Anita Seni. Mémoires de la Société généalogique canadienne-française 52:2 (Summer 2001):123-144.
  7. 7.0 7.1 "Catherine de Baillon's Emigration to New France: The Key Role Played by Louis-Théandre Chartier. Jean-René Côté and Anita Seni. American-Canadian Genealogist43, no.1 (2017): 13-25.
  8. 8.0 8.1 Migrations: navire / ship St-Jean-Baptiste 1669 via Wayback Machine
  9. 9.0 9.1 Archives nationale de Quebec microfilm reel number 1710.
  10. 10.0 10.1 Inventaire des greffes des notaires du Régime français. Vol II. Créateurs: Roy, Pierre-Georges, 1870-1953, Roy, Antoine, 1905-1997, Archives nationales du Québec. Éditeur: Québec :R. Lefebvre, Éditeur officiel du Québec,1942-1976. Inventaire des Greffes image 141 of 295, p. 133
  11. Note: The presence of the governor and intendant was not an exceptional event in regards to marriages of the Filles du roy, they figure on quite a number of these contracts. The Filles du Roy program was a governmental program, and they were the representatives of the king in New France.
  12. 12.0 12.1 Québec, registres paroissiaux catholiques, 1621-1979, Québec > Notre-Dame-de-Québec > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1621-1679 > image 459 of 512; Archives Nationales du Quebec (National Archives of Quebec), Montreal. FamilySearch Mariage
  13. 13.0 13.1 Recensement de 1681 en Nouvelle-France. DocPlayer. See page 29 of 40. Link to Recensement de 1681 en Nouvelle-France, compilé par Jean-Guy Sénécal.
  14. 14.0 14.1 Recensement du Canada fait par l'intendant Du Chesneau. 1681 Recensement 1681, image number 239.
  15. 15.0 15.1 Wikisource Recensement 1681 Census selon Benjamin Sulte
  16. Note: la présence du gouverneur et de l'intendant à la signature du contrat n'était pas une chose exceptionelle en ce qui a trait aux mariages des Filles du roy, ils figurent sur bon nombre de ces contrats. Le programme des Filles du Roy était financé par la couronne, dont ils sont les représentants dans la colonie.
  • Catherine de Baillon, Enquête sur une fille du roi, Raymond Ouimet & Nicole Mauger, Éd. Septentrion 2001. This well researched book (in French) follows parallel lines of Catherine de Baillon's life and family lines for a few generations, and the life she led in the colony, and also the life of her eldest daughter Catherine Marie Miville and her work to obtain her family's inheritance rights after the death of her uncle Antoine, who died childless, which took decades. Cites sources throughout, and when there is speculation it is so termed. Ouimet and Mauger have a very different view of Catherine's life and motivations for coming to New France than do Côté and Seni. You must read over both sets of authors to understand their different views and to judge the evidence they submit.
  • "La fortune de Catherine de Baillon." Jean-René Côté and Anita Seni. Mémoires de la Société généalogique canadienne-française 52:2 (Summer 2001):123-144. This is an excellent, well researched, and very well documented article about Catherine Baillon's immediate family. It explains the context of her decision to immigrate to New France.
  • "Catherine de Baillon's Emigration to New France: The Key Role Played by Louis-Théandre Chartier. Jean-René Côté and Anita Seni. American-Canadian Genealogist43, no.1 (2017): 13-25. This is a partial translation of their "Champlain, les Chartier de Lotbinière et Catherine de Baillon ou l'avenir est en Nouvelle-France" article. These authors show how Catherine's decision to migrate to New France was influenced by Louis-Théandre Chartier, sieur of Lotbinière. Unlike Ouimet and Mauger they do not believe that Catherine was a naughty young woman forced to migrate, but rather she chose to do so based on her social position and family contacts.
  • Jetté, René; DuLong, John P.; Gagne, Roland-Yves; and Moreau, Gail F., De Catherine Baillon à Charlemagne, Société généalogique canadienne-française #48 (Autumn): 190-216 Figure 2, pp. 195-196 (1997)
  • National Dictionary French-Canadian 1608-1760 , historic Volume III , Drouin Institute . ( Angie Dupuis )
  • Dictionnaire généalogique des familles canadiennes (Collection Tanguay), 1608 à 1890. Tanguay, Cyprien. Dictionnaire généalogique des familles canadiennes depuis la fondation de la colonie jusqu'?? nos jours. Québec, Canada: Eusèbe Senécal, 1871-1890.
  • René Jetté, John P. DuLong, Roland-Yves Gagné, and Gail F. Moreau, Ascending lineage from Catherine Baillon to Charlemagne.
  • The American-Canadian Genealogist, Issue #82, Volume 25, Number 4. 1999 American-Canadian Genealogical Society PDF (English)
  • "Catherine de Baillon, Fille du Roi. Originally on Prefen. (No author listed.) Catherine de Baillon at Prefen (via Wayback machine)
  • La Famille Miville-Dechene par Michel Emond. Monographie en généalogie. See page 20. Site Descendants of Pierre Miville
  • Royal Connection Research Association. Copyright © 1995 by John P. DuLong and associates, Berkley, MI. Created 23 November 1995. Modified 25 January 2019. Catherine de Baillon
  • Fichier origine: Fédération québécoise des sociétés de généalogie//Québec Federation of Genealogical Societies Catherine de Baillon
  • Migrations - 700 Filles du Roi




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For some time, there has been a debate about the motivation for Catherine de Baillon coming to New France. On one hand, Ouimet and Mauger believe that Catherine immigrated because she was excluded from her family probably for misbehavior. In their book they speculate that she had an affair with Gaston Henry de Bourbon, Duke of Verneuil, titular bishop of Metz, and great-uncle of Louis XIV. I have always found this suggestion rather baseless and a stretch based only on the fact that Catherine’s brother was associated with the duke. On the other hand, Côté and Seni in two important articles emphasize that Catherine was the daughter of an impoverished noble family with a network of friends associated with New France and her decision to migrate was based on her family situation, her family contacts, the opportunities New France offered, and not her alleged bad behavior.

I have leaned more towards accepting Côté and Seni’s suggestion for her emigration and rejected the naughty view of Catherine. However, recent research by Gilles Brassard has made me reconsider Catherine’s motivations for leaving France. I suggest you look at Brassard’s webpage, “184. Catherine de Baillon?” available at https://conversationsancetres.wordpress.com/2023/08/30/184-catherine-de-baillon to consult his findings.

Basically, Brassard found that a Catherine de Baillon had an illegitimate child with Jean Baptiste le Tellier, corrector in the chamber of accounts, in 1668. He cautions that more research is necessary to verify that this Catherine is indeed our Catherine as she had an aunt of the same name and there was at least one other contemporary unrelated woman of the same name living in France. Should this new finding be verified, then it would appear that Catherine was indeed “naughty” and her mother would have possibly explored with her network of friends the possible alternative futures for her daughter. As her network included people associated with New France, it would appear that New France was an appealing solution to a perplexing problem.

I congratulate M. Brassard on his intriguing finding.

posted by John DuLong Ph.D.
If Catherine's Aunt Catherine de Baillon was indeed born around 1582, then she could not be the mother of a bastard in 1582. Just saying.
posted by John DuLong Ph.D.
The following article entitled FROM CATHERINE BAILLON TO CHARLEMAGNE corrects what appears to have been a false assumption:

"The first part of this article shows the error of the relationship published in the Traite de genealogle: Jean de Thiembronne. Gillette de Thiembronne's father, is not the same person as Jean II Bournel. Seigneur of Thtembronne. " p. 170

https://acgs.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ACGS_Baillon_1999.pdf

This article is well worth carefully studying!

posted by Suzanne (Campbell) Rua
thanks Suzanne, have added the link to the sources list, this is actually already a known document, the Traité de Généalogie by Jetté was an earlier research paper.
posted by Danielle Liard
Here is another interesting website "dedicated to reporting on the Catherine Baillon Royal Connection Research Association."

https://habitant.org/baillon/#Menu

posted by Suzanne (Campbell) Rua
As of today the wikitree database contains 27,145 descendants of Catherine Baillon. Of which 595 are living persons and 371 are actual wikitree users.
posted by Christian Roy
Descendant of Charlemagne :
posted by Aline Barbeau
Catherine and Michelle are 12th cousins 11 times removed

Catherine (Baillon) de Baillon (1645-1688) and Michelle (Hibbs) May are both descendants of Ermensinde (Namur) de Bar-le-Duc (abt.1186-1247).

posted by Michelle (Hibbs) May
For those descended from Catherine de Baillon, the following may be of interest - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.genealogy.medieval/7wiFih_heVc
De Baillon-8 and Baillon-1 appear to represent the same person because: The following was sent via the private messaging system on WikiTree.com.

I thought this e-mail made me a trusted list member for this profile. "Can you merge them as I am not pre 1500 authorised. Thank you, Micheline This message is from Micheline Gadbois [email address removed] . Click here for their WikiTree profile: https://www.WikiTree.com/wiki/Gadbois-46" I am convinced De Baillon-8 and Baillon-1 are the same because Montfort-l'Amaury yvelines fr (cf. marriage certificate) and Les Layes are in the same vicinity (AD78); as I see it, she was born in Monfort-L'Amaury and baptised in the church at Les Layes. I have also reviewed her ancestors and found only minor differences save for Jeanne de la Saussaye's parents which will need to be researched. Please explain more about the trusted list. Cordially Michele

posted by [Living Calonnec]
further enquiries into the cause of death of Catherine and Jacques, I found that scarlet fever could also be translated thus:

fièvre pourpre ou variole http://www.prologue.qc.ca/pedago/metiers2/medecin/info-epidemies.htm and Ref: Thèse présentée par Gisèle Levasseur en 2009 à la Faculté des études supérieures de l'Université Laval dans le cadre du programme de doctorat en anthropologie pour l'obtention du grade de docteur (Ph. D.) S'ALLIER POUR SURVIVRE Les épidémies chez les Hurons et les Iroquois entre 1634 et 1700 : une étude ethnohistorique comparative p.143-145 https://www.google.ca/search?rlz=1C2GKLB_enCA632CA632&biw=1366&bih=589&q=s%27allier+pour+survivre&oq=s%27allier+pour+survivre&gs_l=psy-ab.3...5341.10515.0.12667.22.22.0.0.0.0.152.2465.2j19.21.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..1.17.1948...0j35i39k1j0i10i67k1j0i131k1j0i22i10i30k1j0i22i30k1j33i22i29i30k1j33i160k1._OEaKitZsL8

posted by [Living Calonnec]
Hi,

Might be of interest, she died just a few hours after her husband; they both had scarlet fever (fièvre pourpre ou scarlatine)

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L99Q-CFTW?i=337&wc=9RLV-4WP%3A17758701%2C17758702%2C949950001&cc=1321742

The migrations link to their marriage is not valid; contact should be made with [email address removed] You might want to use this source: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G993-F9S1-J?i=458&wc=9RLX-4WG%3A17585101%2C19508101%2C19508102&cc=1321742

posted by [Living Calonnec]
Hi!

Baillon-1 & De Baillon-8 appear to be the same person : same parents, both from AD78 (Montford -Lamaury & les Layes) It should be merged Michèle Calonnec

posted by [Living Calonnec]
I am one of those thousands of descendants of Catherine de Baillon. Catherine and I are fourth cousins eleven times removed. We are both descendants of Jacqueline Dupuis (1480-abt.1550).

According to the following website (Catherine de Baillon Research Association), which contains a sample of Catherine's actual signature, she signed herself "Catherine de Baillon."

https://habitant.org/baillon/#Menu

posted by Suzanne (Campbell) Rua
Part of her lineage is in the following article (which I don't think is included in this genealogy) - DuLong, John & Jean Bunot, "Catherine de Baillon's de Roye Ancestry; Another Royal Gateway", in Michigan's Habitant History, v. 30 #1, (Jan 2009), pp.5-18.
Note: Filles du Roy had a dowry which was not necessarily monetary, most often being in goods needed to set up a household, their value being 50 livres (or 100 for those marrying officers). The fact of their dowry from the king was not always noted in the notarial marriage contracts, some notaries lumped it with any other dowry they might have had.
posted by Danielle Liard
This pdf is in French but seems to have a lot of information:

http://www.unicaen.fr/mrsh/prefen/notices/6607cb.pdf

And this pdf, also in French, tells of Catherine de Baillon on page 20: http://www.genealogie-miville-deschenes.com/dossierPDF/LafamilleMivilleDechêneVersionfinale.pdf

posted by Judith Vasseur
Marie Catherine was the daughter of Catherine.
posted by Susan Dion