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John (Cailly) de Cailly

John de Cailly formerly Cailly
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Biography

John was probably born before 1160. He was the son of Roger Cailly and Beatrice,[1] who was one of Roger's two wives.[2] He held Cranwich, Massingham, Bradenham, Oxburgh, Denver, Hillington, Hecham, Hildebrugh etc in time of Richard I and in 1202. In about 1199 his sister Alice de Cailly brought a plea of marriage against him, which was settled in 1200/1: her claim was to a tenement in Hildeburghworth, now Hilborough, Norfolk.[1]

In 1199 John’s mother claimed dower right to two carucates at Denver, Norfolk. In 1202 he was ordered to give his mother Beatrice an exchange in a suit over the rent of a mill given to his mother by her late husband Roger.[1]

In 1202-3 (4 King John) John is recorded as holding Cranwich, Norfolk.[3]

John and his wife Margery[1] founded St Margaret's Chapel, Hilborough, Norfolk.[4] In 1207, Margery married Michael de Poynings[1] as her second husband. Blomefield gives the year for that marriage as 1207;[4] Cokayne says it was before Trinity Term 1206:[5] if 1206 here means the legal year 1206, Trinity Term 1206 would be in 1207 in modern reckoning. So John must have died by 1207 at the latest. John's son Adam inherited before 9 John (1207-8) so he must have died before then.[1]

John's grandson Osbert de Cailly made a gift to St Margaret's Chapel, Hilborough, Norfolk for the souls of Adam de Cailli and Mabel (named as Osbert's parents), Osbert's grandmother Margery and other members of the family.[4] This confirms the first name of John's wife.

Research Notes

A different John de Cailly is recorded as holding two knights' fees in Cambridgeshire of the Count of Aumale in the record of the aid for the marriage of the king's sister in 1235-6, having to pay 4 marks.[6] It is not clear how this John fits into the Cailly family.

Foster's Yorkshire Pedigrees has two generations of John de Cailly between Roger de Caily and Adam de Cailly, with Roger's son John marrying Beatrice de Butery and another John, grandson of Roger, marrying Margery said to be widow of Michael de Poynings. As explained in the main biography, Margery married Michael de Poynings after the death of John de Cailly, and Foster's pedigree of the Cailly family for this period is not reliable.[7] A Beatrice was John's mother.[1]

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 William Farrer. Honors and Knights' Fees (Manchester University Press 1925), Vol III, p. 383. Viewable at https://dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE935271
  2. Francis Blomefield, 'Clackclose Hundred and Half: Hilgey', in An Essay Towards A Topographical History of the County of Norfolk: Volume 7 (London, 1807), pp. 369-374, British History Online, accessed 26 November 2021
  3. Francis Blomefield, 'Hundred of Grimeshou: Cranwich', in An Essay Towards A Topographical History of the County of Norfolk: Volume 2 (London, 1805), pp. 222-228, British History Online, accessed 26 November 2021
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 Francis Blomefield, 'Hundred of South Greenhoe: Hilburgh', in An Essay Towards A Topographical History of the County of Norfolk: Volume 6 (London, 1807), pp. 112-118, British History Online, accessed 2 December 2021
  5. G E Cokayne. Complete Peerage, revised edition, Vol. X, St Catherine Press, 1945, p. 658, citing Pipe Rolls, 14 Henry III, p. 229
  6. William Farrer and Charles Travis Clay. Early Yorkshire Charters, Vol. 7, Yorkshire Archaeological Society, 1947, p. 109
  7. Joseph Foster. Pedigrees of the County Families of Yorkshire, Vol. II, published by W Wilfred Head for the author, 1874, Internet Archive
  • Notes Historiques sur Cailli, Normandie, sur ses Seigneurs et leurs descendants en Angleterre dès l'Invasion par Guillaume le Conquérant, by William Sealy, 1895




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Thank you, best wishes for a speedy and successful recovery.
posted on Cailly-24 (merged) by Malc Rowlands
Cokayne Complete Peerage Vol.X p.658 has Adam Cailly’s mother as Margaret/Margery married John Cailly (Lord Massingham) and Sir Michael Poynings.
posted on Cailly-24 (merged) by Malc Rowlands
edited by Malc Rowlands
Thanks for the extra source. I am in hospital at the moment but will add it in due course, all being well.
posted on Cailly-24 (merged) by Michael Cayley
I have now added the source and done some associated editing. Thank you again, Malcolm.
posted on Cailly-24 (merged) by Michael Cayley

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