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Unknown (Unknown) Tubbs (abt. 1680 - abt. 1770)

Unknown "Mary" Tubbs formerly [surname unknown]
Born about [location unknown]
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of — married about 1700 in South Carolinamap [uncertain]
Descendants descendants
Mother of and
Died about at about age 90 in Charleston, South Carolinamap
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Profile last modified | Created 15 Jan 2014
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The Birth Date is a rough estimate. See the text for details.

Biography

Traditionally William Tubb b. c. 1729 and George Tubb. b. c. 1727 both living in Greenville, South Carolina in 1790 were brothers, sons of parents whose names have never been positively determined. The father is said to have come to North America before 1700, and then disappeared leaving the widow and two sons, who were bound out at her subsequent remarriage.[1]

The 1700 date of migration would indicate a man of say 15-30, and leads to a birth estimate of 1675 with wife born 1680. However, the births of children, estimated at 1727 and 1729, indicates at least a much younger woman b. 1695-1710. Of course as family tradition we cannot be sure of the migration date of "father" Tubb, it may have been later, making him born at a more usual date for children born about 1727-1729.

Children of Unknown Unknown and Unknown Tubb are:

  • William Tubb, b. c. 1729, North Carolina, d. December 24, 1804, Greenville Co., South Carolina.
  • George Tubb, b. Abt. 1727, North Carolina, d. Abt. 1803, Pendleton Co. , South Carlina.

Allegedly the parent of William Tubb and George Tubb but there is no evidence or proof to make this connection.

Research Notes

Research Notes for Rebecca Capshaw 1700-1770( Probate date 22 Aug 1770). alleged parent of William and George[2].

1. From Ancestry Trees:
Rebecca Capshaw.
Birth 1700 • Rutherford, North Carolina, United States
Death 1770 • South Carolina, United States
Burial Marion, Perry County, Alabama, USA
Sources besides other Ancestry Trees
Find A Grave Find A Grave: Memorial #166321098
South Carolina Wills and Related Probate Matters, *land and Property Records, *public Records, Some *marriage Contracts, 1671, 1692-1868; Author: South Carolina. Probate Court (Charleston County); Probate Place: Charleston, South Carolina (https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/16262596/person/28099025458/facts?_phsrc=Cqy6142&_phstart=successSource)
This isn't actually a will. 18 July 1770 Rebecca Tubb of Charlestown, South Carolina, widow, sold for £350 to Mary Stevens, one Negro woman named Venus.
2. Please note that Find A Grave places the burial of Rebecca Capshaw in Marion, Alabama, in a Tubb Cemetery. Why would she have died in South Carolina and been buried in Alabama.
A search for the Tubb Cemetery in Perry County Alabama.
Find A Grave Rebecca is the only person buried there and there is no mapped location for the cemetery.
lds genealogy lists a Tubbs Cem in Marion, but it cites Find a grave as a source.
Tracking your roots Perry County, Alabama Cemeteries No Tubb Cemetery listed. There is a Rebecca Tubb ( 1801-14 Apr 1900) w/o Sion buried at the Sardis Church Cemetery
Perry County, Alabama Cemetery Records at accessgenealogy No Tubb Cemetery listed.
Perry county AlGenWeb This lists two.
Tubb Cemetery Morgan Springs All six persons buried here were buried after 1890.
Tubb Cemetery no town designation NO Rebecca Tubb. Burials begin in 1829. This is the cemetery on Find A Grave
3. Geni.com references Family Search Smart Match.
4. Family Search trees and pedigrees seem to only cite Find a Grave.

Sources

  1. ↑ Parish, Ray, The Tubb Family of Monroe County, Mississippi and their Kin.
  2. ↑ Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 29 July 2020), memorial page for Rebecca Capshaw Tubb (1700–1770), Find A Grave: Memorial #166321098, citing Tubb Family Cemetery, Marion, Perry County, Alabama, USA ; Maintained by Patrina Hill Gotcher Perkins (contributor 48989195) .

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Lunn-170 Jeanne (Lunn) Aloia
Capshaw-20 and Unknown-224706 appear to represent the same person because: See Notes
posted by Jeanne (Lunn) Aloia
B-404 Anne B
If this person exists, I haven't found any records of her existence. The Find a Grave memorial is just plain wrong. See the Research Notes I've added to this profile. I can't prove that she doesn't exist, but I'm quite certain she was not the legendary parent (per family tradition) of William and George whose father is only guessed to be named John and we don't know anything about their mother.

One solution would be to remove the children and attach them to profiles that are more correct. ie. Tubbs-311 and Unknown-224706. I think this is at the moment the proper thing to do. Objections?

Another option would be to merge this couple into Tubbs-311 and Unknown-224706, but then I suspect that Rebecca would simply be recreated.

I just found this. Rebecca Tubs of St Phillips parish to administer on the Estate & Effects of Griffith Tubs late of the same place dec’d. as next of kin to be published & returned . Certified 23 Dec. 1767. (Holcomb, Brent. Probate Records of South Carolina: Journal of the Court of Ordinary 1764-1771.) However this doesn't make her the parent of George and William.

posted on Capshaw-20 (merged) by Anne B
[Living Farrar]
There is only one Rebecca Capshaw, born in this time, she married William Tubb born 1729.

Somehow the Tubbs descendants seem to have conflated their Tubbs ancestry with the Tubb ancestry. That or the Name Tubb, should Tubb's if possessive, and apparently when referring to it as a plurality the Tubbs is taken as the proper surname. This happens in many families, the Carpenters, referring to the Carpenter line, as a plurality.

What needs to be done is to go through these lineages and change the LNAB to Tubb and then merge them, that should set the record straight.

However there is also a lineage of Tubbs, and Tubb, Tubbs and Tubee are also Choctaw surnames, actually a Title taken as a surname when the tribes adopted the customs and traditions of the larger and surrounding culture

posted on Capshaw-20 (merged) by [Living Farrar]
[Living Farrar]
Capshaw-39 and Capshaw-20 appear to represent the same person because: There is only one Rebecca Capshaw, born in this time, she married William Tubb born 1729.

Somehow the Tubbs descendants seem to have conflated their Tubbs ancestry with the Tubb ancestry. That or the Name Tubb, should Tubb's if possessive, and apparently when referring to it as a plurality the Tubbs is taken as the proper surname. This happens in many families, the Carpenters, referring to the Carpenter line, as a plurality.

What needs to be done is to go through these lineages and change the LNAB to Tubb and then merge them, that should set the record straight.

However there is also a lineage of Tubbs, and Tubb, Tubbs and Tubee are also Choctaw surnames, actually a Title taken as a surname when the tribes adopted the customs and traditions of the larger and surrounding culture.

posted on Capshaw-20 (merged) by [Living Farrar]

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