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Robert Coleman (abt. 1622 - abt. 1688)

Col. [uncertain] Robert "of Mobjack Bay" Coleman
Born about in Brent Eleigh, Suffolk, Englandmap
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married about 1650 [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died about at about age 66 in Charles City, Charles City County, Colony of Virginiamap [uncertain]
Profile last modified | Created 9 May 2011
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Biography

A previous version of this profile suggested that he may have been the son of Richard Coleman and Rebecca Claiborne, and brother of William Coleman, Nicholas Coleman, and Thomas Coleman. Lacking any evidence, Robert has been detached from this family. See research notes.

There are two different Robert Coleman's that appear as headrights (see Research Notes for one author's discussion regarding this):

  • Robert Coleman came to the Virginia colony on 2 March 1638 as a headright of Thomas Symons. [1] He first appeared in Virginia patent records in 1646. in the area known as Mobjack Bay. [2]
  • Robert Coleman of "Charles City County Virginia" was a headright of William Farrar who received 2,000 acres in Henrico County Virginia in 1637 for the importation of 40 people, including Robert Coleman, who would have been fifteen years old at the time of his arrival in Virginia.[3] A Patent to Farrar's Island Plantation was granted by Governor John Harvey in 1637 to Colonel William Farrar ll. The thirty-eight immigrants sponsored by William Farrar in 1637 to enter Virginia included: ... Coleman, Robert'.[4] Lea (Walker) Sullivan

Marriage and Children

Robert married Elizabeth Grizzell circa 1650 in Rappanhannock, Essex, Virginia Colony. They had the following children:

Land Records

Robert Coleman was granted 110 acres in Gloucester County, 18 Mar 1662, for the transportation of 3 persons.[citation needed]

A Deed of Gift, dated 20 May 1663, in which Robt Coleman Senr of "Apamatuck River" in C.C. Co. gives "unto my sonne Robt Coleman now Jun'r", part of "my land" on the Southside of Apamatuck River "I know not the quantity of it" bounded as foll the bredth of it upon the River shall be from the Land of Robt Burgesse down the River side to two marked oakes w'ch stand at the West end of my now dwelling house:. This was signed RC and witnessed by Thomas Batte and Thomas Daulby, and "Sworne in Court by Robt Coleman sen'r" 3 jun 1663.[citation needed]

Research Notes

Disputed Origins & Identity

There is a Robert Coleman, son of Richard, baptised in 1622, [9] or possibly in 1629[10] A nearly identical record to the one cited for the baptism of Robart, son of Richard is for the 1622 burial of Robart, son of Richard in the same location, "Castle Sowerby with Sebergham, Cumberland, England" (both records show just 1622 - no month or day). "England, Cumbria Parish Registers, 1538-1990", database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4JY2-59N2 : 6 April 2022), Robart Colmon, 1622.

Some people think he was the son of Richard Coleman and Rebecca Claiborne, the brother of William Coleman, Nicholas Coleman, and Thomas Coleman. [11]. There are no records to substantiate this claim.

Farrar's land grant, called Farrar's Island, is located within 5 miles of the 813 acre tract later purchased by Robert Coleman from Lt. Col Walter Chiles. Descriptions from various land patents place Coleman's tract within a mile of where the current I-295 bridge crosses the Appomattox River in Prince George County, Virginia.[12]

Robert Coleman arrived in Charles City County, Virginia in 1637[13] [14]

I think that the conclusion that Robert Coleman of Charles City County, Virginia was the headright of William Farrar is more logical that the alternative of being the Robert Coleman head right of Thomas Symons of James City County. Thomas Symons received 800 acres on the Chichahominy River on June 8 1639, for the transport of multiple individuals into the Colony, including a Robert Colemsn. Thomas also received a grant dated October 10, 1642 for land in that part of the Colony that was to become Gloucester County.[15] These 800 acres on the Chicahominy River are a considerable distance from the 813 acre tract purchased by Robert Cole of Charles City County, some five miles from Farrar's Island, due to the proximities of the headright holder's land grants to the indentured servant's later land acquisitions.[16] This comment is by Lea (Walker) Sullivan

Robert Coleman of Charles City County, Virginia's presence in Charles City County, Virginia in 1652 is proven by [17] On 05 November, 1652, Charles City Country, Virginia, Lt. Colonel Walter Chiles conveyed to Robert Coleman, 813 acres on the south side of the Appomattox River in Charles City county, (now Prince George County). "This indenture between Lt. Col. Walter Chiles of James City in Virginia Esquire and Robert Coleman of the county of Charles City in Virginia aforesaid planter, for and in consideration of a valuable sum of tobacco and cask to him in hand paid, doth sell unto Robert Coleman all that his plantation and divident of land containing eight hundred and thirteen acres lying in Appomattox River in the county of Charles City in Virginia." This is the same land later owned by John Coleman of Charles City County, who was likely the son of Robert.

Judge James P. Coleman, author of the book, The Robert Coleman Family from Virginia to Texas 1652 - 1965 states: "It is believed that Robert Coleman b approximately in 1622 in England, arrived in Charles City County, Virginia in 1637, was one of four brothers to arrive in Virginia from England: William, Robert, Thomas and Nicholas (Coleman). The last three brothers came to Virginia "together" presumably to join Robert Coleman, who was there by 1652. This Robert had four sons: Robert Coleman Jr., William Coleman Jr., John Coleman and Warner Coleman. Given that Robert names his William "Jr" rather than William "Sr", it could be concluded that such was done to differentiate Robert's son from Robert's brother of the same name." (Note: Jr. was not 'given' as a name in this time period. Records indicate Sr. and Jr. when there is more than one man of the same name in an area. It does not always indicate a father and son; it just as often indicates an uncle and nephew or an elderly and younger man of the same name.) In his book he also states, "The author has found many printed references from many sources and from family traditions that Thomas Coleman, William Coleman, and Nicholas Coleman came to Virginia "together" and were brothers. It is understood that Nicholas Coleman later migrated to Pennsylvania. It is altogether reasonable to suppose that they came to join Robert Coleman, who was there by 1652 and equally reasonable to suppose that all four were brothers." It is inferred that if all brothers from a single family left England for America, there must have been insufficient inheritance to allow the oldest brother to stay behind. Thus, none of these four brothers would have been wealthy upon their arrival. (If the author located many printed references and sources, please provide them here. Otherwise, please note that they are not given in the book.)

One website devoted to Robert Coleman, The Immigrant lists only six verified children surviving childhood. vid: Thomas, Robert, Joseph, Grizzell, Daniel, and John.

A MyHeritage tree claims Robert died on 6 May 1689 at Tindalls Point, Gloucester, Virginia.

Sources

  1. "Coleman Family Mobjack Bay", p.54
  2. "THE COLEMAN FAMILY OF MOBJACK BAY, VIRGINIA" BY Sherrianne Coleman.Nicol. 1998
  3. Robert Coleman, Coleman Family History, Robert Coleman of Charles City County, Virginia, Chapter 2, page 45.
  4. Robert Coleman of Charles City County, Virginia, Robert Coleman, Coleman Family History, Chapter 2, page 45 third paragraph,
  5. England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975, database, FamilySearch : 30 December 2014, Robert Coleman in entry for Robert Coleman, 13 Jan 1656); citing LITTLE HORKESLEY, ESSEX, ENGLAND, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 857,078.
  6. Settlers, Southerners, Americans: The History of Essex County, Virginia 1608-1984 , by James B. Slaughter, Essex County Board of Supervisors, 1985 p. 36:
  7. "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JMP3-PX7 : 30 December 2014, Robert Coleman in entry for Richerd Coleman, 27 Feb 1659); citing LITTLE HORKESLEY,ESSEX,ENGLAND, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 857,078.
  8. "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5M7-X2V : 30 December 2014, Robert Colman in entry for Elizabeth Colman, 23 Apr 1663); citing LITTLE HORKESLEY,ESSEX,ENGLAND, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 857,078.
  9. "England, Cumbria Parish Registers, 1538-1990", database, (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4JY2-5M6Z : 6 April 2022), Robart Colman, 1622.
  10. "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", Robard Colman, 1629, son of Rechard Colman.
  11. Robert Coleman, The Robert Coleman Family from Virginia to Texas 1652 - 1965, Judge James P, Coleman
  12. Robert Coleman of Charles City County, Virginia, Coleman Family History, Chapter 2, page 45, fourth paragraph.
  13. Robert Coleman in the U.S. and Canada, Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s,. Source GREER, GEORGE CABELL. Early Virginia Immigrants, 1623-1666. Richmond [Va.]: W.C. Hill Printing Co., 1912, 376p. Reprinted by Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, 1978. Repr. 1982. Page:73
  14. Coleman Family History, colemanfamilyhistory.files.wordpress.com 2017, Part Two, Direct Antecedents, Chapter 1, page 43.
  15. Early Virginian Families Along the James River: James City County, Surry County, Virginia, by Louise Pledge Heath Foley, 1990. The 1639 grant information is found on page 30.
  16. Robert Coleman of Charles City County, Virginia, Coleman Family History, Chapter 2, page 45, paragraph six.
  17. 5 November 1652, Charles City County Court Orders of 1655-1658, page 18.

See also:

  • "Cavaliers and Pioneers" Patent Book 5, p 508
  • "Charles City County Court Orders and Fragments 1664-1696", p 309
  • https://www.geneajourney.com/coleman.html#notea
  • Robert Coleman of Mobjack Bay, Virginia (genealogy.com message board posting)
  • Find A Grave: Memorial #134491215
  • Book: Trails West: The Watsons and Walkers, American Pioneers, is a historical tribute by Roberta Watson Richardson to her ancestors who built our nation, fought for its independence, and explored and developed the American West. Nearly 30 of her ancestral families, both paternal and maternal, were in Colonial Virginia before 1700. In fact, her lines first crossed through marriage in Virginia at the turn of the 18th century when Watson ancestor Thomas Christian and Walker ancestor John Tully each married daughters of planter Edmund New. From Virginia, the families took different paths. Watson ancestors headed southwest into Kentucky, Texas and Arizona, while Walker ancestors moved westward before joining the California Gold Rush and settling in the fertile Sierra foothills. Ancestor profiles include Scot/Irish/English surnames Watson, Christian, Coleman, Graves, Hughes, Leake, Miller, New, Randolph and Wallace; German Miser; French Huguenot Toncray and Tully; and Swiss Walker. The book is available on Amazon.com and Kindle Books
  • Rootsweb Mobjack Bay Colemans
  • Genealogist Janis Knox
  • Robert Coleman in the U.S. and Canada, Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s; accessed 27 Feb. 2015; Original data: Filby, P. William, ed. Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s. Farmington Hills, MI, USA: Gale Research, 2012.
Notes:
Name: Robert Coleman
Arrival Year: 1637
Arrival Place: Virginia
Primary Immigrant: Coleman, Robert
Source Bibliography: GREER, GEORGE CABELL. Early Virginia Immigrants, 1623-1666. Richmond [Va.]: W.C. Hill Printing Co., 1912, 376p. Reprinted by Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, 1978. Repr. 1982., Page: 73




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There doesn't seem to be any definitive evidence that the Charles City County Robert is the same person as the Gloucester County Robert. The place of death is therefore much more likely to be Gloucester County. The reference to the 1663 Charles City County deed should include an explanation that it isn't certain (or even likely) that it refers to the Robert who lived in Gloucester County.

The alleged place of birth should be deleted, as there isn't any real support for that either as yet. Apparently, there was a Coleman family living there who used some of the same (very common) given names, but that certainly isn't definitive enough evidence, as discussed here by the author of The Coleman of Family Mobjack Bay: https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~mobjackbaycolemans/genealogy/g02englishroots.htm

Also, Robert Coleman lived in a VERY burned county (Gloucester). Yet the list of his children is presented uncritically, without acknowledging that there is only limited primary source support for identifying them as his children. The loss of the Abingdon Parish register prior to 1677 and the loss of nearly all Gloucester County public records except for state land and tax records makes it difficult if not impossible to say who his children were with relative certainty. More research needs to be done in neighboring and regional counties whose records are more intact.

posted by Jaye Drummond
edited by Jaye Drummond
Hi Jaye, with all that said, it seems possible that two men of the same name have been confused and conflated. Are you willing and able to try and sort out the information for the two possible Robert's so that we can separate and correct the information for each?
Activity Review: Regarding the 27 Feb 2023 edit, what are the reliable sources for the birth in 1622-09-00 in Brent Eleigh, Suffolk, England, and the death in 1688-12-00? There is discussion of a Robert with a 1622 birth in the Research Notes, and no mention of a 1688 death in the Biography. If this has been resolved, and can be reliably sourced, these should be addressed in the Biography.

Ken Spratlin, Managed Profiles Coordinator, US Southern Colonies Project

posted by Ken Spratlin
What is the reliable source placing Robert and his wife back in England for the births of their children Robert, Richard, and Elizabeth?

Are these 3 children conflated?

posted by Ken Spratlin
I don't see a profile for Richard. Robert and Elizabeth, on their profiles, have their birth location as Virginia (although different counties). I would recommend that the sources linked to their names on this profile be eliminated.
Changes to a project protected profile, such as made recently, should be placed in a Research Notes section and preferably first discussed with the project and interested persons before deleting and changing information. I've spent close to an hour wading through everything and trying to restore deleted information and moving notes, deleting duplicate notes, etc. If others note additional items that were deleted, please add them. Thanks.
A nearly identical record to the one cited for the baptism of Robart, son of Richard is for the 1622 burial of Robart, son of Richard in the same location, "Castle Sowerby with Sebergham, Cumberland, England" (both records show just 1622 - no month or day).

"England, Cumbria Parish Registers, 1538-1990", database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4JY2-59N2 : 6 April 2022), Robart Colmon, 1622.

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Maybe it's in there, and I just didn't see it, but why is he referred to as a "Colonel"?
posted by Harold Bullock
The narrative indicates that the parents are not proven, but they are still attached. If we want to keep them attached, we need to find sources that support them as his parents. Does anyone have any?
posted by Jillaine Smith
they're marked as Uncertain - according to https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:Uncertain

An Uncertain name or parent may be speculative but it should not be a guess. If you're only guessing at a name or parent you should not use the data fields. Instead, explain it in the narrative. You can link to highly speculative parents in the text.

I suppose it's down to the interpretation of the bio's "Parentage unknown maybe the son of Richard Coleman and Rebecca (Claiborne) Coleman." ... is that "not proven" or "only guessing"?

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Lacking any source or discussion of the speculation, I'd say it's a guess. If someone knows where this theory came from and what's behind it, then it may make sense to keep parents and keep them marked as uncertain, but as currently written, it comes off as a guess.
posted by Jillaine Smith
Four months have passed with no sources or any explanation as to how the current parents were decided upon..It still says in the bio that parents are unknown. The guessed at parents likewise have still not been sourced. I would agree that the parents should be detached.
posted by Joe Farler
Done. Links added to narrative in case someone down the line finds evidence for the connection.

Liz, could you please project-protect this profile? Thanks.

posted by Jillaine Smith
edited by Jillaine Smith
Thanks Jillaine. Profile's PPP now.
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Jillaine, I have run across an actual document, Source citation for Somerset, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials, 1531-1812 Somerset, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials, 1531-1812, https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/60856/images/engl78030_d-p-b-hl-2-1-1_m_00032?pId=1922800, states that Robert Colman was baptized 11 Nov 1632 in Bishops Hull, Somerset, England. Father is Richard Colman. Is it possible that we have the wrong DOB and place? Family Search also has his father listed as Richard, https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4JY2-5M6Z but a different birthdate.
Ms Campos, how do we know that the Robert of that baptism record is the emigrant to Virginia?
posted by Jillaine Smith
We don't know 100%, but the timeline fits. It is my understanding that genealogy isn't always precise because birth, baptism, and death weren't always recorded. Hopefully someone, someday will find the definitive answer.
It's rarely 100% certain, but it still needs to be more than a guess before we can rely upon it to make a claim about his parents. If this Robert Coleman emigrated as a headright in 1638, then he was likely at least a teenager by 1638 and therefore born in about 1623 or earlier. Assuming an infant baptism in England near the time of his birth, there are many Robert Colemans who were baptized consistent with that timeline. In addition to the 1623 baptism at Stokesby that Liz describes in her comment below, a search in the FamilySearch database "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975" for a Robert Coleman baptized in England between 1610-1625 yields at least seven more possible candidates. And as you point out, it's possible that that the Robert Coleman who emigrated in 1638 was not baptized as an infant in England, or that no record was made of his baptism, or that the record has been lost, or that it just hasn't been indexed in any of the databases we have searched yet. Unfortunately, I think the identity of his parents remains a mystery for now.
posted by Scott McClain
and even immigration in 1638 cannot be said with certainty - in or before 1638, yes, but headrights may be claimed years after the fact.

"Bob's Genealogical Filing Cabinet" has an excellent article on headrights: https://genfiles.com/articles/headrights/

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
a search of freereg.org.uk comes up with 3 Robert Colemans baptized in England between 1620 and 1635 (one in Somerset - in 1626, son of Thomas). Searching with soundex, witnesses & family members selected returns 93 records, 12 in Somerset, including the one you found:

Also found, a baptism on 9 May 1623 -

In short - we cannot pick one out of multiple baptism records based on "Robert born 1622 in England" (and while "born 1622" could be better supported, it's as good a guess as any).

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Can you ple@se transcribe what it says for those of us without an ancestry,com subscription? Thanks!
posted by Jillaine Smith

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