Alberic
(Aubri II)
"Count of Dammartin"
de Dammartin
formerly Dammartin aka de Luzarches
Born about in Dammartin, Ile de France, France
[uncertain]
Ancestors [uncertain]
Brother of
Basilia (Dammartin) de Condet [half]
Husband of
Joan (Basset) de Dammartin
— married
[date unknown] [location unknown]
Husband of
Mathilde (Clermont) de Dammartin
— married
about 1164 in France
Descendants 
Father of
Renaud (Dammartin) de Dammartin, Alice (Dammartin) de Trie, Juliana (Dammartin) de Gournay, Agnes (Dammartin) de Fiennes, Clemence (Dammartin) de St Omer and Simon (Dammartin) de Dammartin
Died
at about age 62
in Lillebonne, Normandie, France [uncertain]
[uncertain]
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Biography
While several standard sources state that Joan Basset was the mother of Alberic II, giving a rough marriage date of Alberic I and Joan as "ca 1160", even if this date is not accurate, it is patently clear that Joan could not have been Alberic II's mother. Joan Basset is known to have married twice before her marriage to Alberic I, with her second marriage occurring "circa 1152". This, combined with all other known chronology for Alberic II and his antecedents, has resulted in a change in thought among the professional genealogical community. It is now accepted that Alberic II was the son of his father's first wife. (Ref; Geneajourney 30 Nov 2014)
Marriage
Alberic III de Dammartin married, firstly Joan Basset (as her third husband) ca. 1159/60. There is no known child of this marriage.
He married, secondly after 1162, Mathilde/Mahaut de Clermont, daughter of Renaud de Clermont (-en-Beauvais). They had several children:
Children
- Renaud, Count of Dammartin, who was deprived of Dammartin by Philip Augustus
- Simon, Count, jure uxoris, of Ponthieu
- Raoul
- Alix, wife of Jean de Trie
- Agnès, married Guillaume de Fiennes
- Clémence, married Jacques de Saint-Omer
- a daughter? grandmother of Enguerrand and Renaud de Picquigny (Cawley)
- Juliane (unproven) wife of Hugues de Gournay.
Alberic died in Lillebonne in 1200 and was buried in the abbey of Jumièges[1].
Birth
- About:1135-00-00
- Dammartin, Ile DE France, France[2]
Death
- 1200 9 19
- London, England[3]
Burial
- Jumieges, France[4]
Research Notes
This is Alberic (Aubri) III de Danmartin, son of Alberic II and ---. The family name "Mello" would be explained by the theory that this Dammartin family would be descended from Aubry de Mello - see https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_de_Dammartin-Montdidier#Hugues_de_Dammartin, https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famille_de_Mello, https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_de_Dammartin. I cannot judge of the accuracy of this, but even if incorrect, it can still explain the name of Mello given to Alberic de Dammartin. Rassinot-1 21:52, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
Sources
- ↑ Aubry II Dammartin, Charles Cawley, Medieval Lands, Paris Region - Clermont & Dammartin, Chap. 2B Comtes de Dammartin. Accessed Sept 2018
- ↑ Source: #S96 Data: Text: Date of Import: Jul 25, 2005
- ↑ Source: #S96 Data: Text: Date of Import: Jul 25, 2005
- ↑ Source: #S96 Data: Text: Date of Import: Jul 25, 2005
See also:
- Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City: the author, 2013), volume 2, p 381. Richardson places this Aubrey as the son of Aubrey and his first wife Maud. He further states that Maud is "possibly daughter of William St Clair of Huntingtonshire."
- Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City: the author, 2013), volume I, page 470 BOULOGNE 7. "Guillaume (or William) de Fiennes, born say 1170. He married (1st) Isabel _____. They had no known issue. He married (2nd) before 1 Jan. 1204 Agnes De Dammartin, daughter of Aubrey II, Count of Dammartin, by Mahaut, daughter of Renaud II, Count of Clermont-en-Beauvaisis. They had three sons, Enguerrand (or Ingram), Michael [Rector], and Baldwin, and four daughters, Mahaut (wife of Baldwin III, Count of Guines), Katherine, ______ (wife of Flamunscheye) and allegedly _____ (wife of Bartholomew de Hampden).
- Source: S96 Record ID Number: MH:S96 User ID: CCD7662F-AD30-47C8-B9BC-6B348174ACE3 Title: Eula Maria McKeaig II - 061204
- http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/parclerdam.htm#AubryIIDammartindied1200B
- http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/1997-02/0855106136
- http://www.geneajourney.com/dammrtn.html#alberic2
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Richardson at the above citation places this Aubrey as the son of Aubrey and his first wife Maud. He further states that Maud is "possibly daughter of William St Clair of Huntingtonshire."
Guillaume (or William) De Fiennes, born say 1170. He married (1st) Isabel _____. They had no known issue. He married (2nd) before 1 Jan. 1204 Agnes De Dammartin, daughter of Aubrey II, Count of Dammartin, by Mahaut, daughter of Renaud II, Count of Clermont-en-Beauvaisis. They had three sons, Enguerrand (or Ingram), Michael [Rector], and Baldwin, and four daughters, Mahaut (wife of Baldwin III, Count of Guines), Katherine, ______ (wife of Flamunscheye) and allegedly _____ (wife of Bartholomew de Hampden).
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