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Anne Duhérisson (aft. 1633 - 1711)

Born after in Thury, Normandie, Francemap
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of — married 6 Aug 1648 in Trois-Rivières, Canada, Nouvelle-Francemap
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Died before age 78 in Champlain, Canada, Nouvelle-Francemap
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Anne Duhérisson lived in Canada, New France, now Québec, Canada.
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NOTE
Anne du Hérisson d'après un acte passé devant Séverin Ameau en 1691 a fait un contrat de mariage avec Antoine Desrosiers le 24 novembre 1647 sous seing privé.

Déclaration de Guillaume Pepin, de Trois-Rivières, à la requête de Anne Du Hérisson, veuve de Anthoine Desrosiers, de Champlain, concernant un contrat de mariage sous seing privé entre ledit Desrosiers et ladite Du Hérisson, en date du 24 novembre 1647 (15 août 1691). Vol XXVI pg 14 Notaire Séverin Ameau (source dans les notes en bas)

Guillaume Pépin fait la déclaration au sujet du contrat de mariage d'Anne du Hérisson, fait sous seing privé, entre feu Antoine Desrosiers et ladite du Hérisson sa veuve en date du 24 novembre 1647, dans lequel contrat est porté que le défunt sieur du Hérisson en présence des parents et bons amis desdits contractants a promis donner au nom de ladite fille audit Desroziers ledit mariage parfait la somme de cinq cent livres d'argent, ... (énumération d'objets et bestiaux et exclusions) la minute était demeurée entre les mains dudit feu sieur du Hérisson et a été brûlée en l'embrasement de sa dite maison. [1] Nulle part n'est-elle dite être la fille de Michel du Hérisson.

La transcription d'un supposé contrat de mariage daté de 1648 qu'on trouve en image sur le profil, transcrit ci-bas, n'est pas un contrat de mariage original. C'est une transcription d'un fragment d'archives trouvé on ne sait où.

Les théories abondent quand à savoir si oui ou non Anne était fille de Michel Le Neuf Sieur du Hérisson. Certains la croient sa fille illégitime, vu l'absence d'un mariage de Michel en France.

Elle pourrait tout aussi bien être sa fille adoptive, sans lien de parenté autre. On n'a aucun document prouvant une version plus qu'une autre présentement. L'acte devant Séverin Ameau fait en 1691 a été trouvé, voir ci-haut.

Elle demeure donc détachée de Michel Leneuf pour cette raison. Absence de preuve.

Anne du Hérisson per an act done before Séverin Ameau in 1691 entered into a marriage contract with Antoine Desrosiers on 24 November 1647 under private seal.

Declaration of Guillaume Pepin, of Trois-Rivières, at the request of Anne Du Hérisson, widow of Anthoine Desrosiers, of Champlain, concerning a marriage contract under private seal done between the said Desrosiers and the said Du Hérisson, dated 24 November 1647 (15 Aug 1691). Vol XXVI pg 14 Notary Séverin Ameau (source in below notes)

Guillaume Pépin made his declaration about the marriage contract of Anne du Hérisson, done under private seal, between the late Antoine Desrosiers and the said du Hérisson his widow dated 24 November 1647, in which contract was stated that the late sieur du Hérisson in the presence of parents and good friends of the said contractants promised to give in the name of the said girl to the said Desroziers, the said marriage accomplished, the sum of 500 livres cash, ... (enumeration of objects and beasts and exclusions) the minute had remained in the hands of the said late sieur du Hérisson and was burned during the fire of his said house. [1] Nowhere is she said to be the daughter of Michel du Hérisson.

The transcription of a supposed marriage contract dated from 1648 which can be seen as an image on this profile, transcribed below, is not an original marriage contract. It is a transcription of an archival fragment found somewhere unknown.

Theories abound as to whether or not Anne was daughter of Michel Le Neuf Sieur du Hérisson. Some believe her to be his illegitimate daughter, due to the absence of a marriage for Michel in France.

She could just as easily be his adoptive daughter, with no other family tie at all. We have no document proving one version more than another presently. The act before Séverin Ameau done in 1691 has been found, see above.

She therefore remains detached from Michel Leneuf for this reason. Absence of proof.

Contents

Biography

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Anne Duhérisson migrated from France to New France.
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Drapeau identifiant les profils du Canada, Nouvelle-France
Anne Duhérisson lived
in Canada, Nouvelle-France.

Anne came to Nouvelle France on June 11th 1636 from Bourg de Thiery, France. She was among the forty five passengers brought by M. de Montmagny to Trois-Riviere, Québec.[2] At her marriage to Antoine Desrosiers, she was listed with the last name of Duhérisson- Michel Le Neuf Sieur Duhérisson. On her burial date at the age of seventy eight on October 16, 1711 she is listed by the name of Anne Desrosiers.[3] Entered by Givogue-4. [4]


Traité de mariage de Desrosiers et Anne Duhérisson

6 Août 1648 Au traité de mariage qui au plaisir de Dieu sera faite et parfait en faces de Notre Mère Ste-Église Catholique Apostolique et Romaine entre Antoine Desrosiers natif du Bourg de Renaison pays de Lyonnais en France et Anne Duhérisson native du Bourg de Thiéry en Normandie tous deux de présent demeurant en cette habitation de Trois Rivière, lesquels présence de leurs parent et bons amis le sont promis la Foy de mariage respectivement l’un et l’autre avec promesse de l’épouses en faveur duquel accord le Sieur Duhérisson présence présence des susdits parents et bons amis a promis donner au nom de la dite fille au dit Desrosiers le dit mariage parfait et accompli[5] Transcrit par Givogue-4

Enterrement de Anne Desrosiers

Le 16e du mois d’octobre de l’année 1711 par moi prêtre soussigné faisant les fonctions curiales dans la paroisse de Notre-Dame de la Visitation de Champlain a été inhumé dans le cimetière du dit lieu Anne Desrosiers décédé ce jour ’hui âgée d’environ quatre-vingt-dix ans, après avoir démunie de tous les sacrements. Le tout en présence des prêtre Troisuille Caillia, Dizy, et de plusieurs autre parents et amis, lesquels ont signé de ce requis suivant l’ordonnance. S. Lazeur Delormes pretre.[6] Transcrit par Givogue-4


Her legitimate (natural or biological) mother is not known. It is possible that she was illegitimate or that her biological mother died in childbirth or at another time before they embarked on their voyage.

Anne was born around 1633. Anne le Neuf du Hérisson ... She passed away in 1711.

Anne came to Nouvelle France on June 11th 1636 from Bourg de Thiery in, Normandy, France. She was among the forty five passengers brought by M. de Montmagny to Trois-Riviere, Québec.[7] In 1958 to 1961, the French channel CBC made 124, 30 minutes episode, on the adventures of Michel Leneuf, a courier in Nouvelle France, a series called Le Courrier du roy. Assisted by his Native American companion Kiwi, he travels the country to deliver important messages to the authorities and battle the British and the Iroquois. At the wedding day with Antoine Desrosiers she was given a dowry from Sieur Duhérisson and is listed by the last name of Duhérisson.[8]

"'Petites histoires du nos ancêtres en Nouvelle-France: Michel Le Neuf, Sieur du Hérisson', February 28, 2011: 'Mentionnons d’abord la présence de la mère, Jeanne Le Marchand, veuve de Mathieu Le Neuf accompagnée de ses quatre enfants :

- Michel Leneuf , sieur du Hérisson âgé de 35 ans et sa fille Anne(notre ancêtre) âgée de trois ans.
- Jacques Le Neuf, Sieur de la Poterie, 30 ans et son épouse Marguerite Legardeur et leur fille Marie-Anne âgée d’environ trois ans. Jacques sera gouverneur de Trois-Rivières de 1645 à 1662 et même gouverneur intérimaire de la Nouvelle-France...

Il laisse une fille Anne, notre ancêtre, selon toute probabilité une enfant illégitime[20] . Le lien paternel est reconnu dans son contrat de mariage avec Antoine Desrosiers en 1647. Elle dispose d’une dot de 500 livres. Cette somme est importante, mais nettement inférieure à la somme que la sœur de Michel, Marie avait reçu en 1636 à son mariage avec Jean Godefroy, sieur de Lintot (1 800 livres)[21].'

[Loosely translation:] 'First mention of presence of mother, Jeanne Le Marchand, widow of Mathieu Le Neuf, accompanied by her four children:

- Michel Leneuf hedgehog Sieur 35 years old and his daughter Anne (our ancestor) aged three.
- Jacques Le Neuf , Sieur Pottery, 30 and his wife Marguerite Legardeur and their daughter Marie-Anne aged about three years. Jacques will be governor of Trois-Rivières from 1645 to 1662 and even acting governor of New France... When Michel Le Neuf died October 26, 1672 in Trois-Rivières, about sixty-one years old, he was still single or widowed... never married in New France... leaves a daughter Anne, our ancestress, in all probability an illegitimate child [20] . The paternal bond is recognized in his marriage contract with Antoine Desrosiers in 1647. She has a dowry of 500 pounds. This money is important, but significantly less than the amount the sister of Michael, Mary had received in 1636 her marriage to John Godfrey , lord of Lintot (1800 pounds) [21].'" [9]

Event

Type: Arrival
Date: 1636
Place: Quebec, Canada[10]
  • Marriage
Anne & Antoine Desrosiers
24 November 1647, Trois-Rivières, Canada (contract notary Flour La Boujonnier)
Known children noted in French section

Recensement 1666 Census: Les Trois-Rivières
Antoine des Rosiers, 46, habitant ; Anne du Hérisson, 34, sa femme ; Michel, 13 ; Jean, 8 ; Anne, 4 ; Antoine, 2 ; Jacques Bourdin, 22, domestique. Urbain Baudry dit Lamarche, 47, taillandier, habitant ; Magdelaine Boucher, 32, sa femme ; Marie, 15 ; Joseph, 12 ; Guillaume, 9 ; Jeanne, 7 ; Magdelaine, 4 ; Marguerite, 1 ; Pierre Joly, 50, domestique.[11]

Recensement 1667 Census: PETIT CAP DE LA MADELEINE

Antoine des Rozier, 48 ; Anne du Hérison, 30 ; Michel, 14 ; Jean, 9 ; Anne, 5 ; Antoine, 4 ; 5 bestiaux, 15 arpents en valeur.[11]
  • Death
Date: 16 OCT 1711
Place: Champlain, Canada[12][13]
  • Burial
16 OCT 1711
Champlain, Canada
Name on record: Anne Desroziers
Age estimated on record: around 90

See Also

  • Jean Artault dit La Tour plaintiff, against Anne du Hérisson (Duhérisson )
Titre - Requête de Jean Artault (Harteau) dit La Tour (Latour) , émancipé d'âge procédant sous l'autorité de Jacques Sauvage, son curateur, comparaissant par Daniel Normandin, son procureur, demandeur, à l'encontre de Anne du Hérisson (Duhérisson), veuve du défunt Antoine Desroziers (Desrosiers), demeurant à Champlain, comparaissant par Jean-Guy Vacher Laserte (Lacerte), demeurant à Trois-Rivières, son procureur, défenderesse. Le demandeur réclame que la défenderesse rende compte et remplisse l'inventaire qui a été fait après le décès de Pierre Artault et Louise Manitouaquicouch (Manitouakikoué), sa veuve, ses père et mère, duquel ledit défunt Desroziers était tuteur créé par justice ainsi que de Marie Artault, sa soeur, à présent femme de Michel Desroziers. Ledit Laserte, au nom de la défenderesse, réplique qu'il requiert un délai de 40 jours pour voir elle accepte ou renonce à la communauté. Il est ordonné qu'un délai de 40 jours soit accordé à ladite défenderesse [14]

Biographie

  • Elle est aussi connue sous le nom de Anne Leneuf du Hérisson, Anne Leneuf 6, 7, Anne Le Neuf du Hérisson 5 et Anne du Herrison 4.
  • Contrairement à ce qui est écrit dans la source citée, elle n'est pas la fille de Jeanne Le Marchand et Sieur Mathieu Leneuf du Hérisson.
  • Elle nait vers 1632 à Thury-Harcourt, Normandie, France 2, 3, 9, 10, 11.
  • Le contrat de mariage de Anne du Hérisson et Antoine des Rosiers est signé le 24 novembre 1647 à Trois-Rivières, Canada 5, 12, 13.
  • Recensement 1666: LES TROIS-RIVIÈRES: Antoine des Rosiers, 46, habitant ; Anne du Hérisson, 34, sa femme ; Michel, 13 ; Jean, 8 ; Anne, 4 ; Antoine, 2 ; Jacques Bourdin, 22, domestique. [11]
  • Recensement 1667: PETIT CAP DE LA MADELEINE: Antoine des Rozier, 48; Anne du Hérison, 30 ; Michel, 14 ; Jean, 9 ; Anne, 5 ; Antoine, 4 ; 5 bestiaux, 15 arpents en valeur.[11]

Recensement 1681 Census: CHAMPLAIN
Antoine des Rosiers 62 ; Anne du Herrisson, sa femme, 50 ; enfants : Jean 20, Antoine 17, Pierre 14, Marie 10 ; Arnault, domestique, 9 ; 4 fusils ; 4 pistolets ; 9 bêtes à cornes ; 40 arpents en valeur.[15]

  • Elle décède le 16 octobre 1711 à Champlain 12. Elle est inhumée sous le nom Anne Desroziers le même jour. On lui donne environ 90 ans sur l'acte.[16]
Liste de ses enfants connus(nés et baptisés à Trois-Rivières TR):
  1. Marie Des Roziers (16 Jun 1650 TR - ) ; mariée à Alexandre Raoul 19 Feb 1664 TR
  2. Michel Desrosiers dit Desilets (3 Sept 1652 TR- ); marié contrat privé 1679-01-14 (notaire Antoine Adhémar) Marie Thomas Artault
  3. Joseph Desrosiers (29 Jul 1655 TR- )
  4. Jean Desrosiers (29 Sept 1657 (bapt 30 TR) - 1704) ; marié à Marie Françoise Dandonneau 20 Jan 1682 Champlain
  5. Anne des Rosiers (12 Nov 1661 TR- 23 Feb 1731 Champlain) ; mariée à Jacques Turcot avant 1680 ; veuve remariée à Jean Debidabe 24 Apr 1702 Champlain
  6. Antoine des Rosiers (30 Aug 1664 TR- ) ; marié à Marie Renée Lepelle 26 Nov 1696 Champlain
  7. Pierre Desrosiers (1667 - ) ; marié à Marguerite Aubuchon 27 Apr 1693 Champlain
  8. Marie des Rosiers (1671 - ) (recensement 1681 ??? voir note)
  9. Marie-Jeanne Desrosiers (~1673- ) ; mariée à 14 ans à Claude Drouet de Richarville 18 Mar 1687 Champlain
(Note: possiblement Marie 8 et Marie Jeanne 9 sont la même fille et le recensement de 1681 a mésestimé son âge, aucune autre trace trouvée d'elle)


From Fichier Origine of Michel Leneuf

To summarize and translate above data, Michel was son of Mathieu and Jeanne Lemarchand, and arrived in the colony in 1636 with his mother (and siblings). His daughter Anne Leneuf married Antoine Desrosiers at Trois-Rivières, by marriage contract of 24 Nov 1647, notary Boujonnier; she is said to be illegitimate, for lack of proof of her father marrying.

Research notes

FLOUR LA BOUJONNIER
Le 10 février 1649, Flour La Boujonnier signe une pièce officielle comme secrétaire du gouverneur d’Ailleboust. Il était probablement arrivé dans le pays l'année précédente avec M. d’Ailleboust. Flour La Boujonnier fut le premier tabellion ou notaire des Trois-Rivières. Son premier acte est du 19 juin 1650. Il fut tué par les Iroquois le 18 août 1652. Les quelques actes reçus par Flour La Boujonnier sont disparus.[17]

The above surmises that Flour la Boujonnier had arrived in 1648, but a search in Drouin collection finds him being godfather to a native child on 11 Aug 1647 in Trois-Rivières. Any actual contracts he may have done have reportedly not survived, so the marriage contract cited above cannot be verified visually. Although there must be some mention of it elsewhere for its date etc to be known about.

Le contrat de mariage du pionnier est cité dans un acte du 15-08-1691 greffe Séverin Ameau, à Trois-Rivières.[18]
Déclaration de Guillaume Pepin, de Trois-Rivières, à la requête de Anne Du Hérisson, veuve de Anthoine Desrosiers, de Champlain, concernant un contrat de mariage sous seing privé entre ledit Desrosiers et ladite Du Hérisson, en date du 24 novembre 1647 (15 août 1691). Vol XXVI pg 14 Notaire Séverin Ameau[19]

From Antoine Desrosiers's fichier origine, we learn that his marriage contract with Anne Leneuf du Hérisson is cited in an act of 15 Aug 1691 of Notary Séverin Ameau in Trois-Rivières.

There is another woman named Marie Anne Leneuf, who is born around 1632 in Thury-Harcourt (daughter of Jacques and Marguerite Legardeur) That is the woman who would be named de la Poterie, since that was Jacques' title. Ours gets named du Hérisson or Leneuf only. The two may have been confused together. The 2 marriages run concurrently, with children born to both couples in same time period, so she is definitely a different woman. (verified in Drouin collection)


Marie Anne Leneuf, fille de Jacques, sieur de la Poterie et Marguerite Legardeur de Tilly, mariée à René Robineau, sieur de Bécancour et Portneuf, 21 Oct 1652 contrat Séverin Ameau Trois Rivières, née vers 1632 Thury-Harcourt (Calvados) première mention 1636 (source: Fichier Origine on the family)

Quand Michel Le Neuf meurt le 26 octobre 1672 à Trois-Rivières, il est âgé d’environ soixante et onze ans. Il est toujours célibataire ou veuf, Il ne s’est jamais marié en Nouvelle-France. Il laisse une fille Anne, notre ancêtre, selon toute probabilité une enfant illégitime. Le lien paternel est reconnu dans son contrat de mariage avec Antoine Desrosiers en 1647. Elle dispose d’une dot de 500 livres. Cette somme est importante, mais nettement inférieure à la somme que la sœur de Michel, Marie avait reçu en 1636 à son mariage avec Jean Godefroy, sieur de Lintot (1 800 livres).[20]


Les documents nous renseignent bien peu sur sa vie privée. À son arrivée en Nouvelle-France, il était célibataire, ou veuf, car il emmenait une fillette de quatre ans, toujours nommée Anne Du Hérisson, et non Anne Leneuf Du Hérisson. Il est possible, comme on l’a prétendu, qu’elle ait été sa fille naturelle. Aucune précision n’est donnée dans le contrat de mariage de cette jeune fille avec Antoine Desrosiers, le 24 novembre 1647.[21]

The documents provide us with very little information about his private life. When he arrived in New France he was single or a widower, for he brought out with him a little girl of four who still bore the name Anne Du Hérisson and not Anne Leneuf Du Hérisson. It is possible, as has been claimed, that she was his illegitimate daughter. No precise information is given in this young woman’s marriage contract with Antoine Desrosiers dated 24 Nov. 1647." [22]

(NOTE: Elle est nommée Anne Leneuf dans au moins 2 documents, des baptêmes des ses enfants/she gets named Anne Leneuf on at least 2 documents, baptisms of her children ref Coll. Drouin)

Link for further possible research on the family: [9] (in French)

Note

Additional reference: 29-6.
A short bio of Antoine Desrosiers acquired from the internet (copy filed 29-2).
"Your Ancient Canadian Family Ties"-Olivier pg 95.
"Recueil de Genealogies des Comtes de Charlevoix et Saguenay"-Gerard pg 168.
Jette pg 348; 713.
1667 Census of Quebec Vol II pg 47.
Origin of French Canadian Families Godbout pg 84.
Our French Canadian Ancestors-Laforest Vol II Chap 8 pg 55 & 59.
1666 census of Trois-Rivieres shows this family as follows: Antoine des Rosiers, age 46; his wife Anne du Herisson, age 34; children: Michel, age 13; Jean, age 8; Anne, age 4; Antoine, age 2; domestic: Jacques Bourdin, age 22;.source filed in censuses.
Tanguay Vol I pg 192; 381; 396.
"Complement au Tanguay"-Leboeuf series 2 pg 90.
"La Conquete du Canada par les Normands"-Godbout pg 171.
According to Jette pg 713 she was born out of wedlock in France to a woman who died before her father came to Canada and brought her with him. However, Tanguay Vol I pg 381 shows her as the daughter of Jeanne LeMarchand.(which is an error, she arrived with her father and her grandmother Jeanne LeMarchand)
Add'l info acquired from the net (copy filed 29-3).
Family group sheet of #883 from Sue Rood genealogy (filed Sue Rood papers).
Ancestry.com download named 28817.ged (copy filed 29-2).
The Grand Families from the internet (copy filed 29-2).
htt--p://membres.lycos.fr/ancetre/LeNeufM.htm> (copy filed 29-6), also in her father's internal textfile. (web browser site)
Jette pg 348 states born in France to a mother, name unknown, who died before she and her father came to Canada in 1636.
htt--p://membres.lycos.fr/ancetre/desrosiers.htm< (copy filed 29-2 also in her spouse's internal textfile).
Marriage contravt (c. 24 Nov 1647 Boujonnier).
LDS Ancestral File, family group record of #892 (copy filed 29-4). (Lycos site gone)

The following was acquired from: http://www.francogene.com/genealogie-quebec/000/156.php> a translated version follows:
Here the family of Antoine DESROSIERS and Anne LENEUF of the HERISSON!
DESROSIERS, Antoine (Antoine & Sylvie) , Baptized 1617-04-14 Renaison. (The Loire), France, Deceased 1691-08-08, Buried 1691-08-09 Champlain (Quebec)
Married 1647 Renaison (The Loire:), France, marriage contract 1647-11-24 (Notary Boujonnier)
LENEUF of the HERISSON, Anne (Michel LENEUF &.., according to DGFQ 348, born about 1632 (census-1666) Calvados, France.
1) Anne , born 1661-11-12, baptized 1661-11-12 Trois-Rivières, died 1731-02-23, buried 1731-02-24 Champlain, marriage contract 1674-04-04 heading 1674-04-14 (notary Guillaume Larue) Jacques TURCOT , married Champlain 1702-04-24 Jean Baptiste DEBIDABÉ aka TROISVILLE
2) Antoine , born 1664-08-30, baptized 1664-08-30 Trois-Rivières, deceased between 1737-06-17 and 1742-01 Berthierville, married Champlain 1696-11-26 Marie Renee LEPELLÉ
3) Jean , Married Champlain 1682-01-20 Marie Francoise Perrine DANDONNEAU
4) Marie , Baptized 1650-06-16 Trois-Rivières, Died After 1711-02-18, Married Trois-Rivières 1664-02-19 Alexandre RAUX
5) Marie Jeanne , born about 1671 (rec-1681, conf-1681), 1673 (m-1687), deceased after 1744-08-28, married Champlain 1687-03-18 Claude DROUET de RICHARVILLE
6) Michel , marriage contract under private signature 1679-01-14 (notary Antoine Adhémar) Marie Thomas ARTAULT
7) Pierre , Married Champlain 1693-04-27 Marguerite AUBUCHON
Other information on this family
Source or reference: Ferdinand Desrosiers; Program research in historical demography of the University of Montreal (Prdh-rab)

The following was acquired from[23]:(web page not available)
MICHEL LeNEUF du HÉRISSON
His only child and daughter, Anne born 1632 in the bourg of Thierry in Caen, Normandy married Antoine DesROSIERS in 1649 is my direct ancestor.
Antoine Desrosiers and Anne duHérisson had eight children. Sons Jean born 1657 and Antoine born 1664, were members of an association created in 1683 between nine men from Champlain for the purpose of fur trading. The composition of these associates is noteworthy in that it concentrated the power of three influential families in the region: Dandonneau (Huguenot fur-trading merchants), Chorel and Aubuchon. Jean's wife was Françoise Dandonneau. The association dissolved after the summer of 1688 when Jacques Babie, merchant and principal investor, died.
All the sons were involved in the business of procuring and selling furs. Son, Michel dit Desilets born 1652 married Thomasse Artault the daughter of an Algonquin and a fur trader, son Jean dit LeFrenière married Françoise Dandonneau as mentioned above, Antoine dit DuTremble was part of the syndicate mentioned above and received a passport in 1689 to trade in the west. The west, in this case, was probably no further than the Great Lakes. To control the furtrading and collect appropriate taxes, the French government issued passports (permits), a form of license. They were difficult to acquire since in many years, only 25 were issued. To conduct fur trading or to travel west withouta passport was considered illegal and subject to punishment, most often fines or the confiscation of furs.
Son, Pierre dit Dargy born around 1667 married Marguerite AUBUCHON whose uncle was active in the trade.
Anne LeNeuf duHérisson died in Champlain in October 1711 at the age of 79.

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 FamilySearch, Séverin Ameau, Actes, pg 2252-2255/2436 déclaration de Guillaume Pépin, original
  2. Sulte, Benjamin, Pages d’histoire du Canada, Montréal , 1891. p. 225
  3. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Notre-Dame-de-la-Visitation, Champlain, QC pg.245 FamilySearch
  4. edited 2/6/19: http://www.biographi.ca/en/bio/leneuf_du_herisson_michel_1E.html
  5. Registres photographies aux Archives d’Ottawa Ont. à 1654 Trois-Rivières extraits de vieux document (The copyrights in the Leneuf are being disputed in G2G and this image has been removed until further notice.)
  6. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Notre-Dame-de-la-Visitation, Champlain, Québec Canada Image 256 pg.245 Click this number to go to the actual web site[1]
  7. Sulte, Benjamin, Pages d’histoire du Canada, Montréal , 1891. p. 225
  8. edited 2/6/19: http://www.biographi.ca/en/bio/leneuf_du_herisson_michel_1E.html
  9. Vaillancourt
  10. Source: Page: Place: Quebec, Canada; Year: 1636; Page Number: 61. Data: Text: Birth date: abt 1632Birth place: Arrival date: 1636Arrival place: Quebec, Canada Note:
  11. 11.0 11.1 11.2 11.3 Wikisource: Recensements 1666-1667 Censuses selon Benjamin Sulte Histoire des Canadiens-français, Tome 4, chap. 4
  12. Source: Data: Text: Death date: 16 October 1711Death place: Champlain, Canada :
  13. 1711 Burial Record "Québec, registres paroissiaux catholiques, 1621-1979," database with images, FamilySearch (16 July 2014), Champlain > Notre-Dame-de-la-Visitation > Index, baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1679-1881 Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1679-1767 > image 254 of 555; Archives Nationales du Quebec (National Archives of Quebec), Montreal.
  14. BAnQ Archives, numerique, Documents-Partial Title-Titre - Requête de Jean Artault (Harteau) dit La Tour (Latour), émancipé d'âge procédant sous l'autorité de Jacques Sauvage, son curateur, comparaissant par Daniel Normandin, son procureur, demandeur, à l'encontre de Anne du Hérisson (Duhérisson), veuve du défunt Antoine Desroziers (Desrosiers), demeurant à Champlain, comparaissant par Jean-Guy Vacher Laserte (Lacerte), demeurant à Trois-Rivières, son procureur, défenderesse. Le demandeur réclame que la défenderesse rende compte et remplisse l'inventaire qui a été fait après le décès de Pierre Artault et Louise Manitouaquicouch (Manitouakikoué), sa veuve, ses père et mère, duquel ledit défunt Desroziers était tuteur créé par justice ainsi que de Marie Artault, sa soeur, à présent femme de Michel Desroziers.Date : 27 juillet 1694, Genre: Archives textuelles, Trois-Rivières (Québec : Ville), Tuteurs, Veuves Notice détaillée : TL3,S11,P2405, Fonds Juridiction royale des Trois-Rivières, BAnQ Trois-Rivières, [2] [3] [4] [5]
  15. Wikisource Recensement 1681 Census selon Benjamin Sulte Histoire des Canadiens-français, Tome 5, chap. 4
  16. Sépulture Anne Desrosiers IGD-Drouin
  17. [6] Notarial acts index, vol 1 page 150
  18. Fichier Antoine Desrosiers 2017
  19. BanQ Notarial acts index
  20. [7] histoires d'ancêtres
  21. [8] bio Michel Leneuf
  22. bio Michel Leneuf Biographi.ca English
  23. [http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MarjChapman/TRDUHERR.HTM]

Source: Généalogie Québec site de François Marchi.

3. Tanguay - Volume 1, p. 192
5. Tanguay - Volume 1, p. 192, 381
6. Noblesse Québécoise - Table 68A
11. Noblesse Québécoise - Table 134 (vers 1630)
12. Noblesse Québécoise - Table 134
13. Casgrain, Baby et Perreault - p. 164 (1649)

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One more note on Anne's possible parentage ... http://habitant.org/leneuf/index.htm?mibextid=Zxz2cZ&fbclid=IwAR22UJVhPxsakPv73kF_tjzlE2xz-t92mM0w6o__vuMUYacQODXLTMuKSbc the leNeuf Research Project. Somewhat persuasive but not definitive.
posted by Ross Ashley
thanks Ross, I had seen that before, doesn't actually go into Anne's parentage except as an aside. If you look in the sources, I recently found the declaration made about her marriage contrat before notary Séverin Ameau by one of the witnesses who was present at the original contract signing (#1). The contract itself is lost, what got posted as an image on here isn't it. Wrong date, modern handwriting etc.
posted by Danielle Liard
The question as to whether Anne LeNeuf du Hérisson is truly Michel's daughter is of course speculative, but as mentioned: "The paternal bond is recognized in his marriage contract with Antoine Desrosiers in 1647." (Sulte, Benjamin, Pages d’histoire du Canada, Montréal , 1891, p. 229.). According to René Jetté, the LeNeuf family were of Noble origins: Ref.: Jetté, René, Gagné, Roland-Yves DuLong, John Patrick, Leportier, Paul. Les Le Neuf : état des connaissances, Mémoires de la société généalogique canadienne-française, vol. 51 n°3, cahier 225, p213. My humble opinion is that my 8th great-grandmother was indeed Michel LeNeuf's illegitimate child. WikiTree should develop a different colour for these profiles (like a light blue or pink) to indicate that "some of the information may be speculative until proven otherwise" and proceed with building a tree. There is another "noble" Anne that I descend from (Anne Couvent) and she is my 9th great-grandmother. She descends from many royal houses (through her maternal branch). Please read Anne Couvent: Seven Royal Lineages with Arms: http://www.habitant.org/couvent/index.htm
Thank you, this has already been gone over extensively. We do not attach a child to parents based on speculation, we refer to the various debates on the subject. So far the evidence has not been found.
posted by Danielle Liard
I see we are still looking for definitive documentary proof of the relationship with Michel ... when it is not likely that such a relationship would be documented, especially in a Huguenot emigrant family who were later concerned with getting their minor noble status confirmed, and seem to have converted back to the Roman church. Wikitree does not recognise "probable" relationships. I agree that we are probably descendants of Michel but there is insufficient officially documented proof, e.g. from the Temple protestant in Caen. I had rather leave it open at this point.
posted by Ross Ashley
Have to read french :

Leneuf était un personnage influent en Nouvelle-France et occupait plusieurs postes importants dont celui de juge royal. Anne apportait en mariage une dot fort intéressante. Son père y avait d’ailleurs versé 500 livres, de la lingerie, de la vaisselle, une génisse et une truie en gestation. Pour Antoine il s’agissait donc d’une bien bonne affaire…

Source: Le Centre de généalogie francophone d’Amérique.

Now sorry for my english quality : So why a none-father would give 500 L for her daughter wedding and all the others things ? He was a royal judge and he had a really bad caracter (Selon certains écrits)...

I dont think he was really and he would be generous with a no body girl. He was in the boat at 35 years old with Anne and she was 3 years old. Anne Leneuf du Hérisson is maybe an illigetimate daughter of Michel Leneuf but she is, with no doubt, his daughter.

Its the same case for Jean-Baptiste de Repentigny, son of Pierre II Legardeur de Repentigny and Marie Cadieux. He was illegitimate and was not clearly identify in his baptism act as a child of Pierre II. You can find his baptism act : Jean-Baptiste Cadieu. 1698 - Institut de généalogie Drouin.

But a serious ouvrage identify J-B de Repentigny as the child of Pierre II Legardeur : P.422 Dictionnaire de la noblesse de la N-F https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k54249211.texteImage

So I saw really weird things and links on wikitree, but declare than Anne Leneuf du Herisson is not the daughter of Michel Leneuf du Hérisson... sounds not logical at all.

This genealogical link is accept too in  :

https://www.francogene.com/gfan/gfan/998/qrd.htm (I never saw francogene did a mistake before - You can test them)

Anne du Hérisson was daughter - probably illegitimate - of Michel Leneuf du Hérisson & N.N

posted by Jonathan Chenier-Daoust
edited by Jonathan Chenier-Daoust
Bonjour Jonathan,

svp voir la note que j'ai ajoutée en tête de profil. Il y a manque de preuve certaine. Denis Beauregard se base sur d'autres très souvent aussi, j'ai vu au moins une erreur pour cette cause dans ses publications. Il a corrigé le tir lorsque je lui en ai fait part.

Danielle

posted by Danielle Liard
Please :

LENEUF DU HÉRISSON, Michel 242489

Statut Célibataire

Date de naissance Vers 1601

Lieu d'origine Caen (Temple protestant) (Calvados) 14118

Lieu actuel Caen

Parents Mathieu LENEUF et Jeanne Lemarchand

Métier du père Sieur du Hérisson

Date de mariage des parents 05-12-1599

Lieu de mariage des parents Caen (Temple protestant, bans) (14118)

Première mention au pays 1636

Occupation à l'arrivée Migrant arrivé avec sa mère

Décès ou inhumation Trois-Rivières, 1672

Remarques

SA FILLE Anne Leneuf épouse Antoine Desrosiers à Trois-Rivières, par cm du 24-11-1647 greffe Boujonnier.

Son père Mathieu Leneuf, bourgeois, est décédé le 11-07-1619 à Caen (Calvados).

Sa mère Jeanne Lemarchand est née à Condé-sur-Noireau (Calvados).

Ses grands-parents paternels sont Jean Leneuf, bourgeois de Saint-Sauveur de Thury, et Marguerite Legardeur.

Ses grands-parents maternels sont Gervais Lemarchand, lieutenant du bailli de Condé-sur-Noireau (Mathurin et Marguerite Blanchard) et Venote de Saint-Germain (Olivier et Françoise de Breuil), se sont mariés le 20-05-1570 à Ussy (Calvados), cm du 21-04-1570 greffe Cherin. Identification* DGFQ, p. 713

Chercheur(s) John Dulong Référence* DGO, tome 1, p. 68 ; DBC, vol. 1, p. 478 Date de modification 2020-01-09

https://fichierorigine.com/recherche?numero=242489

posted by Jonathan Chenier-Daoust
edited by Jonathan Chenier-Daoust
From Trudel, Marcel, 1917- , Catalogue des immigrants, 1632-1662, Publication Date, 1983,

Paraphrased: Anne Du Hérisson, age 4, daughter of Michel Leneuf Du Hérisson, arrived in 1636. Anne married Antoine Desrosiers on Nov 24, 1647.

I'm including the reference as a FYI comment only. Trudel is often cited in similar . However, Trudel does not provide a source, meaning this may just be one of the unproven theories. In, of itself, the reference it is not sufficiently strong enough evidence to add Michel Leneuf Du Hérisson as her father. Nor is it sufficient evidence to re-open the debate on parentage.

posted by Peter Geary
The translation is wrong, a bride-to-be would not be referred to in her own marriage contract with a possessive pro-noun (his/her's-son/sa). From the moment of this contract on, she was not to be known as his (Michel Leneuf's) daughter, but Antoine Desrosier's wife. That is why they would not say "his said daughter", because as of that point legally she was no longer HIS but A daughter of Michel Leneuf and now HIS (Antoine Desrosier's) wife, even if she was a minor as was the case. It had to refer to her as a daughter and not her name because the father's testimony and wishes for the wedding preceded that. That is why it says "THE SAID DAUGHTER". I am in the legal profession. There is nothing more to add here and for future reference, people should not post disrespectful and erroneous replies, but POLITELY rebut with any ACCURATE information there might be to possibly contradict any assertions.
posted by [Living Lavigne]
the said girl is how it translates. If it was saying daughter it would have said SA dite fille and not LA dite fille
posted by Danielle Liard
And my french is not wrong, the marriage treaty would translate as "with promise to marry him in favor of which the sieur du Hérisson (Michel Leneuf) in... presence of his said relatives and friends promised to give in the name of the said daughter to the said Desrosiers the said marriage perfect and done ... " which was done because he was acting on her behalf as her father because she was still a minor, quit trolling my comments this is a public site.
posted by [Living Lavigne]
Well that is certainly not my intention, I just want as many of these profiles as possible to be truthful and accurate representations, that's all, and I was told to contact the Quebecois Project concerning this which I politely did over a week ago, I never received a reply, I don't know where they all are.
posted by [Living Lavigne]
Jamie, this is speculation, so stop it. Just stop. All you're achieving is to annoy people with your carping on this subject.
posted by Danielle Liard
Briefly to the marital status, since Father Godbout said Michel Leneuf was almost certainly engaged in a misalliance, this almost always was a disapproved secret marriage, so Anne would not have been illegitimate per say, and since there are no Annes on the Leneuf side, and they were protestant so wouldn't take a godparent's name, very likely the mother's name was Anne or her mother's was, and she very likely also died at childbirth as Anne was 3 years old when they came to Canada in 1636.
posted by [Living Lavigne]
I know the French system of nobility is exceedingly confusing, as it was very little reformed from the middle ages, but the rank of nobility of Écuyer was a high status (see attachment from Wikipedia, under ranks), this was the first official rank of nobility when they had to be registered with their respective provincial parliament, not to be confused with the lower rank of title ecuyer, which is what you referred to. Most of the "nobles" were petite noblesse (lower nobility) who owned noble rights but were not registered, and were only afforded the courtesy title of sieur, or seigneur generically. So when you see Écuyer or Chevalier behind all of their names in the high ranking families that is why.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_nobility#Titles,_peerage,_and_orders

posted by [Living Lavigne]
If this may help: «Écuyer» was not a nobility status. He was a servant - to a «chevalier» to the «king» and other similar function. See Litré dictionnary: [1]
posted by Gaston Tardif
I suppose the french is debatable, an unfortunate choice of wording in the document for the sake of later interpretation I guess. I am the first to disconnect these bogus lines where they exist, as I just got the managers of the Pierre Comeau profile to disconnect those false parents, but in this case the overall evidence is clearly in favor of the parentage, and no one will ever find any baptism for Anne Leneuf because it never existed, since she and her family were active protestants back in Normandie before coming to Canada.
posted by [Living Lavigne]