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Hester (Fowler) Collins (bef. 1621 - aft. 1688)

Hester "Esther" Collins formerly Fowler aka Rolfe
Born before in Marlborough, Wiltshire, Englandmap
Ancestors ancestors
Daughter of and [uncertain]
Wife of — married after 1642 (to 1652) [location unknown]
Wife of — married 1654 in Massachusetts Bay Colonymap
Descendants descendants
Died after after age 66 [location unknown]
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The Puritan Great Migration.
Hester (Fowler) Collins migrated to New England during the Puritan Great Migration (1621-1640).
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Biography

Hester (Fowler) Collins immigrated to New England as a child during the Puritan Great Migration (1621-1640).

Hester Fowler, daughter of Philip Fowler and Mary Unknown, was baptized April 2, 1621, Saint Mary, Marlborough, Wiltshire, England [1][2][3] vs baptized on March 16, 1619/20 as given in Anderson’s Great Migration.[4]

On 24 March 1634, Hester along with her parents and most of her siblings embarked on their voyage from Southampton, England. They arrived in New England in May 1634. [4] [5] [6] Hester’s oldest brother, John (age 22), stayed in Marlborough and married there the following year.

Hester married Ezra Rolfe about 1648. Ezra's probate record in 1652, noted that he had a widow, Hester Rolfe, and two children at that time. [7]

After Ezra's death in 1652, Hester married Robert Collins by about 1658. [8] Joseph Fowler (son of Joseph Fowler) testified that Robert Collins was his uncle, and Ezra and Daniel Rolfe both called Robert Collins their father.[9] Thus we can deduce that “the” Hester that was Collins' wife was indeed Hester Fowler and that she was also the widow of Ezra Rolfe. (See Disputed Marriages above for complete analysis.)

By 1679, Robert Collins and Hester moved to Haverhill in Norfolk County. This is evidenced by the following two land transactions:

  1. On 18 June 1679, Robert and Hester “sold 40 rods of land on the north side of Ipswich River, in common field on hill, bounded with the land…of Philip Fowler, Sr.[10]
  2. On 25 November 1679, Robert and Esther mortgaged “my now dwelling house in Ipswich, in the high street, bounded on North by Philip Fowler.” This estate was sold 26 January 1680 when of “Haverhill, County of Norfolk.”[10]

On 24 June 1682, Hester and her husband, Robert Collins, sold all their land (15 acres) in Haverhill.[10]

Robert died at Haverhill on 17 June 1688. His death record indicated he was husband of “Esther” implying that Hester was still living at the time of his death.[11]


Children

Children with Ezra Rolfe, all born at Ipswich:

  1. Ezra born about 1652.
  2. Daniel born about 1652.

Children with Robert Collins, all born at Ipswich:

  1. Philip, born on ___; died April 7, 1659. [8] [12]
  2. Hester, born on April 18, 1658 [13]; died on January 19, 1662/3 at Ipswich. [8] [12]
  3. Robert, born on March 15, 1659/60. [8] [13]
  4. Nathaniel, born on June 18, 1662. [8][13]
  5. Elizabeth, born on January 16, 1664/5. [13] [8]

Research Notes

Disputed Marriages:

Antiquarian Papers has the notation: “Robert Collins, Ipswich, called father by Ezra and Daniel Rolfe, and uncle by Joseph Fowlar.” [9] The original source of this article and the proof of Joseph's relationship to Hester Fowler Rolfe Collins (his paternal aunt, sister of his father Joseph Sr) and to the sons of Ezra Rolfe (Hester's wife prior to Robert Collins) comes from Joseph's testimony at the Ipswich Quarterly Court of March 1672. When testifying about a horse, brothers Ezra & Daniel Rolfe (sons of Ezra Sr) called their step-father Robert Collins "father Collins" and their testimony was followed immediately by Joseph's about the same horse of his "uncle Collins".[14]

Joseph Fowler’s maternal uncles were Henry Kimball, Richard Kimball, John Kimball, Thomas Kimball, Benjamin Kimball, Caleb Kimball, John Severance, Robert Dutch and Edward Allen. So, Joseph’s “uncels Collinges” would have to be a paternal uncle married to one of his father’s sisters. At the time of Joseph’s testimony, two of his paternal aunts were Margaret Coleman and Mary Chandler, so their husbands could not have been Joseph’s “uncels Collinges.” The only other paternal aunt was Hester. Robert Collin(g)’s wife’s name was Hester, meaning this undoubtedly was Hester Fowler. [10] [15][16] (Robert C. Anderson in the Great Migration series erroneously states there is no record of Hester, daughter of Phillip Fowler, in New England.) Furthermore, since Ezra Rolfe Jr. and Daniel Rolfe called Robert Collins ”father,” Hester Fowler must have been previously married to Ezra Rolfe Sr., and Robert Colling(s) was the step-father who raised them.

Matthew Stickney, in The Fowler Family mentions a number of land transfers etc. that he states relate to Phillip Fowler and daughter Hester, but only some of those are found in "Essex Land Deeds". ... key 1679 sale of property by Robert Collins that supposedly names Hester's father as Phillip Fowler and states that she inherited that property while her name was Bird (i.e. married to presumably Jathnell Bird) has not been found.[10] Stickney's work was apparently based mainly on "Ancient Records of Ipswich Vol 1"[17]

However, a search of Essex deeds for this transaction comes up empty. Robert Collins and his wife Ester (spelled also as Hester) did sell land to Joseph Belknap Sr. (acknowledged June 25, 1682) and to Ezra Rolfe (presumably Junior, acknowledged June 11, 1701) and Simon Stace/Stacey does appear in several deeds from the late 1680s onward but no such transaction between Collins and Stace is found.[18] Perhaps this 1679 transaction was recorded elsewhere; Stickney does not give his specific source. No reference to this transaction appears under the names of Bird, Collins, Fowler or Stacy (with various spellings) in the Ipswich & Essexx Quarterly Court records 1679-1686.

In this reference to the June 18, 1679 land sell by Robert Collins and wife Hester to Simon Stace, Stickney actually quotes part of the land description from an unknown source as bounded by …"land of Philip Fowler, Senior, towards the North East (being part of a lott that was formerly Phillip Fowler, sen'r, which he gave to his daughter Hester, in the time of her husband Bird, and hath beene long time parted by a stone wall, from the other land of the aforesayd Phillip." The use of a quote that uses old English words and spellings show that this was just not Stickney’s assertion, but a direct quote from either a town record or deed in a book that is not readily accessible. This quote seemingly proves Hester Fowler’s parentage, first marriage to Jathnell Bird, and subsequent marriage to Robert Collins (who apparently took over the land that Hester inherited from her father) and hopefully is not ignored just because we don’t have access to all the books, maps and documents that Stickney had.

Source notes

Haverhill Deaths

COLLINGS, Robert, h. Esther, June 17, 1688. (p. 378) [11]

Ipswich Births

COLLINGS, Elizabeth, d. Robert, Jan. 16, 1664. CTR (p. 100)
COLLINGS, Hester, d. Robert, Apr. 18, 1658. CTR (p. 100)
COLLINGS, Nathaniell, s. Robert, June 18, 1662. CTR (p. 100)
COLLINGS, Robert, s. Robert, Mar. 15, 1659. CTR (p. 100) [13]

Ipswich Deaths

Collings, Philip, s. Robert, Apr. 7, 1659. CTR (p. 530)
Collins, Hester, d. Robert, Jan. 19, 1662. CTR (p. 530) [12]

Sources

  1. "Wiltshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812" Marlborough, St Mary the Virgin > Parish Registers > 1602-1623 Image (accessed 1 July 2022)
  2. "England, Wiltshire, Church Records, 1518-1990", database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6DS1-DSTY : 25 February 2022), Phillip Fowle in entry for Hester Fowle, 1621.
  3. "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J93Z-492 : 20 September 2020), Phillip Fowle in entry for Hester Fowle, 1621.
  4. 4.0 4.1 Anderson, Robert C., George F. Sanborn, Jr., and Melinde Lutz Sanborn, Phillip Fowler in: Great Migration: Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635, Volume II, C-F, New England Historic Genealogical Society, Boston, Massachusetts 2001, p. 560-4 (Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2008.) https://www.americanancestors.org/DB115/i/7373/560/22174971
  5. Passengers on the Mary & John in: New England Historical and Genealogical Register, Volume 9, New England Historical and Genealogical, Boston, Massachusetts, 1855, p. 265-7
  6. Focus on Identification: Mary and John of Southampton: 1634 in: Great Migration Newsletter, Volume 17, p. 12 (Online Database: AmericanAncestors.org, New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2018.) https://www.americanancestors.org/DB1567/i/21161/12/426837239
  7. Essex County, MA: Early Probate Records, 1635-1681.Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2015. Vol. 1, pages 149-150.
  8. 8.0 8.1 8.2 8.3 8.4 8.5 Hoyt, David Webster, The Old Families of Salisbury and Amesbury, Massachusetts: With Some Related Families of Newbury, Haverhill, Ipswich, and Hampton, and of York County, Maine, Genealogical Publishing Co,, Baltimore, Maryland, Reprint: 2013, (p. 111-122
  9. 9.0 9.1 Caldwell, Augustine, Antiquarian Papers, Volumes 1-4, Ipswich, Massachusetts, 1879 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Antiquarian_Papers/ucUMAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Antiquarian+Papers,+Volumes+1-4,+by+Augustine+Caldwell,+Ipswich,+MA,&pg=RA2-PA11&printsec=frontcover
  10. 10.0 10.1 10.2 10.3 10.4 Stickney, Matthew Adams, The Fowler family: a genealogical memoir of the descendants of Philip and Mary Fowler, of Ipswich, Mass. Ten generations: 1590-1882, Salem Press, Salem, Massachusetts, 1883, p. 26
  11. 11.0 11.1 Vital Records of Haverhill Massachusetts to the End of the Year 1849: Volume II: Marriages and Deaths, The Topsfield Historical Society, Topsfield, Massachusetts, 1911
  12. 12.0 12.1 12.2 Vital Records of Ipswich Massachusetts to the End of the Year 1849: Volume II: Marriages and Deaths, The Essex Institute, Salem, Massachusetts, 1910
  13. 13.0 13.1 13.2 13.3 13.4 Vital Records of Ipswich Massachusetts to the End of the Year 1849: Volume I: Births, The Essex Institute, Salem, Massachusetts, 1910
  14. Records and Files of the Quarterly Courts of Essex CountyEdited by George Francis Dow Transcribed and Abstracted from the Original Manuscript by Harriet S. Tapley Published and Copyrighted by the Essex Institute Vol. 5 1672-1674 p. 12
  15. Hoyt, David Webster, The Old Families of Salisbury and Amesbury, Massachusetts: With Some Related Families of Newbury, Haverhill, Ipswich, and Hampton, and of York County, Maine, Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, Maryland, Reprint: 2013, page 320
  16. Crane, Ellery Bicknell, Historic Homes and Institutions and Genealogical and Personal Memoirs of Worcester County, Massachusetts: With a History of Worcester Society of Antiquity, Volume 3, Lewis Publishing, 1907
  17. The ancient records of the town of Ipswich: vol. 1- from 1634 to 1650 by Ipswich (Mass. : Town); Schofield, George A. Publication date 1899 Publisher Chronicle motor press various pages for Bird, Collins, Fowler



Acknowledgements

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Hester, wife of Ezra Rolf and Robert Collins is now proved to be Hester Fowler, daughter of Phillip Fowler-195 and aunt of Joseph Fowler who's deposition proved the relationship. Full details on Fowler-228. Please retain text from both profiles so a final bio edit can be made. This merge does not address whether she was also wife of Jathnell Bird; that research is still ongoing. Merge should be into Fowler-228.
posted on Unknown-548873 (merged) by Brad Stauf
Unknown-548873 and Fowler-228 appear to represent the same person because: Hester, wife of Ezra Rolf and Robert Collins is now proved to be Hester Fowler, daughter of Phillip Fowler-195 and aunt of Joseph Fowler who's deposition proved the relationship. Full details on Fowler-228. Please retain text from both profiles so a final bio edit can be made. This merge does not address whether she was also wife of Jathnell Bird; that research is still ongoing. Merge should be into Fowler-228.
posted by Brad Stauf
In the book, The Fowler Family by Stickney, there is reference to a June 18, 1679, land sell by Robert Collins and wife Hester to Simon Stace. Stickney quotes part of the land description from an unknown source as bounded by "…land of Philip Fowler, Senior, towards the North East (being part of a lott that was formerly Phillip Fowler, sen'r, which he gave to his daughter Hester, in the time of her husband Bird, and hath beene long time parted by a stone wall, from the other land of the aforesayd Phillip." The use of a quote that uses old English words and spellings show that this was just not Stickney’s assertion, but a direct quote from either a town record or deed in a book that is not readily accessible to us. This quote, however, proves Hester Fowler’s parentage, first marriage to Jathnell Bird, and subsequent marriage to Robert Collins (who apparently took over the land that Hester inherited from her father). But the fact that it is obviously a quote from a book that Stickney had access to, but we don't doesn't mean we should just throw it out. Thoughts?
posted by K OBrien
edited by K OBrien
Please merge Hester-228 with Unknown-548873. Proof of Hester's maiden name was clear when Joseph Fowler Jr. referred to his "uncels Collings." (Refer to Robert Collin's profile)
posted by K OBrien
Hi K OBrien,

Thank you for supporting WikiTree and for your important work on this profile.

I note the recent baptismal date change to the profile--from 16 March 1619/20 (seems referenced to Anderson et al.) to "April 2, 1621" (seems FamilySearch database only or IGI entry).

Might anyone be able to elaborate/provide analysis on records/apparent conflict before the changes are made to the data field? --Gene

posted by GeneJ X
In the register the entry is April 1621 old style calendar.

Image is here


  • Baptism: "Wiltshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812"

Marlborough, St Mary the Virgin > Parish Registers > 1602-1623 Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Image (accessed 1 July 2022)

Ann

posted by Ann Browning
Thank you Ann,

As always, ever so helpful. I'll need to spend a little more time on the shared link. As well, to advance this, believe we'll need to tear down the sources from the Anderson, et al. article to understand how the discrepancy comes to pass. Again, will take a little more time, at least on my part. --Gene

posted by GeneJ X
I don’t think the entry is transcribed so that may be one reason for the discrepancy. I had to go through the register to find it

Ann

posted by Ann Browning
Oh, it was transcribed:

Name: Hesters Fowle Gender: Female Event Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 2 Apr 1621 Baptism Place: Marlborough, St Mary the Virgin, Wiltshire, England Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map: View this parish Father: Phillip Fowle

posted by K OBrien
edited by K OBrien
I think that Anderson is not infallible which is one reason for double checking for a primary source.

To be honest, the Fowlers haven’t been that difficult to identify, the Will was the keystone. I think the primary source should always be cited rather than a reference from a book which can also be cited as a secondary source But that’s my humble opinion. If there is a register image I always check it and check through the register a few years either side as not everything has been transcribed or in some cases not transcribed fully or correctly.

Ann

posted by Ann Browning
I agree the Fowlers' records have been generally complete in the parish register. It was a bit of a task to sort out the relationships of the Fowler families in Marlborough though. I don't rely on transcriptions of the record. I always go to the register to verify and poke around for more!

Anderson did have quite a few errors on the Fowlers in the original publication i.e. no more records exist for Hester or Mary and Hester's baptismal date. I went back through the register to find if another Fowler child may have been born on 16 March 1619/20 (the date Anderson gave). I only found one record for that date and it was a daughter of Edward something. I don't think we will ever know how he came up with that date.

posted by K OBrien
The baptism date came from the St. Mary Marlborough parish register. I added that source too. Hope this clarifies it.
posted by K OBrien
Thank you, K OBrien,

Believe I noted that. As above, we need to tear down the reporting by Anderson et al. in the hope of discovering the source of the discrepancy.

I hope to advance this a little later. --Gene

posted by GeneJ X
edited by GeneJ X
The only source Anderson has for Hester is Ezra’s probate record. Anderson also originally indicated there was nothing more for Mary Chandler and that had to be later corrected.
posted by K OBrien
edited by K OBrien
My two cents is to support the merge of Hester Fowler and Hester Unknown-548873. As is documented on Unknown's profile, it is accepted at this point that Ezra Rolf's widow Hester Unknown married Robert Collins/Collings. The "new" information & analysis is to prove that she was a Fowler. As K points out in comments, this is strongly indicated by the testimony of her proposed nephew Joseph Fowler who referred to his Uncle Collins. K walks through the various maternal and paternal uncles of that Joseph and the only Collins available is the Robert who married Hester. We have been working extensively on the Fowlers of Marlborough (Eng) for the past few weeks and have not come across any contradictory evidence.

The unproven piece in my mind is whether Hester Fowler first married Jathnell Bird before Ezra Rolf. Matthew Stickney (cited on these profiles) found a 1679 land sale that explicitly named Hester as daughter of Phillip Fowler AND wife of "Bird" while she sold land as wife of Robert Collins. This would obviously completely prove this theory but so far we have been unable to re-find that 1679 sale in Essex Deeds, Ipswich Town Records or anywhere else. But even without that deed, existing evidence (in my opinion) strongly supports the theory that Hester Fowler was wife of Ezra Rolf & Robert Collins.

posted by Brad Stauf
It looks to me that K OBrien has done some very sound work and I believe they should be merged as well.

Ann

posted by Ann Browning
I don't understand why Hester was disconnected from her family. Stickney may have not provided primary source documentation, but the information seems to come from Ipswich Town Records. On Philip's profile, Stickney's work is the major part of the profile with no worries about primary source documentation which seems inconsistent.

On March 26, 1672, Joseph Fowler (son of Joseph, grandson of Philip) testifies about his “uncels Collinges hors.” (Stickney, Pg 27) Joseph’s maternal uncles were Henry Kimball, Richard Kimball, John Kimball, Thomas Kimball, Benjamin Kimball, Caleb Kimball, John Severance, Robert Dutch and Edward Allen. So “his uncels Collinges” would have to be on his paternal side i.e. one of his father’s sisters. Richard Collin(g)’s wife’s name was Hester meaning this was Hester Fowler, a sister to Joseph Fowler. This is solid proof the Hester Fowler married Robert Collins. The fact that Ezra Rolfe Jr and Daniel Rolfe called Collins “father” also clarifies that Hester was previously married to Ezra Rolfe Sr.

The following excerpts from Matthew Stickney’s book clearly link the Collin(gs) to the Fowler family i.e. Collings is mentioned with Margery Fowler’s husbands (Osgood and Rowell) and Joseph Fowler’s sons (Joseph and Philip Jr.)

• 1650: Christopher Osgood’s will was “proved by the oath of Daniel Rolfe, the 10th of the 8th mo. 1650, per me. Robert Lord.” Pg 13 (My note: Daniel Rolfe would have to be the brother of Ezra Rolfe who Hester was married to from about 1648 to 1652.)

• On 24 February 1651, Margery Fowler Osgood marries Thomas Rowell. • On 28 September 1652, Hester married Robert Collin(g)s. She names her first son “Philip.”

• In 1656-7 (12 Feb.) Thomas Rowell and Alex. Knight make an agreement with Robert Collings, to lease his farm in Ipswich for seven years from date, excepting two acres and the home lot for himself. (pg 16) (My note: Thomas Rowell would be Robert Collings’s brother-in-law.)

• In 1656-7 (12 Feb.) Alexander Knight agrees to let his farm in Ipswich, for seven years from date to Thomas Rowell and Robert Collings of the same place (brothers-in-law), with the exception of 2 acres and a home lot for himself. Pg 26


• In 1662 (16 June) Robert Collings was “a debtor of 5 shillings to the estate of (his brother-in-law) Thomas Rowell of Salisbury.” Pg 26

• ****In 1671-2 (18 March) from the court files it appears, that there was a controversy between Robert Collins and Deacon William Goodhue, in regard to a colt taken up by Amos Stickney at Newbury, which they both claimed, and 26 March, 1672, Joseph Fowler testifies about his “uncels Collinges hors.” Pg 27 (My note: (oseph would be son of Joseph, grandson of Philip.)

• In 1677 (10 Sept.) Robert Collins of Ipswich and “Eastor” his wife, sell land there to Philip Fowler, jr. (their nephew), which was ac, by them, 9 July 1678. Pg 27 (My note Philip Jr. was the son of Joseph Fowler)

Please re-link Hester to Collins-851 and Rolfe-68.

posted by K OBrien
edited by K OBrien
Looking at the profile of Robert Collins-851 and then of Ezra Rolf, Hester "Unknown" it seems there is no doubt that he married the widow of Ezra Rolf. Hester Fowler would definitely have been the paternal-side aunt of the Joseph Fowler Jr who testified about his uncle Robert Collins and you've eliminated all of his maternal-side uncles. His other two paternal-side aunts were Margaret Coleman (in 1672 anyway) and Mary Chandler (only one husband), so their husbands could not have been his uncle Collins.

By process of elimination it does seem like Hester Fowler, daughter of Phillip the immigrant was the one who married Ezra Rolf and then Robert Collins.

It doesn't look like we have anything about Jathnell Bird in this set of information though. I haven't looked at Torrey's sources for this marriage though.

posted by Brad Stauf
The managers linked Hester to both Ezra Rolfe and Robert Collin(g)s because Ezra Jr. and Daniel called Colling(s) father.

No marriage record has been found for Jathnell Bird and Hester. But we do know is in 1639 Jathnell's property was adjacent to Philip Fowler Sr. Christopher Osgood's property was also adjacent to Philip Fowler Sr. It would appear that Philip gave each of the girls some property. After Philip's death, Collin(g)s and his wife, Hester, sold this very same property. So it looks to me like Hester owned this property with Jathnell.

posted by K OBrien
edited by K OBrien
Stickney supports the Phillip Fowler-Hester Fowler-Bird-Collins connection citing a supposed 1679 land sale was to Simon Stace https://archive.org/details/fowlerfamilygene00stic/page/26/mode/2up

I went through Essex land records and the only two transactions I found for Robert Collins selling land was in 1682 to Joseph Belknap Sr. (Stickney does show this one in his book exactly as it appears in Essex Deeds) and in 1701 to Ezra Rolfe (presumably Jr). I documented it on Hester Unknown profile https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Unknown-548873 with links to the deeds. Maybe that earlier sale was documented somewhere else, Amendeded this comment to note that he relied on "Ancient Records of Ipswich" along with apparently other sources. And he seemed to be unaware that Hester (Fowler or otherwise) married Ezra Rolfe before she married Robert Collins.

I didn't see a sale to Fowler either, the Collins grantor deeds start here with "Esther" wife of Robert and the others appear on the following pages under Hester and Robert (there was no entry for "Eastor") https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9ZZ-YGKG?i=442&wc=MCBL-TM3%3A361613201%2C361822801&cc=2106411

The earliest entry with Phillip Fowler as a grantee seems to be 1695 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9ZZ-YB9G?i=536&wc=MCBL-NZ9%3A361613201%2C361757101&cc=2106411

posted by Brad Stauf
edited by Brad Stauf
A lot of Stickney’s information comes from the “Ancient Records of the Town of Ipswich.” If you refer to the first paragraph under Hester he clearly says “From The Town records of Ipswich.” That is his source. In that first paragraph he indicates “Granted to (George) Varneham, three acres of that planting ground formerly Mr. Bradstreets, and the remainder of it to Jafnell Bird to be laide out by the lot layers and Mary Symonds.” And here it is in The Ancient Records of the Town of Ipswich, Vol 1:

https://archive.org/details/ancientrecordsof00ipsw/page/n51/mode/2up?view=theater&q=bird

And Stickney’s statement in that same paragraph: “6 April 1641 Granted Jatnell Bird, a little parcel of ground lying by Goodman Mussey’s, on the side of the hill, not exceeding 2 acres” can be found right here:

https://archive.org/details/ancientrecordsof00ipsw/page/n91/mode/2up?view=theater&q=bird

And on and on… until 1654. There must be a Vol. 2 for the rest of the information but I can’t find it online. But Stickney’s material is not unsourced!

posted by K OBrien
I missed his note about "Ancient Records", that's the same source I used to add information to Jathnell Bird's profile. There's no doubt that Jathnell Bird existed and had a widow, I'm just struggling to prove that she was Hester Fowler. The one thing that Stickney seems to rely on is the 1679 land sale that specifically says she got the property from her father Phillip Fowler "in her time as Bird". If we can find that, I would agree that it makes the link. I was unable to find that in Essex Land Records although I did find the 1682 sale to Joseph Belknap that Stickney referenced. So he must have found another source of deeds, mortgages etc.
posted by Brad Stauf
Is there a volume 2 of Ancient records?
posted by K OBrien
re-Edit: i forgot that i already did look for later volumes, it's a collection of loose records available from here https://historicipswich.org/the-ancient-records-of-the-town-of-ipswich/ and I did some looking for the 1679 sale but it's multiple loose collections of out-of-order documents so it's kind of hard to work with.

I haven't seen it but I would think there must be another book of deeds or land transactions or something. Stickney matches Essex Land Records exactly for the sale to Belknap, so why would he then make up other transactions out of thin air? The only thing that gives me hesitation is that the 1679 transaction is so ultimately perfect in that it names Hester's father AND her first, otherwise undocumented-as-husband jathnell Bird. It's the kind of genealogical holy grail that we are always looking for so if you WERE going to make something up to create the family linkage, that's exactly what you would make up. But I'm not claiming that he made stuff up, I just want to find what he found so that we can have certainty which I know is not always possible. Still researching...

posted by Brad Stauf
edited by Brad Stauf
Added disputed marriage section, removed husband's. Probably needs a PPP so they aren't added back.
posted by Chris Hoyt
protected by PGM, Chris....................................................
As noted in the Sources section:

In the Great Migration Sketch for Phillip Fowler (2001), Anderson states that Hester's baptism is the only known record of her. And that many secondary sources claim that she married m1 Jathnell Bird and 2 Ezra Rolf and 3 Robert Collins. Ezra Rolfe's widow Hester, did marry Robert Collins. But "no evidence has been found to connect Hester Fowler to Jathnell Bird or the widow of Bird to Ezra Rolf).

Is there any more recent evidence?

posted by M Cole
edited by M Cole
I find nothing new. She should probably be disconnected from the various spouses.
posted by Chris Hoyt
Did the merge leaving it up to the project to clean up any errors.
posted by Andrea (Stawski) Pack
Fowler-965 and Fowler-228 appear to represent the same person because: Exact data and same parents
Fowler-228 and Fowler-8748 appear to represent the same person because: same first name, share one last name, same birth date/country, same spouse, same death day/month (year off), same death location.
posted by Anonymous Nagel
Fowler-6786 and Fowler-965 appear to represent the same person because: Duplicate daughter of Philip Fowler and 1st wife Mary Unknown. No further records for this Hester, other than birth/baptism.
posted by Chris Hoyt
Fowler-6786 and Fowler-228 do not represent the same person because: Philip Fowler had a daughter Hester/Esther but no further record is found on her. Fowler-6786 should probably be linked to Philip with est. birth, no death date. The Hester/Esther that married Bird/possibly Rolfe and Collins should be disconnected from the parents Philip Fowler and Mary unk. alias Winsley
posted by Chris Hoyt
Fowler-6786 and Fowler-228 appear to represent the same person because: Clear Duplicate
posted by Andrea (Stawski) Pack
Fowler-964 and Fowler-228 appear to represent the same person because: Same marriages and parents

Information in Fowler-964 is more complete

Additional source https://archive.org/stream/cu31924025963772#page/n317/mode/2up

posted by Lydia Vierson