Marcomer (Franks) des Francs
(bef. 388 - aft. 388)
Marcomer"Marcomir, King of The Sicambri"[uncertain]des Francs[uncertain]
formerly Franks aka de Toxandrie
Born before [location unknown]
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
[spouse(s) unknown]
Died after after age 0
[location unknown]
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Gregory of Tours
"Sulpicius Alexander ... adds: 'At that time the Franks burst into the province of Germany under Genobaud, Marcomer, and Sunno, their dukes, and having broken through the boundary wall they slew most of the people and laid waste the fertile districts especially, and aroused fear even in Cologne.'[11][1]
Fictional Pedigree
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Marcomer, does *NOT* have a son named Faramundus (Pharamond). Pharmond is a fictional character of the Liber Historiae Francorum," (c.727).[12][1]
See this brief commentary of a fictional pedigree. Apparently it tries to build a pedigree on a combination of Biblical and other ancient texts.[13] To understand where the tree is going ... Griswald (2004), explains that:
"What is surprising is the number of different threads that exist from Abraham into Western Europe and the different paths they take. Several different threads are intertwined in the Merovingian families of Francia. Two pass from Egypt through Ireland into either Wales or Scotland. A third line comes directly from the Exilarchs (the leaders of the Jewish community in exile after the Diaspora) in Babylon. This thread goes directly into what is now southern France, where descendants married into the noble families of the region. "
For the curious... the fictional tree technically terminates with the Biblical Abraham and Sarah, at the top; and Clovis I at the bottom.[14][2]
"Liber Historiae Francorum," (c.727), talks about Marcomer, and Sunno (both commanders during 388 AD; and according to Pope Pious --living 1400s -- said to be sons of Priam and Atenor). The book invents a son for Marcomer, Faramundus "Pharamond".[1]).[2][3][4][5] This source is noted for its unreliability. In Marcomer's case, it's even more true since Gregory of Tours is the only secondary source... and he doesn't mention parents.
also see the fictional, "Marcomir IV, King of the Franks,"[6] and note that this alleged lineage relates back to Pope Pius' list of the 1400s (which quotes the myth concocted by the Liber Historiae Francorum),[7] ... which is often repeated in various lists of saint's alleged pedigrees, and later royal genealogies (see examples:[8][9][10]). These are highly speculative, considering the very short commentary of Gregory of Tours, who cites an older source by Sulpicius Alexander.... which no longer exists.
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Added by: Jean-Jacques CHACUN on August 17, 2008
Managed by: Sveneric ROSELL and 86 others
Curated by: Henn SARV
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Marcomir DE TOXANDRIE, Frankish chief MP
French: Marcomir DE TOXANDRIE, chef Franc
Gender: Male
Birth: circa 220
Tongeren, Limburg, Vlaams Gewest, Belgium
Death: circa 281 (53-69)
Tongeren, Limburg, Vlaams Gewest, Belgium
Immediate Family:
Husband of IIdégonde of the Lombards (Fictitious Person) and Fausta (Fictitious Person)
Father of Génébaud I, King of the Franks and Godinga SCRIDEFINI
Note by: Marie-Ouellet, Geni Family Tree, www.geni.com, 13 matches:
Source: Jean-Jacques CHACUN on August 17, 2008
Managed by: Sveneric ROSELL, 86 others
Curated by: Henn SARV
Marcomir DE TOXANDRIE, Frankish chief MP
French: Marcomir DE TOXANDRIE, chef Franc
Gender: Male
Birth: circa 220
Tongeren, Limburg, Vlaams Gewest, Belgium
Death: circa 281 (53-69)
Tongeren, Limburg, Vlaams Gewest, Belgium
Immediate Family:
Husband of IIdégonde of the Lombards (Fictitious Person) and Fausta (Fictitious Person)
Father of Génébaud I, King of the Franks and Godinga SCRIDEFINI
Source:
Added by: Dustin Ray RHOADES on May 15, 2008
Managed by: Steve Bolek Cobo, 20 others
Curated by: Anne BRANNEN
IIdégonde DE TOXANDRIE MP
Gender: Female
Birth: circa 224
Lombardy, Italy
Death: 296, Sachsen, Germany
I went with this one since it was the lowest ID ... but in truth, history only left us scraps about this battle field commander. Supposedly, he's a Frank ... but there's no primary source to support it. So it's really up to the leaders to make the LNAB call. ... It's also the case that nobody knows what title(s) Marcomer had... not even Gregory of Tours. So "duke, king, etc." or last names... is speculation.
Food for thought... how can this profile be tweaked enough to catch duplicates, and legendary Marcomers?
Added by: Jean-Jacques CHACUN on August 17, 2008 Managed by: Sveneric ROSELL and 86 others Curated by: Henn SARV Geni Family Tree, www.geni.com/people/Marcomir-De-Toxandrie-Frankish-chief
Marcomir DE TOXANDRIE, Frankish chief MP French: Marcomir DE TOXANDRIE, chef Franc Gender: Male Birth: circa 220 Tongeren, Limburg, Vlaams Gewest, Belgium Death: circa 281 (53-69) Tongeren, Limburg, Vlaams Gewest, Belgium Immediate Family: Husband of IIdégonde of the Lombards (Fictitious Person) and Fausta (Fictitious Person) Father of Génébaud I, King of the Franks and Godinga SCRIDEFINI
Source: http://anderson.sacada.net/FamilyTree/ancestry.php?ged=Anderson.GED&rootid=I2200&show_full=1:
Marcomir, a Frankish chief. His parents are unknown but some genealogists say his wife was fictitious
Source: Jean-Jacques CHACUN on August 17, 2008 Managed by: Sveneric ROSELL, 86 others Curated by: Henn SARV Marcomir DE TOXANDRIE, Frankish chief MP French: Marcomir DE TOXANDRIE, chef Franc Gender: Male Birth: circa 220 Tongeren, Limburg, Vlaams Gewest, Belgium Death: circa 281 (53-69) Tongeren, Limburg, Vlaams Gewest, Belgium Immediate Family: Husband of IIdégonde of the Lombards (Fictitious Person) and Fausta (Fictitious Person) Father of Génébaud I, King of the Franks and Godinga SCRIDEFINI Source: Added by: Dustin Ray RHOADES on May 15, 2008 Managed by: Steve Bolek Cobo, 20 others Curated by: Anne BRANNEN IIdégonde DE TOXANDRIE MP Gender: Female Birth: circa 224 Lombardy, Italy Death: 296, Sachsen, Germany
Food for thought... how can this profile be tweaked enough to catch duplicates, and legendary Marcomers?