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Mary (Gilman) Beal (abt. 1604 - 1681)

Mary Beal formerly Gilman aka Jacob, Gilmer
Born about in Hingham, Norfolk, Englandmap
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Daughter of and
Sister of , , , , and
Wife of — married about 1628 (to 5 Jun 1657) in Hingham, Norfolk, Englandmap
Wife of — married 10 Mar 1659 (to 15 Jun 1681) in Hingham, Suffolk, Massachusetts Bay Colonymap
Descendants descendants
Mother of , , , , , , and
Died at about age 77 in Hingham, Suffolk, Massachusetts Bay Colonymap
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The Puritan Great Migration.
Mary (Gilman) Beal migrated to New England during the Puritan Great Migration (1621-1640).
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Disputed Origins

She has been confused with the Mary Gilman, daughter of emigrants Edward and Mary (Clark) Gilman who was baptized in 1615, but the following evidence indicates she was sister to Edward Gilman:

"Proof that Nicholas Jacob's wife was Edward Gilman's sister is found in the Proprietors' Records of Hingham, Mass., Book A., folio 32. Nicholas Jacob, in 1638, gave one of the tracts granted to him by the town 'unto Edward Gillman his brother-in-law.' Edward Gilman's wife was Mary Clark. Nicholas Jacob's wife was also named Mary. Hence, if we dismiss the very unlikely hypothesis that Mary Clark had a sister who was also named Mary, the wife of Nicolas Jacob must have been Mary Gilman, sister of Edward." [1]

See also Research Notes.

Biography

Mary Gilman was born about 1604[2] She married first, probably Hingham, Norfolk, England, by 1629, Nicholas Jacob.[3] He died in Hingham, Massachusetts, 5 June 1657.[4]

Immigration

The record made by Daniel Cushing about those who had settled at Hingham, Massachusetts, included "Nicholas Jacob with his wife and two children, and their cousin Thomas Lincoln weaver, came from Old Hingham, and settled in this Hingham., of Hingham, Norfolk, England."[5] They settled first at Watertown, but had removed to Hingham by 1635.

At Massachusetts Bay

She married second John Beal 10 March 1659,[6][7][8]

Mary died in Hingham, 15 June 1681.[9][10]

Children of Nicholas Jacob and Mary Gilman,[11]

  1. Capt. John Jacob, baptized in Hingham, Norfolk, England, 26 February 1629/30.
  2. Mary Jacob, baptized Hingham, Norfolk, 11 May 1632.
  3. Elizabeth Jacob, born say 1634.
  4. Sarah Jacob, born say 1636.
  5. Hannah Jacob, baptized Hingham, Massachusetts, 23 February 1639/40.
  6. Josiah Jacob, baptized Hingham, 6 November 1642, buried there 24 November 1642
  7. Deborah Jacob, baptized Hingham, 26 November 1643.
  8. Joseph Jacob, baptized Hingham, 10 May 1646.

Research Notes

Sorting out the Marys--sister vs daughter of the immigrant. See this G2G discussion about alternative claims that Mary was the spouse of John Folsom and came with him to New England on the same ship as brother Edward Gilman, earlier referenced. People have taken the reference of Mary "sister to Edward" to mean Mary Gilman, bpt 1615. But Mary Gilman bpt 1615 was daughter to Edward, not sister.

Edward Gilman who married Mary Clark was born about 1587; a sister Mary would have been born closer to 1587 than to 1615. So while Nicholas Jacob DID marry a Mary Gilman, it wasn't the Mary Gilman born 1615. THAT Mary Gilman married John Folsom.

The conclusion reached is that the wife of John Folsom is Edward Gilman’s daughter Mary Gilman.

Immigration? A prior version of this profile included, without citation, "Nicholas, of Hingham, Norfolk, England, arrived in Boston with his wife Mary, son John, and daughter Mary on 15 Jun 1633 on the ship Elizabeth Bonaventure from Yarmouth, England, and went first to Watertown, MA."

What is the source for these immigration details? In her work to survey passenger list compilations, Anne Stevens, did not record a list of those aboard the Elizabeth Bonaventure (1633). See her page, "Pilgrim Ship Lists Early 1600's," PackRat Pro.

Sources

  1. ↑ Clarence Almon Torrey, "English Origin of Edward1 Gilman" in The American Genealogist, 11 (1934):137-138, at 138; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
  2. ↑ Based on her marriage date, is there other evidence?
  3. ↑ Citing "TAG 11:138," Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols. (1995), 1069-1070 (Nicholas Jacob), at 1070; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
  4. ↑ Citing "NEHGR 121:107," Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols. (1995), 1069-1070 (Nicholas Jacob), at 1070; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
  5. ↑ Citing "Cushing 25," Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols. (1995), 1069-1070 (Nicholas Jacob), at 1070; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
  6. ↑ C. Edward Egan, Jr., "The Hobart Journal," New England Historical and Genealogical Register, 121 (1967):109, in particular part; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
  7. ↑ Citing "NEHGR 121:109," Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols. (1995), 1069-1070 (Nicholas Jacob), at 1070; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
  8. ↑ Andrew H. Ward, "First Settlers of Hingham," New England Historical and Genealogical Register 2 (1848):250-255+, at 253; digital images, Hathi Trust, "John Beal & Widow Jacob, March 1659."
  9. ↑ Citing "NEHGR 121:208; Hing VR 53," Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols. (1995), 1069-1070 (Nicholas Jacob), at 1070; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
  10. ↑ Original record - "Massachusetts, Town Clerk, Vital and Town Records, 1626-2001," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-997M-Y4TB?cc=2061550&wc=Q4D7-PTG%3A353350201%2C353451301%2C353453801 : 22 October 2020), Plymouth > Hingham > Births, marriages, deaths 1635-1844 > image 39 of 546; citing Massachusetts Secretary of the Commonwealth, Boston.
  11. ↑ Citing in part, "TAG 11:138" and NEHGR 121:21, 103, 12, 15, 115, 18, Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols. (1995), 1069-1070 (Nicholas Jacob), at 1070; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
See also--
  • Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols. (1995), 1069-1070 (Nicholas Jacob); digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.




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Brandon Smith
Her 3rd Great Grandson was John Hancock signer of the declaration of independence
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Barton-7380 Richard Barton
Can you show the lineage for us please?

Thanks.

posted by Richard Barton
GeneJ X
Have posted the following comment to Unknown (Hawes) Gilman (-abt.1639),
This is a proposal to change the LNAB of Unknown (Hawes) Gilman (-abt.1639) to Unknown. She would become Unknown Unknown (-abt 1639). Support for this is found in the G2G 2022 answer by S. Willson, quoted below.
I have the Gary Boyd Roberts book entitled Ancestors of American Presidents, published in 2009. In it he says the wife of this Edward Gilman is "______" (page 453). It appears Notable Kin may have been published about 10 years earlier, so it appears his thinking may have changed.
Edited to add: he does not list a Mary Hawes in the book at all.
If WikiTree collaborators have objections to this change, or believe it overlooks important historical records, please post. --Gene
posted by GeneJ X
edited by GeneJ X
Barton-7380 Richard Barton
This is a protected profile. See badge above. Have you read the text above? I am only a grandson and not part of the project, but it looks unlikely your changes will be accepted. Personally I vote no.
posted by Richard Barton
edited by Richard Barton
GeneJ X
Hi Richard,

Thank you for your comments and for supporting WikiTree.

This proposal would not make any changes to the profile of Mary (Gilman) (Jacob) Beal. Rightly so, she will still be Mary (Gilman) (Jacob) Beal.

What this change will do is pave the way for us to address the recent collaborative comments regarding a possible mother. See the comments by Faylene (here and here, and by Sharon, here.

We have otherwise not been able to locate contemporaneous records reporting the name of Mary's mother.

Do you feel we have overlooked records in our quest? --Gene

posted by GeneJ X
edited by GeneJ X
Barton-7380 Richard Barton
I have taken the time to read through profile text and comments. Some are very old and might be archived if fully completed.

I am doing a FamilySearch search at the moment and have added an original record for her death. That also allows for the update to markers for first and last name and death date and place. I plan on spending some more time this evening and can provide a better answer later.

I have found nothing definitive. Sorry for standing in your way. Proceed as you see fit.

posted by Richard Barton
edited by Richard Barton
GeneJ X
Thank you Richard.

WikiTree is all about collaboration, and that is exactly what you were doing. I appreciate your questions and assistance. There is almost always a better outcome when we "measure twice and cut once." --Gene

posted by GeneJ X
Barton-7380 Richard Barton
You are welcome. It gave me a better understanding of the problems here.
posted by Richard Barton
GeneJ X
Profile of Edward Gilman II (1555-abt.1613) includes statement, "Evidence for the wife's name of Mary Hawes is Gary Boyd Robert's Notable Kin. Whether he cites a source I do not yet know. There seems to be no other solid evidence for the name."

Might someone with access to this source pull the entry and (1) confirm that Roberts made the claim that Edward's wife was Mary Hawes, and (2) what references he cited in support of the claim. Did he cite any historical records?

See also 2022 G2G, "Was Hawes the LNAB of Edward Gilman's wife."

posted by GeneJ X
edited by GeneJ X
Bailey-6428 Faylene Bailey
I believe in looking at the narrative in Mary's profile and the previous comments made several years ago, that Mary's mother should be the wife of her father now shown as Unknown (Hawes) Gilman (-abt.1639). If agreed, would someone from the PPP please ad her as Mary's mother. There are several siblings, that should also have the same mother. Thank you!
posted by Faylene Bailey
Hill-11959 S (Hill) Willson
From what I am seeing, there is no certainty as to who his wife was. Do we know (with reliable sources) that the same wife was the mother of all the children?
posted by S (Hill) Willson
Bailey-6428 Faylene Bailey
There is a lot in convincing accounts in the narrative on Edward Gilman's profile, however the sources seem to be books. No oficial records cited. So, her mother is still unknown. It does appear that he had 1 wife, who died well after Mary was born. However, the death of his wife is not substantiated either. I guess we should leave things aloe until better proof is found. Thank you, S,.
posted by Faylene Bailey
Bob Tonsmeire
I have revised the mother on this profile to be the "unknown wife" of her listed father.
posted by Bob Tonsmeire
Fuller-5187 Albertus Robert Casimir (Fuller) Jung
This woman Mary Gilman is supposedly an ancestress of mine. At this profile i see that her parents were Edward II Gilman and Mary Clark. I have read the discussion, that Mary Clark was not her mother. Why then is Mary Clark still shown as her mother? When i click upon her father, i come to Edward II Gilman, whose wife is unknown. when i click upon Mary Clark - still connected to Mary Gilman as her mother, i find Mary Clark married to Edward II's son. How is this possible? If Mary Gilman's mother is in fact unknown, why not detach her from Mary Clark and attach her to Unknown Unknown ? This has confused Relationship Finder to claim that my mother and father are related by blood on this ancestral line. They are related on other lines, but not on this one, it would seem, if Mary Clark is indeed not Mary Gilman's mother).
posted by Albertus Robert Casimir (Fuller) Jung
Trice-256 Fletcher Trice
Thank you for your clear description Albertus. I find myself in the same boat, and this confusion has been going on for about seven years it appears. By my view it appears there are still mother's confused with wives or sisters. The fact that this has gone on so long must invlove something else besides genealogy.
posted by Fletcher Trice
Bob Tonsmeire
Based on my note of February 17 citing Constance Le Neve Gilman Ames' documentation, I have revised Mary's parents.
posted by Bob Tonsmeire
Bob Tonsmeire
Based on the Genealogy section which I added to the text for Edward [Gilman-12]. I have reverted Edward the Emigrant to be the son of Edward II rather than of Robert, his brother. This data was sourced from "The story of the Gilmans and a Gilman genealogy of the descendants of Edward Gilman of Hingham, England, 1550-1950."

which was written in 1950 by Constance Le Neve Gilman Ames.

Similarly, since this profile is documented to a brother of Edward, I believe that it should also be reclassified with Gilman-3 as father and with mother unknown.

posted by Bob Tonsmeire
Bob Tonsmeire
I believe that Mary's 1659 marriage to John Beal was in Hingham, MA rather than Hingham, England. "The Great Migration Begins" gives the date as "10 March 1658/1659"
posted by Bob Tonsmeire

Rejected matches › Mary (Woodman) Gilman (1792-1883) › Mary (Gilman) Haley (bef.1737-) › Mary (Gilman) Thing (1658-abt.1691) › Mary K (Beal) Hart (1861-1943) › Polly (Beal) Payton (-1874) › Mary Harding Beal (1816-1857) › Mary (Bassett) Beal (abt.1704-abt.1749) › Mary (Farrow) Beal (bef.1633-1708) › Mary (Beal) Whiton (bef.1623-1697) › Mary (Clark) Gilman (1590-1681)

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