Of note it showed that he had four living sons, but two of them were named Thomas.
The will was challenged, and the Judgment (in Latin) was entered into the registers of the Prerogative Court of Canterbury on 17 June 1618. [2] Names from this Judgement have been abstracted at the end of the list of persons in the Will.
Persons mentioned in the Will:
Thomas Grubb of Potterne in the Countye of Wiltes yeoman Testator
my second sonne Thomas Grubbe beinge the eldest of my sonnes of that name under the age of 23 years, received £1200
my third sonne Henrye Grubbe under the age of 23 years, received £1200
my younger sonne Thomas Grubb beinge the youngest of my sonnes under the age of 23 years, received £1000
my daughter Susanna unmarried, received £1000. No age given.
my lovinge wife unnamed in the will, maintenance for life
my sister Ellinor Moodye received £5
my sister Joane Sampson received £5
my servant Nicholas Chiffinche received £5
John my sonne Executor and residuary legatee. Testator's wife and daughter were to live with him.
my faythfull and lovinge freinds overseers of the will
Thomas Baskervile Esquire
John Hitchcock of Potterne gentleman also witness to Will
my Cosen William Blancharde
Thomss Lye witness to Will
John Ferris witness to Will
Phillppa Wheller witness to Will
Persons mentioned in the Judgement:
Before John Benet knight, Doctor of Laws
In the case of Thomas Grubbe formerly of Potterne, Wiltshire, gentleman deceased
Between John Grubbe the son and executor of the Testament and last will
and Suzanna Grubbe widow
Henry Grubbe, Thomas Grubbe the elder, Thomas Grubbe the younger, Suzanna Grubbe the natural and legitimate children of the said deceased
Research Notes
Magaret Ailene Beeson's book "A Genealogy of The Beeson Family" contains the now disproved Grubb / Grubbe line which conflates the Grubb(e) families of North Mymms in Hertfordshire, Potterne and Devizes in Wiltshire, and Stoke Climsland in Cornwall. [3] Please do not use this book as a basis for the Grubbe line which emigrated to West Jersey and Pennsylvania.
Sources
↑Will of Thomas Grubbe or Grubb 1618:
"England & Wales, Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858"
The National Archives; Kew, Surrey, England; Records of the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, Series PROB 11; Class: PROB 11; Piece: 131 Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry uk Record 5111 #909906 (accessed 21 August 2022)
↑Judgement of the challenged will of Thomas Grubbe of Potterne 1618:
"England & Wales, Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858"
The National Archives; Kew, Surrey, England; Records of the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, Series PROB 11; Class: PROB 11; Piece: 131 Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry uk Record 5111 #910017 (accessed 21 August 2022)
↑ "A Genealogy of The Beeson Family" Magaret Ailene Beeson, September 1973 p 10. Family Search books full text accessed 1 July 2021
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Jo, I have found a will for a man of this name with corresponding year and place of death. I have given the citation but the link feature for this document has been disabled by Ancestry.
Thanks T - there are two documents indexed on Ancestry - the will in English proved 27 April 1618, and the legal challenge in Latin judgement given on 17 June 1618. I'll add the sharing link for the will itself.
Jo, in looking at what appears to be the most detailed recent research (2008) though it doesn't list each source with each fact, it appears there may be an exceptional amount of incorrect entry in this extended family in WikiTree. Mothers connected as the wives of sons and so forth. It can be downloaded at FamilySearch https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/viewer/587022/?offset=0#page=21&viewer=picture&o=download&n=0&q= Most of the book deals with untangling the immigrants to America but the earlier pages deal with fact vs old research on the England side. Regarding the wives of the man of this profile: He probably had three
wives. Thomas manied Agnes Jeffrey on January 5, 1562, a second unknown wife after Agnes died, and Johan Williams (Wills), a widow in nearby St Dominic on April 23, 1604. Johan outlived Thomas by eleven years and was buried in St Dominic on November 22, 1627. We know Thomas probably had a second wife because there were no children by his third marriage and there were simply too many children for all of them to have had the same mother. Thomas had eleven children who were still alive when he died.
The book linked also untangles the web of errors found in the Ailene Beeson book already mentioned in Research Notes on the profile. I'm happy to work on sorting this all out but it would be helpful to me to have a partner from England Project who may be more facile with relocating records.
Thanks - it looks as though the profiles of two men - one of Stoke Climsland and one of Poterne have been conflated. I'll transcribe the will of the Poterne Thomas Grubbe (died 1618) to see how much of his family can be removed from the Stoke Climsland Thomas. I'll also ask the Wiltshire and Cornwall teams to take a look at their versions of the Grubbe family.
T Stanton - this profile is now the Thomas Grubb of Potterne. His will is here He is connected to the correct wife and the 5 children who were alive at the time of his death are correct (there may be more to find who died in infancy). The profile is PPP so that first degree relatives can't be moved.
There is no sourced evidenced for this Thomas Grubb of Cornwall to be a son of Henry Grubbe of North Mymms in Hertfordshire (who is under England Project management).
I will disconnect them as father and son. If evidence of a relationship is found, they can be reconnected.
Hello Profile Managers - this profile has been identified as possibly not being in the correct Grubb family line. The England Project would like to comanage this profile with you to help with providing sources and verifying the family lines. I will send you a Trusted List request directly from the England Project account. Please contact me directly if you have any questions.
Many thanks, Jo, England Project Managed Profiles team coordinator
The currently most comprehensive research on the family suggests that the parents of Thomas Grubb are unknown and cannot be Sir Henry Grubb and Lady Joan Radcliffe. To excerpt from exhaustive research notes found at https://www.geni.com/people/John-Grubb/6000000000071159894 :
Thomas Grubb, John Grubb’s [an immigrant to the American colonies] great grandfather: By the time John Grubb was born, all known members of the Stoke Climsland Grubb family were descended from Thomas Grubb. Thomas was born about 1540 and was of England’s yeomen class, roughly equivalent to the modern middle class. At the time of his death in July 1616, his assets were valued at 137 pounds. Thomas’ parents are unknown, although his father or grandfather may have been named Henry because Thomas named two surviving sons Henry.
Interestingly, Alex Grubb’s 1688 notes indicate that in 1554 a Henry Grubb baptized a son in Stoke Climsland. While this was too late to have been Thomas, this does establish that there was a Henry Grubb in Stoke Climsland that may have been Thomas’ father. Grubbs about the Globe claims that Thomas was the son of the Sir Henry Grubb of Hertfordshire who married Lady Joan Radcliffe. However, this story is contradicted by the evidence in Alex Grubb’s notes that there were Grubbs in Stoke Climsland before Thomas.
Thanks Todd for proposing that this profile of Thomas Grubb is managed and protected by the England Project. A quick survey of English Wills shows that there were at least three distinct Grubb families: 1) Cornwall, 2) Poterne in Wiltshire as well as 3) North Mimms in Hertfordshire. The England Project are working on the family of Henry Grubb and Joan Radcliffe at present.
Thanks. The link in my Comment above goes to the most extensive examination of the three Grubb families I have seen and examines it from both perspectives though has a distinct belief that this Thomas’ parents remain unknown. It’s quite a read but appears thorough. Some of the records discussed I have not found to be available online.
Grubb-1312 and Grubb-24 appear to represent the same person because: This paternal line seems to be duplicated w/ estimated dates and a lack of sources on Grubb-1312.
wives. Thomas manied Agnes Jeffrey on January 5, 1562, a second unknown wife after Agnes died, and Johan Williams (Wills), a widow in nearby St Dominic on April 23, 1604. Johan outlived Thomas by eleven years and was buried in St Dominic on November 22, 1627. We know Thomas probably had a second wife because there were no children by his third marriage and there were simply too many children for all of them to have had the same mother. Thomas had eleven children who were still alive when he died.
I will disconnect them as father and son. If evidence of a relationship is found, they can be reconnected.
Jo, England Project Managed Profiles coordinator
Many thanks, Jo, England Project Managed Profiles team coordinator
Thomas Grubb, John Grubb’s [an immigrant to the American colonies] great grandfather: By the time John Grubb was born, all known members of the Stoke Climsland Grubb family were descended from Thomas Grubb. Thomas was born about 1540 and was of England’s yeomen class, roughly equivalent to the modern middle class. At the time of his death in July 1616, his assets were valued at 137 pounds. Thomas’ parents are unknown, although his father or grandfather may have been named Henry because Thomas named two surviving sons Henry.
Interestingly, Alex Grubb’s 1688 notes indicate that in 1554 a Henry Grubb baptized a son in Stoke Climsland. While this was too late to have been Thomas, this does establish that there was a Henry Grubb in Stoke Climsland that may have been Thomas’ father. Grubbs about the Globe claims that Thomas was the son of the Sir Henry Grubb of Hertfordshire who married Lady Joan Radcliffe. However, this story is contradicted by the evidence in Alex Grubb’s notes that there were Grubbs in Stoke Climsland before Thomas.
Jo, England Project Managed Profiles co-ordinator