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Lewis John, also known as Lodowick John, or John fitz Lewis, was a successful Welshman in city of London with Lancastrian connections. He became an MP, and eventually a soldier and knight. His family became part of the landed gentry of southeast England during the period of the War of the Roses. Their main manor was West Horndon (sometimes "Thorndon") in Essex.
John/Lodowick married at least twice. Remarkably, both his father-in-laws were earls. As explained by Elliot, "Sir Lewes John, in his Will, makes provision for the following children : Lewes, Henry, John, Philip, Edmond, Margaret, Elizabeth, Alice, and another Margaret."[1] According to Elliot these were as follows:
Lewis John was made a Freeman of London before 1401.[2] He was knighted in May 1439.
Lewis John died 27th October 1442, perhaps while overseas, leaving property in Essex, Hertford, Somerset and Dorset.[1][3]
The old 1936 HOP 1439-1509 edition describes him as son and heir of Richard Fitz-Lewis, by Elizabeth le Ba (p.503). The 1993 article online describes him as a son of John, apparently based on interpreting his name as a patronymic.[3]
A 28 Sep 2003 posting by Chris Pitt Lewis on SGM explains that Lewis John's parentage is unknown, but there are interesting conflicting clues. [4] - We can ignore the statement in the History of Parliament, apparently deriving from Morant's History of Essex, that he was son of a Richard FitzLewis and Elizabeth le Ba. This is part of a fictitious pedigree of the Mordaunt family, deriving him from an illegitimate son of the Dauphin Louis who invaded England in 1216.
Note the normal abbreviations:
John Lewis Esquire, as he was known at the time, fought at Agincourt.[5]
Sir Lewis is sometimes said to have had another wife, Elizabeth Neville, daughter of Robert Neville. She is not mentioned in his will. As pointed out by Elliot, accounts of this wife seem confused. She would be the grandniece of one of the known wives, Alice Monacute, who was the real mother of the daughter attributed to her.[1]
From a 1 Oct 2003 posting of Brad Verity on SGM:[6]: The HOP 1993 article on Sir Lewis John says: "Another son, Henry FitzLewis, married the youngest daughter of Edmund Beaufort, duke of Somerset, thus continuing his father's long association with the Beauforts. John's widow [Anne de Montagu] married John Holand, duke of Exeter. By the time of her death in 1457 the only children of her marriage to the Welshman left alive were Elizabeth, wife of Sir John Wingfield, and Margaret, wife of Sir William Lucy." The article doesn't state which wife of Sir Lewis John was the mother of Sir Henry FitzLewis, but if he was alive after 1457, then it had to have been Alice de Vere who was his mother. Conversely, if Anne de Montagu was his mother, then we know Sir Henry was dead, and his daughter Mary FitzLewis, Countess of Rivers, was born, prior to 1457."
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Note his son is Lewis FitzLewis, and that he was *known* to be the son of "Lewis Fitz John." That is to son, his son's paternal grandfather was named John. Not Stephen.
This seems irrefutable proof we are wrong to treat John as a fixed family LNAB here. Of course that did happen in some cases (e.g. Tudor) but apparently not this one.
We ought to use the Welsh or Noman patronymic conventions ("use their conventions not ours") rather than drop both the ap AND fitz (when in reality people like this used both in different contexts) as we give our readers the apparently false father (the notional Stephen John). The patronymic contradicts our connected relationships.
If this man's father were actually a Stephen John, then this man's name would have been Lewis ap Stephen or Lewis FitzStephen. It wasn't. So, that's evidence we have the wrong father connected and/or are labelling the right father with the wrong names.
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https://archive.org/details/visitationsofsuf00harvuoft/page/80/mode/2up
"Sir John FitzLewes" not a certain Lewis John, son of certain Stephen John. What EXACTLY does Richardson say about this man Lewis John, and what are his underlying sources? He's been wrong before. Of course, so have visiting heralds etc.
Can we perhaps agree the History of Parliament is definitive?
http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/john-lewis-1442
edited by Isaac Taylor