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↑ Marth-49 was created by Jim Williamson through the import of BA Combined Tree for DNA Matching_2015-06-18.ged on Jun 19, 2015. This comment and citation should be deleted after a short biography has been added and primary sources have been cited.
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Something went wrong with the data of Johann Daniel's parents. Your link to Johann Adam Marth and Maria Magdalena Wagner is correct, but the data you have for those two is not.
The marriage record of Johann Adam Marth, dated 25 September 1768 in the Altenlotheim church records, gives his wife's date of death as 4 February 1819. This is the day you are erroneously giving for the death of Johann Adam, who died before 1808. In Maria Magdalena's death record, her age is given as 78 years 2 months, indicating a birth date around December 1740 (not 26 August 1687, as given in your tree).
Maria Magdalena is said to be the bereaved daughter of Johann Daniel Wagner from Brinkhausen. That's most likely Ederbringhausen. It can't be Bringhausen, as claimed in your tree, because a Johann Daniel Wagner never lived there (see the one place study linked in the sources), and because "Bringhausen" exclusively referred to Ederbringhausen in the Kirchlotheim church records of the time. I think a tree for the family can be found in the one place study for Oberorke (which includes Ederbringhausen). That's where I suggest to continue with the research on the Wagner side of the family. The link to Wagner-4548 and his wife as Maria Magdalena's parents is definitely wrong, the two lived a century too early, and in the wrong country. Also, her father was called Daniel, not Johannes.
Johann Adam Marth's parents were Johann Daniel Marth (born abt. September 1709 in Altenlotheim, died 6 March 1776 in Altenlotheim), who married on 23 November 1747 in Altenlotheim Anna Christina Mitze (born calc. 8 September 1724 in Altenlotheim, died 15 August 1802 in Altenlotheim), Hermann Mitze's daughter.
I hope that helps to sort out the erroneous connections.
Greetings from Germany!
Daniel Bamberger
Sources:
Marriage Johann Adam Marth and Maria Magdalena Wagner: Kirchlotheim&Altenlotheim, Kirchenbuch 1706-1775, 1768 No.9 http://www.archion.de/p/386befc09b/
Marriage record of Johann Daniel Marth and Anna Christina Mitze: Kirchlotheim&Altenlotheim, Kirchenbuch 1706-1775, Heiratsregister 1747, No.13, p.118 http://www.archion.de/p/993321b143/
Death record of Johann Daniel Marth: Kirchlotheim, Kirchenbuch 1776-1808, Sterberegister 1776, No.8, p.719 http://www.archion.de/p/2d1bb48ad2/
Death record of Anna Christina, Johann Daniel Marth's widow: Kirchlotheim, Kirchenbuch 1776-1808, Sterberegister 1802, No.19, p.790 http://www.archion.de/p/8aa1b756f7/
I will be happy to review the links you have sent, however, until such time I will hold to what has been entered previously.
The information I put in initially was provided to my by Albert and Helen Marth, who transcribed the records directly from Church records in the 1970's. They spent quite a bit of time at the Church in Altenlotheim, and I am sure it is possible they made mistakes in the transcription process, but until I can see this for myself, I will still take their word for it.
Thank you for providing the links to the materials, I am waiting for an account now to look them over.
The information I have on Adam's parents matches what you say and is here in WikiTree.
Thank you, I'll update when the review is complete.
The reason why I came to this profile in the first place was my possible connection to "your" Mitze line (compare my comment https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Marth-49#comment_6621851), which turned out not to be relevant. The father of Hermann Mitze, Johannes Mitze, married twice (first in 1694, and again in 1702). Johannes Mitze came from Ederbringhausen, so it seems unlikely at this point that I will get a connection between him and my line.
In case you wonder how I came to this profile: I am researching the church records of Battenfeld, about 20 miles south west of Altenlotheim, and there was a Mitze family who lived at that place. I was wondering if there was a connection between your Christina Mitze, and my Mitze family.
As far as I can tell, there was not. Christina Mitze's father Hermann Mitze came from Buchenberg, the son of Johannes Mitze from Buchenberg. He married Anna, Hans Henrich Hartmann's daughter from Altenlotheim, in 1724.[1]
Something went wrong with the data of Johann Daniel's parents. Your link to Johann Adam Marth and Maria Magdalena Wagner is correct, but the data you have for those two is not.
The marriage record of Johann Adam Marth, dated 25 September 1768 in the Altenlotheim church records, gives his wife's date of death as 4 February 1819. This is the day you are erroneously giving for the death of Johann Adam, who died before 1808. In Maria Magdalena's death record, her age is given as 78 years 2 months, indicating a birth date around December 1740 (not 26 August 1687, as given in your tree).
Maria Magdalena is said to be the bereaved daughter of Johann Daniel Wagner from Brinkhausen. That's most likely Ederbringhausen. It can't be Bringhausen, as claimed in your tree, because a Johann Daniel Wagner never lived there (see the one place study linked in the sources), and because "Bringhausen" exclusively referred to Ederbringhausen in the Kirchlotheim church records of the time. I think a tree for the family can be found in the one place study for Oberorke (which includes Ederbringhausen). That's where I suggest to continue with the research on the Wagner side of the family. The link to Wagner-4548 and his wife as Maria Magdalena's parents is definitely wrong, the two lived a century too early, and in the wrong country. Also, her father was called Daniel, not Johannes.
Johann Adam Marth's parents were Johann Daniel Marth (born abt. September 1709 in Altenlotheim, died 6 March 1776 in Altenlotheim), who married on 23 November 1747 in Altenlotheim Anna Christina Mitze (born calc. 8 September 1724 in Altenlotheim, died 15 August 1802 in Altenlotheim), Hermann Mitze's daughter.
I hope that helps to sort out the erroneous connections.
Greetings from Germany!
Daniel Bamberger
Sources:
edited by Daniel Bamberger
The information I put in initially was provided to my by Albert and Helen Marth, who transcribed the records directly from Church records in the 1970's. They spent quite a bit of time at the Church in Altenlotheim, and I am sure it is possible they made mistakes in the transcription process, but until I can see this for myself, I will still take their word for it. Thank you for providing the links to the materials, I am waiting for an account now to look them over. The information I have on Adam's parents matches what you say and is here in WikiTree.
Thank you, I'll update when the review is complete.
The reason why I came to this profile in the first place was my possible connection to "your" Mitze line (compare my comment https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Marth-49#comment_6621851), which turned out not to be relevant. The father of Hermann Mitze, Johannes Mitze, married twice (first in 1694, and again in 1702). Johannes Mitze came from Ederbringhausen, so it seems unlikely at this point that I will get a connection between him and my line.
Kirchlotheim, Kirchenbuch 1652-1709, 1694, No.5, p.80 http://www.archion.de/p/5180c37b01/
Best wishes,
Daniel Bamberger
As far as I can tell, there was not. Christina Mitze's father Hermann Mitze came from Buchenberg, the son of Johannes Mitze from Buchenberg. He married Anna, Hans Henrich Hartmann's daughter from Altenlotheim, in 1724.[1]