Lilly Martin
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Lilly Martin

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Mrs. Lilly K. Martin
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It looks like you need a citation for George of Ashe Co. Sizemore-29, and George All Sizemore-1198 having the same Y-DNA. The link below clearly shows the children of Sizemore-1198 coming back to Sizemore-29. Look at Kit #s 131001 and 245531. There's too much ambiguity and/or bias against George All and his family because they're mixed race people on the internet.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/SIZEMORE_DNA?iframe=yresults

Mark

posted by Mark McDaniels
Dear Germany Project member,

it's annual check-in time 2023. If you still wish to remain a member of the Germany Project, please reply to this post, by stating this intention. If we don’t hear from you in the next 30 days, your membership badge will be removed. In this case please don't be offended ... you're welcome to rejoin at any time. Please also note, that in order to receive help, with researching your German ancestors, membership is not mandatory. Just ask your questions in the G2G forum and tag them with Germany in order for knowledgeable people to see them.

If you wish to remain a member, we would like to learn more about your perception of the Germany Project in order to achieve a future development according to our members needs and wishes. For this, we created a survey, which we kindly ask you to fill-in.

In case you want to communicate, discuss and receive help about WikiTree in German, you might want to check out the WikiTree category at Compgen’s Discourse as well as the German Discord server Ahnenforschung.

Of course there’s still the official WikiTree Discord server, where we usually talk English. Feel free to learn more about Discord and the server at Help:Discord.

Kind regards from Black Forest

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posted by Florian Straub
Please kindly allow me to remain a Germany Project member. I have enjoyed my participation, and I have contributed in a small way on my ancestor the Catholic Reformer Martin Luther.

I have other more modern German ancestors who arrived in USA by 1850, and I hope to continue to learn more. Best regards, Lilly Martin

posted by Lilly Martin
Thank you, Lily, for your work on the SIZEMORES. I was birn Gloria Maxine Sizemore from upstate South Carolina. My married name is Appleby. I have been researching the elusive and confusing Sizemores for 8 years. Any and all information on them is appreciated. I am particularly interested in their original arrival to the colonies and where they came from in the European families. My DNA posts heavily in Scotland and for Native American ancestry. Any info on that? Thanks for your help and for your research.
Hi Lilly,

Thanks for your work on Wikitree. I see that you've added several pre-1700 profiles using family search person pages as the sole source for the profile. The person page on FS is not considered a reliable pre-1700 source as that information is user submitted and not necessarily based on actual records. Do you have other reliable sources you could add to those profiles? Cheers, Elizabeth

Hello Elizabeth,

Thank you for the comment. I agree with you completely. The familysearch.org researcher, Wayne J. Domes, is a personal correspondent of mine, and he has been the expert on the Vermilye family (that branch) since 1976. His work is highly respected by other researchers, and he has a deep understanding of these families and their interconnections through marriage. I am currently working with him to obtain the SOURCES and will be adding them to the profiles as soon as available. He uses court documents, books, family held documents which do survive in private hands, and all of the accepted genealogy records we all depend on. He has uncovered over the years, many mistakes in old genealogies published, and he has been correctly old mistakes which have been carried forward by researchers through copy&paste family trees. I will continue to support those profiles with actual sources for identification, and I agree with you this is the proper way. Best regards, Lilly Martin

posted by Lilly Martin
Hello Elizabeth,

I take your comment very seriously, and you will note I spent many hours yesterday adding sources to the early profiles I have added. Betts, Hadley, Vermilye, Tibbetts, etc. All are interconnected through marriages and residency in Lower Yonkers, Westchester Co, NY. I propose to continue adding sources. If you should see any problems or concerns, please contact me here again. I am not a shirker. I am endeavoring to add only correct profiles, or make connections correctly, and I value your attention to my work. Best regards, Lilly Martin

posted by Lilly Martin
I will add that Lilly is definitely not a shirker; she's been a GREAT help recently to WikiTree's Native Americans project.
posted by Jillaine Smith
Lily, would this be the ancestor you are looking for? https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Evans-4443?? If this is the person, it does not have a profile manager, and you could adopt the profile.

This source popped up http://www.next1000.com/family/EC/ewens.william.html

There is also one listed for a William Evands here https://www.packrat-pro.com/ships/bonanova.htm The profile has not been created.

Mary Project Coordinator

posted by Mary Richardson
Hello Mary,

The above next1000 website corresponds to EWENS-5 profile.

The packrat website above is William Evands who is mentioned in the next1000 website as having no heirs.

I was specifically looking for the Ship Captain William Evans, who is Ewens-5, who brought John Gowen-162 to Colonial Virginia, the first African to be freed in Virginia.

Thank you very much for those 2 websites and your time and effort to help me.

Best regards, Lilly

posted by Lilly Martin
Hi Lilly,

Just a quick note to let you know that I've connected my profile for Lucy Ann (Gulliford) Perkins (1849-1906) to your profiles for her parents Green Gulliford (1825-1909) and Martha A. (Stokes) Gulliford (1833-1905) . I'll also add in a few more sources that I found.

Kind regards,

Vicky Majewski

Hello Lilly. It’s been a while since last we corresponded. I remember I first reached out to you several years ago because I got stuck. I couldn’t get past my great great grandfather Solomon Griffin. You opened up a few more generations that led me to discover my roots to Thomas Burden and Priscilla Timbers. That was so exciting! Thank you. While I’ve had to give up my family search due to family obligations, I still follow all the updates that you discover and refine. You have been relentless and tirelessly working hard to keep this family tree true and factual. You are indeed a wonderful wikitreer!

Warm regards, Patricia Chambers

posted by Patricia Chambers
Hi Lilly, I have recently posted another update on the Marilyn Monroe, Her Fina Secret Documentary. I was able to view it on SBS Australia programming and kept detailed notes. I have the post here in detail: https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1442924/marilyn-monroes-father-should-changed-charles-stanley-gifford. I cover the testing which was involved by Ludovic Orlando. of Centre for Anthropobiology and Genomics of Toulouse (CAGT) in Toulouse, France. and Andaine Seguin-Orlando, a permanent Associate Professor in Palaeogenomics at the University Paul Sabatier Toulouse, France.

CAGT is among the world's leaders in genomic research. Like the laboratory in Huntsville, Texas they went to great, meticulous work at de-contaminating the samples and making sure the ONLY DNA was that of Marilyn's. Granted, the amount of DNA extracted was very small but it was well within the threshold otherwise it would also have been discarded as was the samples given to the Huntsville, Texas lab.

At CAGT in France, Andaine Seguin, Associate Professor of Paleogenomics led the extraction process where the hair samples were first cleaned. added an enzyme solution to break down the proteins and completely dissolves the strand of hair. Any potential DNA was now in liquid form inside the tubes. Scientists amplify it to make it visible to their detection system. However,,this provided 5% of the molecules in Marilyn's hair allowing for billions of sequences which provided enough sequences to identify a significant amount of 'Hair Girl's (Marilyn's) DNA. This was then put through high speed sequencing to read each letters of the strands of DNA. The results exceeded expectation. The risk of a false-positive is about 1 in 46 billion. What is most important to me as a genealogist is the biological blood connection and not a name added to a legal birth certificate when in addition strong circumstantial evidence suggests otherwise and now DNA further confirms those suspicions.

What I would propose is to connect Charles Stanley Gifford as the biological father to Marilyn Monroe . However, keep Edward Mortensen as the legal father and site it as such on his profile and Marilyn Monroe's profile.

posted by James Stratman
Hello James,

I appreciate your years of attention to Marilyn. I started working on her genealogy 22 years ago, myself, just on my computer. I noticed at that time so many things were missing, and "books" with commercial theories were presented as facts, when they were not. I was the one, as you recall, who doggedly insisted that Mortensen should be listed as father, since he was in the legal sense. Others insisted that books and theories were better than California state official documents, which I thought was what wikitree was insisting on to present truthful profiles. In the end, I won my case and Mortensen was listed. Now, we need to reverse, based on DNA. I agree with you totally that Gifford should be listed as biological father, with Mortensen mentioned as legal father. I am not sure how he could be linked? Other than just a note in the biography, with his name and profile number to link him should anyone wish to see him. I support your work, and let me know WHAT can I do to get the ball rolling? The "Notables" committee will take time I suppose to make changes. Thank you so much for keeping up with Marilyn. I am not blood related, but I keep in touch with 2 of her relatives from her mother's side. Best regards, Lilly Martin

posted by Lilly Martin
Thank you for your response Lilly. I agree with you. I think we should put notes in the biography section of Marilyn Monroe and make headers as to the biological father and outlining the supporting DNA evidence by Ludovic Orlando. We also should have another header pertaining to Marilyn's legal father with links to Edward Mortensen's profile. I will contact the Notable's Project team about this. I do belong to the Notables Project and contribute when time permits. One only needs to go online and look at the impressive body of work done by Ludovic Orlando and Andaine Sequin-Orlando at the University of Paul Sabatier. They have great expertise in extracting DNA from hair. I would be more than happy to work on this with you. That is wonderful that you keep in touch with Marilyn's relatives. I live about one mile from the Westwood Memorial Cemetery where Marilyn is buried. I have visited often. In the end it is simply about getting at the truth wherever that may lead. I have made a copy for myself of this documentary concerning Marilyn's DNA. I appreciate all your help. My best, James Stratman
posted by James Stratman
Lilly, have you ever worked on Elvis? Not that I want you to divert your attention away from the Sizemores just yet, but when we're done (insert hysterical laughter here), Elvis' supposed Native origins have been an ongoing nightmare.
posted by Jillaine Smith
Lilly, I'm responding briefly to your two messages to me recently. I work now as a long distance truck driver and am constantly driving. No time any longer for research, and barely any for emails. My analysis of the DNA evidence a few years ago has solidly shown that I go back to Howell Brewer Jr., grandson of George Sr. and Sarah Lanier. I'll try my best to get jpeg scans of my chart to you. Plus my short essay explaining my deduction process. My Terminal SNP is I-Y23708, whereas the Terminal SNP for descendants of Lanier Brewer Jr. is different, solidly proving that my White line does not descend thru Lanier, son of George. That is indeed what I too thought at first, but the DNA evidence clearly shows otherwise. All I have time for now. I'll try to follow up soon. Regards, Terry (Terrence)
posted by Terrence White
Hi,

It’s Germany Project check-in time again! Please respond within the next 2 weeks and let me know if you’re still interested in participating with the Project. Remember, the only requirements for membership in the Germany Project are (1) that you work on at least one German profile every 6 months and (2) that you respond to this check-in.

Please respond to this message by posting a reply below or sending me a private message on WikiTree. In your response, we welcome any feedback you may want to give on the project (what you like about it, what you’d like to see us do, what we could change, etc.)

If you ever have any questions, please ask. I look forward to hearing from you soon!

I look forward to hearing from you soon!

Traci ~ Germany Project co-leader

posted by Traci Thiessen
Hi Lilly,

Have you ever considered participating in one of WikiTree's Connect-A-Thons? It's a great opportunity to add new profiles, whether they are extended family members or someone who fits into of one of your projects. The next one will run from Friday, April 22nd to Monday, April 25th.

If you are interested in participating, you can sign up in the G2G forum registration post at https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1392037/have-you-registered-for-the-april-2022-connect-a-thon-yet?show=1395381#c1395381 and add another badge to your collection. They ask you to join a team, so I invite you to join the Mid-Atlantic Team since I notice you have roots in Pennsylvania. You are not limited to adding profiles for only this region, of course. Like you, most of us have roots in many other regions and countries. Hope you'll consider joining the fun!

posted by Star Kline
Hi Lilly, Please add the G2G tag GERMANY to your list of followed tags. You can add new tags by going to https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Special:Following and scrolling down to "Add new Tags". Add Germany in the tag name box, add a couple spaces in the comments box, then hit "Enter New Tag" and you'll be set. Thanks, Traci
posted by Traci Thiessen
Hi, Lilly. Thanks for your contributions! Please know that when you post a profile message on a profile that has a project as a profile manager, such as your message on Brouwer-859, the project's project account (a Google Group) will receive an email notification with the complete text of your message. There is no benefit from also sending a private message to the project account.
posted by Ellen Smith
Hello Ellen, Thank you for this info. I was not previously aware. Best regards, Lilly
posted by Lilly Martin
Hi,

The Germany Project Leaders are doing their semi-annual check-in with all project members and we want to verify that you’re still interested in being a member of the Project. Please respond by private message and let me know.

Are you currently working with one of our Sub-projects or Teams? If not, take a look at our main Project page for a full list.

We really appreciate your contributions on WikiTree, and thank you for all your hard work. If you have any questions, please ask. We would also love to hear any feedback you may have for the project.

I look forward to hearing from you soon!

Traci ~ Germany Project co-leader

posted by Traci Thiessen
Hi Lilly,

Congratulations on receiving the blue Generous Genealogist badge. You are an amazing wikitreer.

Kind regards, Kylie ~ Appreciation Team

posted by Kylie Haese
Hi,

The Germany Project Leaders are doing their semi-annual check-in with all project members and we want to verify that you’re still interested in being a member of the Project. Please respond by private message and let me know.

REMINDERS: (1) We use Google Groups for project collaboration and you aren’t yet a member of the group, please submit a join request here (make sure to add your name/WikiTree ID to the request). (2) add GERMANY to your followed G2G tags so you don't miss any discussions in G2G (see: Help:Tags#How_to_follow_tags Help:Tags).

Are you currently working with one of our Sub-projects or Teams? If not, take a look at our main Project page for a full list. We recently launched a new Profile Improvement Team and are seeking new team members. Let me know if you’re interested.

We really appreciate your contributions on WikiTree, and thank you for all your hard work. If you have any questions, please ask. We would also love to hear any feedback you may have for the project.

I look forward to hearing from you soon!

Traci ~ Germany Project co-leader

posted by Traci Thiessen
Thank you, Lilly, for helping my family break through a block to learn about our great grandfather Maynard Martin and getting me started on Wiki Tree. I look forward to the interesting journey. My DNA connections just got more interesting. 🙂

Laura Filbert Zacher

posted by Laura (Filbert) Zacher
edited by Laura (Filbert) Zacher
Lilly,

The Rhoda Chittam Files Are of the Same Person { Chitham -n 6 & Chittum - 97 } are the same person, so they need to be combined ……

Sam Campbell

posted by Sam Campbell
Thank you for posting those alerts regarding articles in the newest NYGBR, Lilly. I am embarrassed to say that I had received my copy of the issue and put it on a shelf.

The Catharina Davids article, in particular, necessitates some rather radical changes to her profile, as well as changes to profiles or her family members (or creation of additional profiles if the individuals are determined not to be represented here). Would you have the time and interest to work on those changes?

posted by Ellen Smith
Lily, does the article name Catharina's 4th husband, children?

Brouwer only names 3.. Thanks!!

posted by Beryl Meehan
Hi Lilly,

Welcome to the Germany Project. Please read the Germany project page add GERMANY to your list of followed tags, and can you please send me a private message with your email address so i can add you to our Google Group. The group is where our project communicates.

Thanks for joining, I look forward to working with you.

Kylie Haese ~ Germany Project Leader

posted by Kylie Haese
Hello Lilly,

I'm going through the FamilySearch.org images of the Loreto archives page by page and I found records for the profiles that you manage which I added to the profiles. Glad to hear that you approve. I'm researching the Meza, Verdugo, Morillo/Murillo, Drew and Smith families of Loreto and Comondú, Baja California. I would appreciate any tips on these families.

Thanks Austin Pérez

posted by Austin Pérez
Lilly, making more than one thousand contributions in September added so much to the breadth and depth of our Shared Tree. The Appreciation Team thanks YOU!

Pippin Sheppard

WikiTree’s Appreciation Team

posted by Pip Sheppard
Debbie Harvey had added a lot of (Campbell) to Wikitree. Please check before you add any Campbell's to this site. My 2nd great- grandfather Daniel Goode Campbell and his Whole Campbell Family Line has already been added to Wikitree.
posted by Lora Koch
Lilly,

I have just applied a major edit to the profile of John Swindle (Swindle-78) since the original profile merged two individuals. As such your recent comments no longer apply. I will create a new profile for the father of William and Caleb Swindle (if one does not already exist) Alan Swindale (Swindell Y-DNA project coordinator)

posted by Alan Swindale
Hi,

My grandmother was Nelle Malicote. Perhaps She is related to the John Malicote you just added!

Marty Acks

posted by Marty (Lenover) Acks
Hi Lilly,

I need to do more research. I have had past experience with “Karen Tobo.” At that time it was a gentleman using her sign on. He was creating duplicate persons in my tree. The information was incomplete and he didn’t include his sources. The people he created erroneously were my grandmother (LauraBelle Franklin Goins) and great grandmother (Nancy Adeline Griffin Goins). He admitted to doing incomplete research. These Nancy’s appear to be the same person. The name Burnett is not familiar to me. I need to do further research to see if perhaps his entry had been married more than once. If so, I need to find out if that surname would go under “other known names”. He appears to have put Burnett as her maiden name. I have sources that show otherwise. I will correct.

Patricia Chambers

posted by Patricia Chambers
Patricia, it would be great to see you back at WikiTree! I see Lilly has worked on the Burden profiles, and I'm afraid I haven't researched the family enough to weigh in on things like Thomas Burden's parentage. It's great to see you there as his DNA descendant.

I was formerly Karen Tobo, but have never loaned out my login info. I'm sorry to hear you've seen duplicate persons and unsourced profiles. We've got some great volunteers working on the US Black Heritage project as well as so many others. I hope you'll stop by!

Karen

posted by Karen Lowe
Hello, Lilly!

Very well done on your making 1,000 or more contributions to WikiTree in June 2019! We commend and appreciate all of your time and effort in helping to grow and perfect our Shared Tree. Keep up the great work!

Pip Sheppard ~ WikiTree Appreciation Team

posted by Pip Sheppard

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