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Margaret (Plantagenet) Lumley (aft. 1461 - aft. 1498)

Margaret Lumley formerly Plantagenet
Born after in Palace of Westminster, Westminster, Middlesex, Englandmap
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Daughter of [uncertain] and [mother unknown]
Wife of — married before 1477 [location unknown]
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Died after at about age 37 in Englandmap
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Biography

Margaret Plantagenet was an illegitimate daughter of Edward IV of England.[1] Most secondary sources incorrectly call her Elizabeth. She married Thomas Lumley, esq., son and heir apparent of Sir George Lumley, Lord Lumley of Lumley, co. Durham. Together they had four sons and three daughters.

Identity

Almost all secondary sources call the wife of Thomas Lumley "Elizabeth." This even includes recent references such as Royal Ancestry (2013),[2] and Wikipedia.[3][4]

Visitations and pedigrees refer to her as the natural daughter of King Edward IV.[5]

While she is usually unnamed; she is sometimes incorrectly referred to as "Elizabeth." Support for this comes from a papal dispensation issued for the marriage of her son Richard Lumley to Anne Conyers, who were related in the 4th degree (both would have been descendants Ralph Neville, 1st Earl of Westmoreland).

Near-contemporary sources do not actually give her name. They simply state she married Thomas Lumley and was a natural daughter of Edward IV. However, posts on SGM, show that her name was Margaret.[1]

Proof comes from a fine where Thomas Lumley and Margaret his wife conveyed land to their son.[6]

In 1485 she was also called Margaret in the IPM of her husband's grandfather, another Thomas Lumley.[7]

Parents

While Margaret's father is known, the identity of her mother has long been a mystery. Some have argued that she was Edward's mistress Elizabeth Lucy a.k.a. Wayte.[3][8]

Edward IV was Margaret Lumley's (nee Plantagenet) father.

Marriage and Children

By 1477 Margaret married Sir Thomas Lumley, Esq. of Beautrove, co. Durham.[9][3]

sons:

  • 1. Richard, Baron Lumley[10]
m. (dispensation) Anne Conyers.[11]

daughters:

  • 1. Anne.
m. Robert Ogle, 4th Baron Ogle (d.1529/30).[12][13]
  • 2. Sybil
m. William (b. c.1488/90 - d. aft. 1526 or c. 1535), son of William Hilton & Margery Bowes.[14]
  • 3. Elizabeth.
m. William Croswell.[15]

Death

Died: After 1498.[citation needed]

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 Richardson, Douglas, et al. C.P. Correction/Addition: Thomas Lumley, Esquire (died 1502-3), and his wife, Margaret Plantagenet. (Soc.genealogy.medieval Discussion Group, first post 29 October 2013). SGM Google Groups Link.
  2. Richardson, D. (2013). Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5, p. 468-469. Salt Lake City, UT.
  3. 3.0 3.1 incorrectly calls her Elizabeth instead of Margaret
    Wikipedia: Edward IV of England
  4. incorrectly calls her Elizabeth instead of Margaret
    Wikipedia: Elizabeth Lucy
  5. Longstaffe, W. Hylton Dyer ed.Visitation of the Northern Counties in 1530 by Thomas Tonge. (Surtees Soc. 41, 1862): page 27.
    Norcliffe, Charles Best ed. Visitation of Yorkshire in the years 1563 and 1564, (London: Harleian Society Visitation Series, vol. 16, 1881): pages 189-190.
    Collectanea Topographica et Genealogica. (London, 1834): page 304, Neville pedigree dated 1505.
  6. Great Britain PRO. Annual Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records, vol. 35. (London, 1874): page 134.
  7. Great Britain PRO. Annual Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records, vol 44. (London, 1883): page 451.
  8. Weir, A. (2008). Britain's Royal Families: The Complete Genealogy. London: Vintage Books. eBook.
    Weir (2008), states that Elizabeth might be the wife of Thos. Lumley. The author is not absolutely certain.
  9. Wallis, J. (1769). The Natural History and Antiquities of Northumberland: And of So Much of the County of Durham A Lies Between the Rivers Tyne and Tweed, Commonly Called North Bishoprick, II, pp.330. N.p. Google Books. Web. 16 Jan. 2014.
  10. 1509: summoned to Parliament
  11. 11.0 11.1 11.2 11.3 Owen, W. (1790). The Peerage of England, Scotland, and Ireland: The peerage of England, p. 212. Google eBook.
  12. Burke, J. (1831). A General and Heraldic Dictionary of the Peerages of England, Ireland, and Scotland, Extinct, Dormant, and in Abeyance ... England. London: H. Colburn & R. Bentley. Google Books. Web. 12 Jan. 2014.
  13. CAUTION: Collins (1768), states she m. Ralph. But he was 3rd Baron Ogle who m. Margaret Gascoigne
    Collins, A. (1768). The Peerage of England; Containing a Genealogical and Historical Account of All the Peers of that Kingdom Etc. (4th ed. pp.107). London: H. Woodfall. Google eBook.
  14. Bindoff (1982), calls him the de jure 9th baron, while Lewis (2004), simply names him the 9th baron.[1] A Wikipedia list, dating his death to c. 1535, calls him the de jure 8th baron, but the citations are poor.[2]
  15. alias: Eleanor (Elianor) m. ___ Creswell of Creswell, NBL

See Also...

  • Flower, William. Pedigrees recorded at the visitations of the county palatine of Durham. 1887. Pg. 216. Archive.org. [4]
  • Hutchinson, William. The history and antiquities of the county palatine of Durham. 1823. Vol 2. Pg. 500-1. Archive.org. [5]
  • Doubleday, H. A. The Complete Peerage Vol-vii. 1929. Pg. 30. Archive.org. [6]
  • Milner, Edith. Records of the Lumleys of Lumley Castle. 1904. Pg. 381. Archive.org. [7]
  • Tonge, Thomas. Heraldic visitation of the northern counties in 1530. 1863. Pg. 27. Archive.org. [8]
  • Lysons, Daniel. The environs of London. 1792. Vol 1. Pg. 143. Archive.org. [9]
  • Flaherty, William Edward. The annals of England. 1862. Vol 2. Pg. 76. Archive.org. [10]
  • Amherst, William. A hand-list of a collection of books and manuscripts. 1906. Pg. 101. Archive.org. [11]
  • Raine, James. Testamenta eboracensia; or, Wills registered at York. 1865. Vol 3. Pg. 355. Archive.org. [12]
  • Boyle, John Roberts. Vestiges of Old Newcastle and Gateshead. 1890. Pg. 177. Archive.org. [13]
  • Bruce, Mary Elizabeth. Family records of the Bruces and the Cumyns. 1870. Pg. 240. Archive.org. [14]
  • Timbs, John. Abbeys, castles, and ancient halls of England and Wales. 1872. Vol 3. Pg. 308. Archive.org. [15]
  • Quaritch, Bernard. Catalogue of Manuscripts. 1886. Pg. 3453. Archive.org. [16]
  • Surrey Archaeological Collections. 1858. Vol 3. Pg. 333. Archive.org. [17]
  • Stratford, Laurence. Edward the Fourth. 1910. Pg. 319. Archive.org. [18]
  • Murray, John. A Handbook for Travellers in Durham and Northumberland. 1873. Pg. 68. Archive.org. [19]
  • Welford, Richard. History of Newcastle and Gateshead. 1885. Vol 2. Pg. 25. Archive.org. [20]
  • Banks, Thomas Christopher. The Dormant and Extinct Baronage of England. 1837. Vol 4. Pg. 388. Google Books. [21]
  • Nichols, Francis. The British Compendium. 1719. Pg. 157. Google Books. [22]
  • Brogden Baker, Joseph. The History of Scarbrough: From the Earliest Date. 1882. Pg. 96. Google Books. [23]
  • Walker Ord, John. The History and Antiquities of Cleveland. 1846. Pg. 269. Google Books. [24]
  • Leland, John. The Itinerary. 1769. Pg. 60. Google Books. [25]
  • Collins, Arthur. The peerage of England. 1709. Pg. 279. Google Books. [26]
  • Collins, Arthur. The Peerage of England. 1741. 2nd Ed. Vol 2. Pg. 482. Google Books. [27]
  • https://awriterofhistory.com/2013/05/16/edward-ivs-women-by-anne-easter-smith/
  • Lundy, D. The Peearge. Web.[28]




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I have removed Wayte-53 as her mother, there being only conjecture to support this alleged parentage.
posted by Lois (Hacker) Tilton
Plantagenet-1754 and Plantagenet-1721 appear to represent the same person because: Based on father's and husband's and daughter's names and other ancestors and descendants, these two profiles are intended to be the same person and must be merged according to WikiTree policy. Please disregard the death date of about 1700 as this is definitely incorrect. Also she was an illegitimate daughter of Edward IV and Elizabeth Woodville is not her mother.
posted by John Atkinson
Forgot to add that although Elizabeth has often been assumed to be her given name, sources as cited on Plantagenet-1721 prove that it is in fact Margaret.
posted by John Atkinson
Thanks, John. Merge now completed.
posted by Michael Cayley
Visitation of the Northern Counties (Tonge, 1530), ed. Longstaffe, Surtees Soc. 41 (1862). p. 27.
posted by [Living Horace]
Thomas Lumley and Margaret his wife are also mentioned in the Durham IPM of his grandfather Sir Thomas Lumley, Knt., 2nd Lord Lumley, who died 1 April 1485. An abstract of the IPM was published in the 44th Annual Report, pp. 451-452

https://archive.org/details/annualreportdep06offigoog/page/n486

posted by Charlene Newport
Hi Bree, her given name was actually Margaret, not Elizabeth. This is proven by a contemporary license recorded on Membrane 8 of Roll 1 of William Dudley, Bishop of Durham. An abstract of this record was published many years ago in Annual Report of the Deputy Keeper 35 (1874): 134.

https://archive.org/details/ldpd_11897906_035/page/154

See also the soc.genealogy.medieval post by Douglas Richardson in 2013 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/soc.genealogy.medieval/7g__mErVKHs/SjdVE1i8Rm8J

posted by Charlene Newport
WikiTree's naming system for English kings tends to follow their House. ... So yes, this Elizabeth [Plantagenet] is an illegit. dau. of the Yorkist king, Edward IV. ... Her legit. sister Elizabeth of York, married Henry [Tudor] VII.
posted by [Living Ogle]
According to Wikipedia her father was actually Edward who was a king of England and her mother was one of his mistress, and not Edward York unless you mean York is another name for this king?
posted by Laurel (Davies) Zito
Thx RJ! The "Controversy" post at Rootsweb is good!
posted by [Living Ogle]

Rejected matches › Elizabeth (York) Tudor (1466-1503)

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