John Talbot KG (abt. 1387 - 1453)

Born about 1387 in Shropshire, England [uncertain]

Ancestors

Husband of Maud (Neville) Talbot — married before 8 Mar 1407 (to 31 May 1423) in England

Husband of Margaret (Beauchamp) Talbot — married 6 Sep 1425 (to 17 Jul 1453) in Warwick Castle, Warwick, Warwickshire, England

Descendants

Died 17 Jul 1453 at about age 66 in Castillon, France

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Biography

This profile is part of the Talbot Name Study.

John Talbot KG was born in Shropshire, England.

John Talbot, knight, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury, Earl of Waterford, 7th Lord Talbot, Lord Strange of Blackmere, Lord Furnival, was the second son of Richard Talbot, 4th Lord Talbot, and Ankaret le Strange.^{[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9]}

His elder brother Gilbert Talbot (born around 1383) died on military service in 1418 at Rouen.^[10] Gilbert's heir was his daughter Ankaret, a minor, and when she died on 13 December 1421 (aged about 6) her heir was her uncle John Talbot, knight, age 30 years or more, brother of Gilbert.^[3]

The year of birth of John Talbot is uncertain. It was suggested as c 1384, based on his elder bother Gilbert being born around 1383^[1]. Richardson^[9] stated that he was born about 1392, presumably based on Talbot's age given as 30 in the Inquisition Post Mortem of his niece Ankarat Talbot in January 1421/1422,^[3] but this is likely to be an approximate age. John Talbot was old enough to be in charge of two garrisons in 1404 and this points to a birth date in the 1380s: the ODNB itself suggests about 1387.^[11]

He was noted in the Talbot Pedigrees in the Visitations of Shropshire^[12], Worcester^[13] and Yorkshire.^[14]

Marriages

John Talbot married firstly Maud Neville, daughter of Thomas Neville, Lord Furnival, and his first wife Joan Furnival.^{[1][15][16][17][18]} In the will of her father made on 12 March 1406/1407 he noted "John Talbot and Maud his wife".^[15][19]

Maud inherited lands from her father^[20] and also from her maternal grandparents William Furnival and his wife Thomasia.^[21] Maud died around 1423 was buried at Worksop Priory.^[1][22]

John Talbot married secondly Margaret Beauchamp, daughter of Richard Beauchamp, Earl of Warwick, on 06 September 1425 at Warwick Castle.^[1][23] She survived Talbot and according to her monument she died on 14 June 1468 and was buried in the Jesus Chapel of St Paul's, London.^[24][25][26] Complete Peerage^[1] and Richardson^[9] give her date of death as 14 June 1467, while the Berkeley Manuscripts^[27] give both dates.

Children

By his first marriage to Maud Neville:

• John Talbot, K.G., 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury^[12][13]
• Christopher Talbot, Knt.^[28]
• Thomas Talbot (b 1416 in Ireland, died as an infant)^[29]

The accounts of the Talbot household at Blakemere, Shropshire, of 1424-1425, included a sum for the funeral expenses of the Lord's daughter.^[30] The name of the daughter is unknown.

Mother uncertain:

• Katherine Talbot (married Sir Nicholas Eyton)^{[31][32][33][34]} [Richardson^[9] suggested she was illegitimate but there appears to be no specific evidence that she was illegitimate]
• JoanTalbot (married firstly James de Berkeley, Lord Berkeley, as his 4th wife, and secondly Edmund Hungerford Esq.). [Complete Peerage^[35] indicates her mother was Maud Neville, while Richardson^[8] indicates her mother was Margaret Beauchamp]

By his second marriage to Margaret Beauchamp:

• John Talbot, Knt, Viscount Lisle^{[12][13][36][37][38]}
• Lowis/Lewis Talbot, Knt^[36]
• Humphrey Talbot, Knt^[36]
• Eleanor Talbot (married Thomas Butler, Knight, Lord Sudeley)^[14][36]
• Elizabeth Talbot, Duchess of Norfolk (married John Mowbray, Duke of Norfolk)^[14][39]

Illegitimate

• Henry^[9]

The will of Talbot mentioned a daughter Waren.^[36] It is presumed she was his daughter Elizabeth who had married John Mowbray. He had been created Earl of Surrey and Warenne on 24 Mar 1450/1451.^[40]

Career

In December 1404 John Talbot was given charge of garrisons at Montgomery, Montgomeryshire and Bishop's Castle, Shropshire. For the next few years he took part in fighting in Wales.^[11]

In February 1413/1414 he was appointed the king's Lieutenant of Ireland for a period of six years.^[41][42] During this period a feud developed with his Butler cousins the Earls of Ormond.^[43]. He was Lord Justice of Ireland in 1425 and 1426.^[5]

Privy Councillor in 1422 and Lord Justice of Ireland in 1425-1426.^[44]

Marshal of France in 1436^[44], Governor and Lieutenant General of France and Normandy from 1438 and appointed Marshall of the same in 1445.^[5]

Lord Lieutenant of Ireland for the second time from 1445 to 1447.^[5]

He was created a Knight of the Garter in 1424,^[5][45] 1st Earl of Shrewsbury in 1442^[1][5] and in 1446 the Earl of Waterford.^[1]

Chief and Captain of the King's army, and Lieutenant-General of the Duchy of Aquitaine in 1452.^[44]

Arms

A Stall plate for Sir John Talbot, K.G., Earl of Shrewsbury, at St George’s Chapel, Windsor,^[5] bears a shield of arms quartered by:

1. Azure a lion and a bordure gold [Talbot]
2. Gules a lion and a bordure engrailed gold [Talbot] (arms of Richard, 2nd Lord Talbot^[46])
3. Silver two lions passant gules [Strange]
4. Silver, a bend and six martlets gules [Furnivall]

Crest: a gold lion on a cap of estate gules

Stall Plate of Sir John Talbot, KG

See also a seal of John Talbot from 1409-1421 and a Seal from 1456 of his second wife Margaret, the latter including the arms of Belisme (a lion rampant within a bordure), Talbot (a lion rampant within a bordure engrailed), Strange, Furnival, Beauchamp, Neubourg, Berkeley, de L'Isle, and Tyes.^[47]

Death

He died along with his son Sir John Talbot, Lord Lisle, in an attack on the French at Castillon on the Dordogne 17 July 1453.^[1][7]

He was "in the 80 year of his age, as the inquisition after his death shews".^[4][7]

Monument

There is a monument to John Talbot in St Alkmund Whitchurch, Shropshire.^[48][49] Talbot’s body was initially interred in Rouen but had been brought to Whitchurch half a century later by Sir Gilbert Talbot, his grandson. The recumbent figure in stone in part survived the collapse of St Alkmund's in 1711. The church was rebuilt and the monument then restored in 1874.

The inscription is:^[50]

Orate pro Anima praenobilis Domini, Domini Johannis Talbot quondam Comitis Salopiae, Domini Furnival, Domini Verdon, Domini Strange de Blackmere, & Mareschalli Franciae, qui obiit in Bello apud Burdews, VII Julii, MCCCCLIII.

There was also a monumental inscription at Rouen.^[7]

Summary of the Will of John Talbot 1454

In his will made on 01 September 1452 and proved on 18 January 1453/1454^[36] he requested to be buried in the parish church at Blakmere [near Whitchurch, Shropshire]. He made a number of bequests, including to:

his sons Viscount Lysle, Sir Lowis Talbot and Humphrey Talbot;

his wife (not named but was Margaret Beauchamp); and

his daughter Waren [assumed to be Elizabeth Talbot]

He referred to £1,000 that had been paid for the marriage of his daughter Elianore. If Lord Sudeley was to not fulfill his part of the covenants then the Testator's Executors were to sue Lord Sudeley for the repayment of the sum.

He stated that his son and heir (not named but was Sir John Talbot) should not interfere with the terms of the will.

His Executors were his wife, William Catesby, John Brown, N Byllyng, William Notyngham, William Cumberforde, Thomas Everyngham and Roger Stedman. His Overseers were the Bishop of Winchester, the Bishop of Hereford, the Earl of Worcester, and his son the Viscount Lysle.

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1. ↑ ^{1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 1.7 1.8} The Complete Peerage. Vol. XI: Rickerton to Sisonby. London, 1949. 'Shrewsbury', pp 682-731 (see p 698) familysearch.
2. ↑ J. L. Kirby, 'Inquisitions Post Mortem, Henry V, Entries 99-150', in Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem: Volume 20, Henry V (London, 1995), pp. 30-49. Inquisition Post Mortem. Ankaret, widow of Richard Talbot, Knight. Items 107-114 BHO.
3. ↑ ^{3.0 3.1 3.2} Inquisition Post Mortem. Anchoret daughter and heir of Gilbert Talbot, Knight. 1421-1422. E-CIPM 21-785. Mapping the Medieval Countryside.
4. ↑ ^{4.0 4.1} Collins’s Peerage of England: Genealogical, Biographical, and Historical. Greatly augmented and continued to the present time, by, Sir Egerton Brydges, K.J. Vol. III, 1812, pp 11-17 HathiTrust.
5. ↑ ^{5.0 5.1 5.2 5.3 5.4 5.5 5.6} Hope, Sir William Henry St. John. The Stall Plates of the Knights of the Order of the Garter, 1348-1485. A. Constable and Co., ltd., Westminster, 1901 Plate LI; HathiTrust.
6. ↑ Dugdale, Sir William. Antiquities of Warwickshire. Second Edition, Vol. I, 1730, p 73 HathiTrust.
7. ↑ ^{7.0 7.1 7.2 7.3} Lodge, J. The Peerage of Ireland: Or a Genealogical History of the Present Nobility of that Kingdom. Vol. II, 1789, pp 116-138 Talbot (see p 120) Archive.org.
8. ↑ ^{8.0 8.1} Douglas Richardson. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 4 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham, 2nd edition (Salt Lake City: the author, 2011), volume IV, pages 166-169 TALBOT 8.
9. ↑ ^{9.0 9.1 9.2 9.3 9.4} Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City: the author, 2013), volume V, pages 119-122 TALBOT 13.
10. ↑ Inquisition Post Mortem. Gilbert Talbot, Knight. 1418-1419. E-CIPM 21-322. Mapping the Medieval Countryside also IPM of John, Duke of Bedford.
11. ↑ ^{11.0 11.1} Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, entry for 'Talbot, John, first earl of Shrewsbury and first earl of Waterford', print and online 2004, revised online 2008
12. ↑ ^{12.0 12.1 12.2} Visitation of Shropshire Taken in the Year 1623. Edited by Grazebrook G and Rylands JP 1889. Part II. The Publications of the Harleian Society. Vol 29. Talbot Pedigree pp 450-453 Archive.org.
13. ↑ ^{13.0 13.1 13.2} Visitation of the County of Worcester 1569. Publications of the Harleian Society. Vol. XXVII. 1888. Talbot Pedigree pp 131-136 Archive.org.
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15. ↑ ^{15.0 15.1} Testamenta Vetusta. Vol. I. 1826. Will of Thomas Lord Furnival, p 169 Archive.org.
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18. ↑ Holland, J. The History, Antiquities, and Description of the Town and Parish of Worksop, in the County of Nottingham. 1826, p 29 HathiTrust.
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29. ↑ Ware, James, Rt. Hon. Sir. The Antiquities and History of Ireland. Dublin, 1705, p 69 Archive.org.
30. ↑ Ross, B. Accounts of the Stewards of the Talbot Household at Blakemere 1392-1425. Shropshire Record Series Vol 7, 2003, p 46 & 59.
31. ↑ Visitation of Shropshire Taken in the Year 1623. Edited by Grazebrook G and Rylands JP 1889. Part I. The Publications of the Harleian Society, Vol. 28. Eyton pedigree pp 180-182 Archive.org.
32. ↑ The Visitations of Essex 1552-1636. Publications of the Harleian Society. Vol XIII. Edited by Walter C Metcalfe 1878. Volume I. Eton Pedigree p 50 Archive.org.
33. ↑ Visitation of Shropshire Taken in the Year 1623. Edited by Grazebrook G and Rylands JP 1889. Part I. Publications of the Harleian Society, Vol. 28. Barnfeld Pedigree pp 34-35 Archive.org.
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40. ↑ Complete Peerage. Vol. IX: Moels to Nuneham. 1936, p 608 Norfolk familysearch.
41. ↑ Calendar of the Patent Rolls. Henry V. Vol VI. AD 1413-1416. HMSO, 1910, p 164 HathiTrust.
42. ↑ Jones, R. Lost and Found. A Missing Exchequer Issue Roll of 1414 Rediscovered. Archive Fever No. 5, 2018.
43. ↑ ‘James the Usurper and the Origins of the Talbot–Ormond feud’, in Seán Duffy (ed.), Princes, Prelates and Poets in Medieval Ireland: Essays in Honour of Katharine Simms, pp 159–84. Dublin: Four Courts Press, 2013.
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47. ↑ Birch, W de G. Catalogue of Seals in the Department of Manuscripts in the British Museum. Vol III, 1894, pp 572-575 Archive.org.
48. ↑ Egerton, W H. Talbot’s Tomb. In the parish church of St. Alkmund’s, Whitchurch. Transactions of the Shropshire Archaeological and Natural History Society Vol VIII, 1885, pp 413-440 Archive.org.
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• Richardson, Douglas. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 4 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham. 2nd edition. Salt Lake City: the author, 2011. See also WikiTree's source page for Magna Carta Ancestry.
• Richardson, Douglas. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham. Salt Lake City: the author, 2013. See also WikiTree's source page for Royal Ancestry.

See also:

• Cawley: Talbot FMG.
• Royal Ancestry by D. Richardson Vol. I p. 301
• Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, entry for 'Talbot, John, first earl of Shrewsbury and first earl of Waterford', print and online 2004, revised online 2008
• Dictionary of Irish Biography profile for John Talbot (d.1453), Earl of Shrewsbury, author David Beresford (2009):
  • https://www.dib.ie/biography/talbot-john-a8450
• Wikipedia: John Talbot, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury
• Wikipedia: Battle of Castillon
• Standish, John. Transactions of the Thoroton Society (Cooke & Vowles, 1901) Vol. 5, Page 25
• Bartlett, J G (1917) The English ancestry of Peter Talbot of Dorchester, Mass. Privately Published, p 87 Archive.org.
• Maclean, John, Sir. Parochial and Family History of the parishes of St. Mabyn and Michaelstow in the County of Cornwall. 1875, p 52 Internet Archive.
• Nicolas, N H. Report of Proceedings on the claim to the Barony of L'Isle, in the House of Lords. 1829 p xx Google Books.
• Duncumb, J. Collections Towards the History and Antiquities of the County of Hereford. Vol. II, Part I, 1812, p 381 Google Books.
• Tucker, S I. Descent of the Manor of Sheffield. The Journal of the British Archaeological Association. Vol. XXX, 1874, pp 237-277 (see p 243) Archive.org.
• Grant-Duff, Justin. A brief short history of Lord John Talbot, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury, not dated, Academia, accessed 1 March 2021

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