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Aveline (Unknown) de St Hilary (abt. 1110)

Aveline de St Hilary formerly [surname unknown] aka de St Hilaire
Born about in Eure, Loire, Rhone-Alpes, Francemap
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of — married about 1130 in Burkenham, Norfolk, Englandmap
Descendants descendants
Died [date unknown] in Field Dalling, Norfolk, Englandmap
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Biography

Aveline was the wife of James de Saint Hilary and mother of Maud de Saint Hilary who married Roger de Clare. Maud was "daughter and heiress of James de Saint Hilary, of Field Dalling, Norfolk".[1]

Research Notes

Unsourced information/information needing collaboration:

Name: Hesding, de Hesding Changed LNAB to "Unknown".[2]
Father:
  • Not Scotland's King Alexander[3]
  • Not Arnulf deHesdin (holder of Pais de Calais under Duke William)[3] citing thepeerage.com.[4][2]
  • Ernulf de Hesdin, Count of Perche[5][2]
Birth:
  • Date:
    • 1102: no source, but seems reasonable for the mother of a woman who married the younger brother of a man born before 1115. (Roger, husband of Maud, is shown as second son, following Gilbert [born before 1115] in Richardson's Royal Ancestry, Vol II, pp 174-175.) ~ Noland-165 20:41, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
    • 1110 or 1112 might be better, based on husband James St Hilary's birth year of 1110 and daughter Maud's as 1132 (given in Lewis's database).[6]
  • Location:
    • Pais de Calais (Hesdin's probable birth location)[3]
    • Eure, Loire, Rhone-Alpes, France
Died: Field Dalling, Norfolk, England (reasonable guess)
  • Daughter Maud was heiress of James Saint Hilary, "of Field Dalling, Norfolk".[1]

Geni profile for Avelina de Hesding:

Avelina de Hesding, domina Norton, also known as "Aveline de Hesding", "Adeliza de Hesdin", "Ada", "Adeline", "Avelina", "de Hestin", "Adeliza"
Born circa 1081 (45), Hesdin, Artois/Pas-de-Calais, France
Born about 1077 in Hesdin, Pas-de-Calais, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, France
Family:
  • Daugher of Ernulf, seigneur de Hesdin and Emmeline (Normandie) de Normandy
  • Wife of Alan FitzFlaad, Sheriff of Shropshire, married 1105 in Dol De Bretagne, Ille-et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France
  • Mother of
    • Adelina FitzAlan, of Oswestry
    • William FitzAlan, Lord of Oswestry, b. 1110 Oswestry Castle, Shropshire, England
    • Walter fitz Alan, 1st Great Steward of Scotland b. 1105, Oswestry Castle, Shropshire, West Midlands, England; d. c 1177
    • Jordan FitzAlan, Seneschal of Dol, of, Tuxford, Nottinghamshire, England
    • Sibil (FitzAlan) de Freville
    • Simon Jordan FitzAlan, of Norfolk
    • Rhiwallon Fitzalan
  • Sister of
    • Matilda de Hesdin
    • Arnoul de Hesdin, Sheriff of Shropshire
    • William DeGraegham
    • Warine (de Hesdin) Hesdin
Died
  • circa 1126 (37-53), Shropshire, England
  • about 1126 in Oswestry, Shropshire, England
Place of Burial: Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Miscellaneous:
  • Adeliza de Hesding, a younger daughter of Aurnulf, Signor de Hesding in Picardy who held great estates in England at the time of the Domesday Book in 1086.
  • 1100 Went to England with Princess Matilda of Scotland, who married King Henry I Misc 1102 Became Sheriff of Shropshire
Timeline:
  • 1081, born in France
  • 1095, birth of daughter Adelina
  • 1105, birth of son William
  • 1106, birth of son Walter
  • 1107, birth of son Jordan
  • 1109, birth of daughter Sibil (FitzAlan) de Freville, Dol, Normandie, France[7]
  • 1123, birth of son Simon Jordan FitzAlan, of Norfolk Dol, Ille-et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France
  • 1126, death of Avelina, Shropshire, England
Sources (for the Geni information):

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol II, p 176 CLARE #4. Roger de Clare
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 From G2G discussion, Aveline de Hesdin/Hesding was a different woman (probably Aveline; see also this soc-gen.medieval discussion and the Wikipedia articles for that Aveline's husband and father.
  3. 3.0 3.1 3.2 See this G2G discussion.
  4. See specifically this answer and this citation note
  5. Linda Plummer's comment (in the same G2G discussion).
  6. Aveline, "Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors and Cousins" (website, compiled by Mr. Marlyn Lewis, Portland, OR; accessed 3 June 2018)
  7. Sibil FitzAlan in the Web: Netherlands, GenealogieOnline Trees Index, 1000-2015, born 1109, Dol, Normandie, France to Alan FitzFlaald Oswestry/ a Knight and Adeliza Warin de Hesdin
  • Ancestry links: 1, 2, 3
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I don't know what the history of this article is but I just spent quite some time looking and I feel confident nothing on this page is relevant to the wife of James and mother of Maud except (1) her first name and (2) the husband named James and the daughter named Maud.

Am I wrong? Her husband James also only had one heir, Maud. The other two children seem to connect to more problems.

I propose deleting everything except for the sources needed to confirm her name and the 2 basic relationships. So for example Richardson can stay and I would add some of the sources perhaps from her husband's article?

posted by Andrew Lancaster
Is it possible that Hesdin-5 and this Aveline are the same person?
posted by Annie Owen
If anyone's tagged "Hesding", or is otherwise watching this profile, please see this G2G comment: if no objections, I'll change this profile to be "Unknown".
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
G2G post says she's the daughter of Arnulf deHesdin.
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
I removed King Alexander of Scotland as Aveline's father. As far as I can tell, there is no source for "Hesding" as her maiden name, which should probably be changed to "Unknown." A source for her given name would be nice, too.
posted by [Living Schmeeckle]

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