Albert Jenkins Vance
25 Apr 1900
Chapmanville, Logan, West Virginia,
-
14 Mar 1960
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managed by Mary Gulish / last edited 14 Jan 2025
Christina (Vance) McBrinn
abt 1899
Shotts, Lanarkshire, Scotland, United Kingdom
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abt 1984
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managed by Lynne Nelson / last edited 14 Jan 2025
Beryl Bruce (Vance) Bishop
1921
Sandringham, Victoria, Australia
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23 Apr 1971
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managed by Michael Opie / last edited 14 Jan 2025
Mavis Bruce (Vance) White
1916
Essendon, Victoria, Australia
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2016
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managed by Michael Opie / last edited 14 Jan 2025
Athol Walter Bruce Vance
10 Oct 1890
Mackay, Queensland, Australia
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1970
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managed by Michael Opie / last edited 14 Jan 2025
Sheila Bruce (Vance) Lind
14 May 1915
Essendon, Victoria, Australia
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19 Jun 2009
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managed by Michael Opie / last edited 14 Jan 2025
Cyril Heber Bruce Vance
1906
Brighton, Victoria, Australia
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1959
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managed by Michael Opie / last edited 14 Jan 2025
Clive Jocelyn Vance
1857
Geelong, Colony of Victoria
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1933
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managed by Michael Opie / last edited 13 Jan 2025
Ronald Arthur Bruce Vance
1893
Armadale, Victoria, Australia
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abt 03 Aug 1948
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managed by Michael Opie / last edited 13 Jan 2025
Roden Wilberforce Vance
1866
Kyneton, Victoria, Australia
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1912
/
managed by Michael Opie / last edited 13 Jan 2025
Irvepie Irene Vance
1864
Colony of Victoria
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managed by Michael Opie / last edited 13 Jan 2025
Phyllis Dorothy (Vance) Gason
1880
Kew, Victoria, Australia
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1967
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managed by Michael Opie / last edited 13 Jan 2025
Heber Lorraine Vance
1878
Kew, Victoria, Australia
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1958
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managed by Michael Opie / last edited 13 Jan 2025
Wanda S. Vance
1930s
managed by Wanda Vance / last edited 13 Jan 2025
Martha Jane (Vance) Marcum
Feb 1836
Logan, Virginia, United States (West Virginia)
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aft 1900
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managed by Tam X / last edited 12 Jan 2025
Leslie Elliott Vance
abt 13 Mar 1876
Kew, Victoria, Australia
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28 Mar 1953
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managed by Michael Opie / last edited 12 Jan 2025
Guy Stapleton Vance
1875
Kew, Victoria, Australia
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1957
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managed by Michael Opie / last edited 12 Jan 2025
Paris Smith Vance
19 Feb 1888
Sand Creek, Lincoln, West Virginia, United States
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22 Mar 1971
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managed by Betty Toppings / last edited 12 Jan 2025
John W Vance
Apr 1851
Logan, Virginia, United States
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abt 1900
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managed by Karen Ramey / last edited 12 Jan 2025
James Anderson Vance
abt Mar 1849
Logan, Logan, West Virginia, United States
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09 Nov 1931
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managed by Betty Toppings / last edited 12 Jan 2025
Cecil Oakley Vance
1870
Colony of Victoria
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1955
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managed by Michael Opie / last edited 11 Jan 2025
George Heber Bruce Vance
1909
Rutherglen, Victoria, Australia
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1994
/
managed by Michael Opie / last edited 11 Jan 2025
Ethel Norah (Vance) Ashby
1911
Rutherglen, Victoria, Australia
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managed by Michael Opie / last edited 11 Jan 2025
Iler R (Vance) Clark
29 May 1881
Linville, Burke, North Carolina, United States
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22 Jul 1912
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managed by Dave Freeman / last edited 11 Jan 2025
Noel James Bruce Vance
1905
Rutherglen, Victoria, Australia
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27 Feb 1963
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managed by Michael Opie / last edited 11 Jan 2025
George Allan Bruce Vance
1900
Rutherglen, Victoria, Australia
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1921
/
managed by Michael Opie / last edited 11 Jan 2025
Cecil Oakley Bruce Vance
1896
Caulfield, Victoria, Australia
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18 Jun 1939
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managed by Michael Opie / last edited 11 Jan 2025
Robert Glass Vance
abt 1788
Fayette, Kentucky, United States
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26 Dec 1871
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last edited 11 Jan 2025
Lionel Charles Vance
16 Jun 1901
Lorne, Victoria, Australia
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1963
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managed by Michael Opie / last edited 10 Jan 2025
George Rowand Vance
07 Apr 1908
Townsville, Queensland, Australia
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1979
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managed by Michael Opie / last edited 10 Jan 2025
Mary (Vance) Hannah
abt 1782
Berkeley, West Virginia, United States
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abt 1802
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managed by jg Otto / last edited 10 Jan 2025
Samuel Vance
22 Oct 1737
Hunterdon, New Jersey
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24 Jun 1804
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last edited 10 Jan 2025
John Joseph Vance
23 Apr 1878
Dundee, Scotland, United Kingdom
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14 Apr 1955
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last edited 9 Jan 2025
Nat Wayne Vance
18 Apr 1927
Trousdale, Tennessee, United States
-
08 Oct 1992
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last edited 8 Jan 2025
Sarah Catherine Vance
19 Oct 1802
Berks, Pennsylvania, United States
-
18 Aug 1880
/
managed by Bill Soards / last edited 8 Jan 2025
Isabel (Vance) Brown
Jan 1825
Logan, Virginia, United States
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Jun 1900
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managed by Chrissy Locke / last edited 8 Jan 2025
Barbara Noel Vance
1904
Bacchus Marsh, Victoria, Australia
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1987
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managed by Michael Opie / last edited 7 Jan 2025
Juanita Iris (Vance) Harris
1924
-
1964
/
managed by Juanita Lynn Rager / last edited 7 Jan 2025
Noel Lorraine Vance
1889
Bacchus Marsh, Victoria, Australia
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1915
/
managed by Michael Opie / last edited 7 Jan 2025
Olive Ada Vance
1887
Bacchus Marsh, Victoria, Australia
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1887
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managed by Michael Opie / last edited 7 Jan 2025
James Vance
03 Sep 1764
Wrightstown, Bucks, Pennsylvania
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07 Oct 1835
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managed by JaAnna Nelson / last edited 7 Jan 2025
Mary (Vance) Grover
1857
-
1918
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managed by Chelle Shonkwiler / last edited 7 Jan 2025
Mary Marie (Vance) Grover
26 Jan 1857
Gallia, Ohio, United States
-
11 Dec 1918
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managed by Paul Larsen / last edited 7 Jan 2025
Ethel Mae (Vance) Higgins
05 May 1903
Tazewell, Virginia, United States
-
23 Mar 1983
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managed by Kimberly Ann Lindsay / last edited 6 Jan 2025
Susan Ellen (Vance) Waters
abt 12 Dec 1838
Daviess County, Missouri, United States
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abt 21 Jan 1880
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managed by Cindy Irestone / last edited 6 Jan 2025
Samuel C Vance Sr
abt 10 Jan 1773
Augusta, Virginia
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17 Sep 1843
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managed by Brantley Gluesenkamp / last edited 6 Jan 2025
Matthew Vance
abt 1726
Russell County, Colony of Virginia
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01 May 1830
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managed by Cameron Parsons / last edited 5 Jan 2025
Nancy (Vance) Harman
abt 1794
Tazewell County, Virginia
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aft 18 Apr 1873
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managed by Kevin Beavers / last edited 4 Jan 2025
Dave D. Vance
managed by Dave Vance / last edited 3 Jan 2025
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James Rhen Vance
10 Jun 1937
Williamsport, PA
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17 Jan 1997
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managed by Dave Vance / last edited 3 Jan 2025
George Vance
1756
Donegal, Ireland
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26 Jul 1847
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managed by Kimberly Muhonen / last edited 3 Jan 2025
Dessie Vance
/
managed by Nancy Vance / last edited 3 Jan 2025
George Oakley Vance
25 May 1828
London, England, United Kingdom
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25 Aug 1910
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managed by Michael Opie / last edited 3 Jan 2025
Ruth Maud (Vance) Bryce
1903
Queenscliff, Victoria, Australia
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17 Dec 1979
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managed by Michael Opie / last edited 2 Jan 2025
Lionel Gathorne Vance
1868
Kyneton, Victoria, Australia
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1934
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managed by Michael Opie / last edited 2 Jan 2025
Allen Haines Vance
abt 1854
Ohio, United States
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21 Jun 1925
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managed by Dennis Burman / last edited 1 Jan 2025
James Vance
10 May 1816
Washington, Pennsylvania, United States
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29 Jul 1854
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managed by Sheri Steiner / last edited 1 Jan 2025
Joseph Vance
07 Jun 1782
North Carolina, United States
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11 Jul 1857
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last edited 1 Jan 2025
Patrcia Vance
managed by Patrcia Vance / last edited 31 Dec 2024
Ann Eliza (Vance) Waring
11 Feb 1874
Ballymacbrennan, Moira, Down, Ireland
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managed by Valerie Kerr / last edited 29 Dec 2024
Elizabeth (Vance) Dial
1733
Winchester, Frederick, Virginia
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1840
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managed by Ronald Phillips / last edited 29 Dec 2024
Hannah (Vance) Crawford
11 Apr 1723
Frederick, Colony of Virginia
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1817
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managed by Pamela Ratliff / last edited 29 Dec 2024
Alexander Vance
1726
Frederick County, Virginia
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1832
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managed by Josiah Couch / last edited 29 Dec 2024
Andrew Vance
25 Dec 1735
Winchester, Augusta, Virginia
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25 Mar 1808
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managed by William Orr / last edited 29 Dec 2024
Louisa C. (Vance) Summers
19 Oct 1840
North Carolina, United States
-
18 Sep 1923
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managed by Jennifer Kaczor / last edited 29 Dec 2024
Jane (Vance) Jobb
1845
Uxbridge, Durham, Ontario, Canada
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managed by Anne Burnham / last edited 29 Dec 2024
William Vance
abt 1808
-
abt 1861
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managed by Anne Burnham / last edited 29 Dec 2024
Debra Vance
managed by Debra Vance / last edited 28 Dec 2024
Andrew Hoge Vance Sr
abt 1705
Donaghmore, Tyrone, Northern Ireland
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abt 02 Apr 1754
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managed by William Orr / last edited 27 Dec 2024
Burton J. Vance
1920s
managed by Michael Mac Neil / last edited 27 Dec 2024
Lewis Reno Vance
29 Jan 1793
Jackson, Tennessee
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28 Jun 1852
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managed by JaAnna Nelson / last edited 26 Dec 2024
Sarah Jane (Vance) Adkins
1838
Russell or Wise County, Virginia, USA
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01 Jun 1891
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managed by Chris Rose / last edited 26 Dec 2024
Lydia (Vance) Owen
17 Sep 1780
DeWitt County, Texas
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abt 1865
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managed by Anonymous Burnett / last edited 25 Dec 2024
Marcella Laverne (Vance) Lorentzen
14 May 1923
Jefferson Township, Mahaska, Iowa, United States of America
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11 Oct 2002
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managed by Ambar Díaz / last edited 25 Dec 2024
Milton Earl Vance
27 Dec 1897
Jefferson Township, Mahaska County, Iowa, United States
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08 Jan 1968
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managed by Ambar Díaz / last edited 24 Dec 2024
John Milton Vance
26 Jun 1858
Eddyville, Wapello, Iowa, United States of America
-
12 Dec 1939
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managed by Ambar Díaz / last edited 24 Dec 2024
Orville Caldwell Bradley Vance
01 Jun 1826
Connorsville, Fayette, Indiana, United States of America
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06 Oct 1876
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managed by Lance O'Bleness / last edited 24 Dec 2024
Nancy A (Vance) Tate
10 Oct 1819
Piney Township, Washington County, Virginia, United States
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12 Oct 1887
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last edited 23 Dec 2024
Carrie May Vance
03 Mar 1903
Fayette, Pennsylvania, United States
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09 Apr 1906
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managed by Diane Mancini / last edited 23 Dec 2024
Jesse Harry Vance
12 Feb 1876
Everson, Fayette, Pennsylvania, United States
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05 Feb 1962
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managed by Diane Mancini / last edited 23 Dec 2024
Mabel Emma Vance
16 Aug 1870
Pennsylvania, United States
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30 Apr 1921
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managed by Diane Mancini / last edited 23 Dec 2024
John Vance
16 Feb 1850
Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland, United Kingdom
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managed by Linda Bell / last edited 23 Dec 2024
John Bloorhill Vance
22 Apr 1855
Tillicoultry, Clackmannanshire, Scotland
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15 Dec 1921
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managed by Steve Maxted / last edited 22 Dec 2024
Jane (Vance) Hall
29 Sep 1763
Winchester, Frederick, Virginia
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26 Jul 1842
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last edited 21 Dec 2024
Adam J Vance
22 Jan 1820
Monroe, Virginia, United States
-
01 Nov 1890
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managed by Richard Kincaid / last edited 21 Dec 2024
Fannie F. (Vance) Wade
1900
Scott, Kentucky, United States
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29 Mar 2000
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managed by Leigh Taylor / last edited 20 Dec 2024
Joseph Colville Vance
abt 24 Mar 1759
Winchester, Frederick County, Colony of Virginia
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abt 05 Aug 1809
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managed by Emily Holmberg / last edited 20 Dec 2024
Thomas Rigdon Vance
1835
Ohio, United States
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managed by Emily Holmberg / last edited 20 Dec 2024
Loretta (Vance) Lowenstein
07 Sep 1928
Doniphan, Ripley, Missouri, United States
-
23 Jul 1979
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managed by Kim Kolk / last edited 20 Dec 2024
Franklin Vance
abt 1866
Parke County, Indiana
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02 Jan 1940
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managed by Emily Holmberg / last edited 19 Dec 2024
Elaine Vance
18 Dec 1939
Houston, Harris, Texas, United States
-
11 Jan 2003
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managed by Scott Holland / last edited 19 Dec 2024
Arnold W Vance
14 Oct 1916
Pine Mills, Wood, Texas, United States
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09 Dec 2004
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managed by Scott Holland / last edited 19 Dec 2024
Virgil Archie Vance
02 Aug 1913
Texas, United States
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29 Dec 1972
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managed by Scott Holland / last edited 19 Dec 2024
Mildred Christel Vance
05 Jul 1919
Pittsburg, Camp, Texas, United States
-
12 Nov 2012
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managed by Scott Holland / last edited 19 Dec 2024
Bobby Louise Vance
12 Jan 1925
Hawkins, Wood, Texas, United States
-
11 Dec 2010
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managed by Scott Holland / last edited 19 Dec 2024
Walter Lawrence Vance
20 May 1892
Wood, Texas, United States
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26 Nov 1945
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managed by Scott Holland / last edited 19 Dec 2024
Milton Harrison Vance
Aug 1869
Parke County, Indiana, United States
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24 Apr 1927
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managed by Emily Holmberg / last edited 19 Dec 2024
Eliza Jane Vance
abt 27 Aug 1854
Parke County, Indiana
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17 Aug 1918
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managed by Emily Holmberg / last edited 19 Dec 2024
Jesse Lyle Vance
22 May 1889
Newman, Douglas County, Illinois, United States
-
29 Jun 1945
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managed by Emily Holmberg / last edited 18 Dec 2024
Eileen Vance
managed by Eileen Vance / last edited 17 Dec 2024
James Vance
15 Sep 1760
Frederick, Virginia
-
10 May 1836
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last edited 17 Dec 2024
Joseph Vance Sr.
24 Mar 1750
Winchester, Frederick, Virginia
-
06 May 1832
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managed by Colleen LaClair / last edited 17 Dec 2024
James Howard Vance III
10 Jan 1942
Ardmore, Montgomery, Pennsylvania, USA
-
22 Jul 2017
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managed by US Black Heritage Project WikiTree / last edited 16 Dec 2024
Benjamin Vance
04 Feb 1893
Logan County, West Virginia, United States
-
27 Oct 1963
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managed by Mary Gulish / last edited 14 Dec 2024
Addison Vance Jr.
13 Oct 1867
Wayne, West Virginia, United States
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managed by Mary Gulish / last edited 14 Dec 2024
Joseph Edward Vance
20 Dec 1866
Gatton, Queensland, Australia
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16 Mar 1950
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managed by Faith Shaw / last edited 13 Dec 2024
Patti Vance
managed by Patti Vance / last edited 12 Dec 2024
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Julia Ann (Vance) Baker
16 Feb 1854
Morgan Township, Gallia, Ohio, United States
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08 Oct 1928
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last edited 11 Dec 2024
Amelia (Vance) Ley
24 Jan 1914
Eureka, Humboldt, California, United States
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04 Sep 1999
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managed by Lance Martin / last edited 11 Dec 2024
Harry Prescott Vance
13 Apr 1878
Eureka, Humboldt, California
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11 Sep 1951
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last edited 11 Dec 2024
Nancy Jane (Vance) Sundberg
31 Aug 1946
Humboldt, California, United States
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11 Aug 2024
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managed by Lance Martin / last edited 11 Dec 2024
Clarence L. Vance
04 May 1885
Ohio, United States
-
18 Mar 1972
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managed by Amy Mann / last edited 11 Dec 2024
Milton Eastman Vance
Nov 1859
Ohio, United States
-
07 Feb 1946
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managed by Amy Mann / last edited 11 Dec 2024
Jewel M Bell (Vance) Cain
27 Dec 1877
Washington Township, Dallas, Missouri, United States
-
01 Oct 1954
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last edited 10 Dec 2024
John I Vance
13 Dec 1900
Webster, Missouri, United States
-
07 Jan 1953
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managed by Wilda Pingel / last edited 10 Dec 2024
Arthur Earl Vance
08 Sep 1913
Webster County, Missouri, United States
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29 Dec 1964
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last edited 10 Dec 2024
Clarence Weldon Vance
02 Jun 1908
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States
-
19 Dec 1992
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last edited 8 Dec 2024
Joanna (Vance) Baxter
abt 30 Mar 1757
Wrightstown, Bucks County, Pennsylvania
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abt 22 Apr 1792
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managed by Emily Holmberg / last edited 8 Dec 2024
Mary Ellen (Vance) Stamper
16 Dec 1852
Newton, Mississippi, United States
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19 Jul 1880
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managed by Gregory Rose / last edited 8 Dec 2024
Thomas James Vance Sr.
abt 1795
County Fermanagh, Ireland
-
13 Aug 1879
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managed by Jennie Vance / last edited 8 Dec 2024
James Jackson Vance
abt 1818
Ireland
-
10 Sep 1879
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managed by Jennie Vance / last edited 8 Dec 2024
Elizabeth Vance
abt 1783
Virginia, United States
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abt 1818
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managed by Deborah Logan / last edited 6 Dec 2024
Jennie E. Vance
1980s
managed by Jennie Vance / last edited 6 Dec 2024
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Jane (Vance) Murphy
27 Aug 1813
Pennsylvania, United States
-
10 Sep 1896
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managed by Lysanne Ryan / last edited 5 Dec 2024
Robert Vance Sr
1764
Ballybay, County Monaghan, Ireland
-
31 May 1853
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managed by Scott Lytle / last edited 4 Dec 2024
Thomas DeKalb Vance
29 Jan 1834
Yancey County, North Carolina, USA
-
10 May 1922
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managed by Emily Holmberg / last edited 4 Dec 2024
Lodema Vivian (Vance) Hunniford
abt 12 Jul 1867
Vandalia, Fayette County, Illinois, United States
-
17 Jul 1929
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managed by Emily Holmberg / last edited 4 Dec 2024
Nancy (Vance) Yates
abt 08 Oct 1860
Illinois, United States
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abt 04 Apr 1903
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managed by Emily Holmberg / last edited 4 Dec 2024
John Vance
abt Jun 1840
Pennsylvania, United States
-
aft 1920
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managed by Emily Holmberg / last edited 3 Dec 2024
Nancy (Vance) Short
06 Aug 1840
Wayne County, Missouri, United States
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10 Sep 1901
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last edited 3 Dec 2024
Paula Vance
managed by Paula Vance / last edited 2 Dec 2024
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Henry A. Vance
1920s - 1990s
managed by Steph Creamer / last edited 2 Dec 2024
Nannie Vance
abt 1890
Kentucky, United States
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managed by Steph Creamer / last edited 2 Dec 2024
Ronald Vance
abt 1908
Kentucky, United States
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managed by Steph Creamer / last edited 2 Dec 2024
Alice R Vance
abt 24 Dec 1855
Rockville, Parke County, Indiana, United States
-
07 May 1928
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managed by Emily Holmberg / last edited 2 Dec 2024
James Vance
1811
Drumkeeran Parish, Fermanagh, Ireland
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31 Aug 1879
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managed by Linda Lord / last edited 2 Dec 2024
Inez (Vance) Mills
21 Aug 1867
Logan County, Illinois, USA
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18 Aug 1918
/
managed by Thomas Odell / last edited 1 Dec 2024
William Simpson Vance
12 Oct 1843
Virginia, United States
-
22 Dec 1912
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managed by Emily Holmberg / last edited 1 Dec 2024
Isabella (Vance) Gray
09 Jun 1805
Drumkeeran, Fermanagh, Ireland
-
04 Oct 1889
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managed by Berice Lawson / last edited 1 Dec 2024
Jane R. Vance
1830
Washington, Pennsylvania, United States
-
18 Nov 1880
/
last edited 30 Nov 2024
Grover Smith Vance
08 Dec 1888
Reid, Calhoun, Mississippi, United States
-
03 Nov 1971
/
managed by Kris Shearer / last edited 30 Nov 2024
John Thomas Vance
09 Apr 1917
Thorn, Chickasaw County, Mississippi, United States
-
29 Nov 2008
/
managed by Melody Nabors / last edited 30 Nov 2024
John Brown Vance
25 Feb 1823
Missouri, United States
-
02 Feb 1883
/
managed by Stanley Duett / last edited 30 Nov 2024
Addison Vance
abt 1833
Logan County, Virginia, United States
-
aft 1880
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managed by Emily Holmberg / last edited 30 Nov 2024
Robert Vance
1796
Virginia, United States
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Jul 1829
/
last edited 30 Nov 2024
Robert Vance
1769
Winchester, Frederick, Virginia, United States
-
19 Jul 1811
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last edited 30 Nov 2024
Jane (Vance) Harper
abt Aug 1847
Ireland
-
abt 1910
/
managed by John McNamara / last edited 29 Nov 2024
Sarah (Vance) Adkins
22 Jun 1879
Wayne, West Virginia, United States
-
11 Nov 1942
/
managed by Mary Gulish / last edited 29 Nov 2024
John Vance
1800
/
last edited 29 Nov 2024
Haden Vance
13 Apr 1921
Lafayette County, Mississippi, United States
-
09 Jun 1990
/
managed by Shirley Antar / last edited 28 Nov 2024
Samuel Vance
1849
County Donegal, Ireland
-
11 Aug 1930
/
managed by Guy Auxer / last edited 28 Nov 2024
Earl Kenneth Vance
27 Apr 1900
Mount Victory, Hale Township, Hardin County, Ohio, United States
-
11 Jul 1966
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managed by Emily Holmberg / last edited 27 Nov 2024
Sarah Vance
23 Mar 1792
North Carolina, United States
-
07 Nov 1844
/
last edited 26 Nov 2024
Samuel Vance
10 May 1766
-
20 Oct 1846
Laurens County, South Carolina, United States /
last edited 26 Nov 2024
Thomas Franklin Vance
12 Mar 1859
Newton, Mississippi, United States
-
15 Feb 1947
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managed by Jennie Vance / last edited 25 Nov 2024
Norris Burnett Vance
05 Sep 1899
Newton County, Mississippi, USA
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29 Mar 1984
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managed by Ross Geissmann / last edited 25 Nov 2024
Roxana (Vance) Norris
06 Aug 1877
Bessemer, Jefferson, Alabama, United States
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06 Apr 1942
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last edited 25 Nov 2024
Samuel Vance
abt 1862
Logan, Virginia, United States
-
12 Jul 1943
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managed by Sandi Compton / last edited 25 Nov 2024
McKinley Vance
abt 1819
Virginia, United States
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abt 1880
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managed by Vickie Loyd / last edited 25 Nov 2024