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Stephen Yates (abt. 1756 - 1836)

Stephen Yates
Born about in Pittsylvania Co., VAmap
Ancestors ancestors
Son of [father unknown] and
Brother of [half], [half], [half], [half] and [half]
[spouse(s) unknown]
[children unknown]
Died at about age 80 in Pittsylvania County, Virginia, United Statesmap
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Profile last modified | Created 24 Jun 2014
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Biography

This biography was auto-generated by a GEDCOM import.[1] It's a rough draft and needs to be edited.

Birth

Birth:
Date: ABT 1756
Place: Pittsylvania Co., VA[2]

Death

Death:
Date: 1836[3]

Reference

Reference: 7585

User ID

User ID: B78037F2CFD24EE9872B7CF4C83906EE4F09

Note

Note: #NI307

Data Changed

Data Changed:
Date: 28 SEP 2011
Time: 09:01:00

Prior to import, this record was last changed 09:01:00 28 SEP 2011.

Marriage

Husband: Stephen Yates
Marriage:
Date: WFT 1787-1803[4]
Data Changed:
Date: 26 APR 2006
Time: 13:04:00
Husband: John Yates
Wife: Elizabeth UNKNOWN
Marriage:
Date: WFT 1751-1772[5]
Child: @I0300@
Child: @I0301@
Child: Elijah Yates
Child: @I0304@
Child: @I0305@
Child: @I0308@
Child: Hannah Yates
Child: Stephen Yates
Data Changed:
Date: 26 APR 2006
Time: 13:04:00
  • Fact: Oath Allegiance (1777) Pittsylvania County, Virginia, United States


Sources

  1. ↑ Yates-2023 was created by Rick Watts through the import of RickWatts.ged on Jun 11, 2014. This comment and citation can be deleted after the biography has been edited and primary sources are included.
  2. ↑ Source: #S0002
  3. ↑ Source: #S0002
  4. ↑ Source: #S0002
  5. ↑ Source: #S0002


  • "Family Tree," database, FamilySearch (http://familysearch.org : modified 07 July 2017, 01:10), entry for Stephen Yates Sr(PID https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/4:1:LHZ9-W2R); contributed by various users.
  • Source: S0002 Title: Brøderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #6253, Date of Import: Dec 31, 1995 Abbreviation: Brøderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #6253, Date of Import: Dec 31, 1995 Data Changed: Date: 25 NOV 2011 Time: 07:15:02

Notes

No NOTE record found with id NI307.





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John Yates
It's clear now. Stephen Yates of this profile, of Pittsylvania, who owned Yates Tavern, father of Samuel who also ran the tavern and others, was NOT a brother of William Yates, Thomas Yates, and James Yates, the three Yates brothers who went from Caswell NC to Robertson Tn. The Y-DNA profiles of paternal-line descendants show that Stephen and Thomas were NOT related paternally, at least not within a thousand years.

One source named 'Miss Kilgore' as the wife of John Yates and mother of the 3 brothers who went to Robertson Tn. This appears to be the only source for her. She should not be linked to this Stephen Yates, either. (Indeed, I can find no evidence that her first name was Elizabeth. Due to conflating John Yates, father of the brothers who went to Robertson Tn, and John Yates of Dan River, whose widow was Elizabeth __, 'Elizabeth Kilgore' was made, or so it appears.)

I will edit this profile to remove the three links (Elizabeth Kilgore, Thomas Yates, William Yates) in a few days unless the profile manager offers a reason to preserve the links. No other profiles are linked to this profile currently.

posted by John Yates
Watts-3128 Rick Watts
Hi John! Could you please provide the Y-DNA information? With Y DNA the certainty of paternity needs to be taken into account also, so I am interested to know the Y genotype and genetic distance. It is easier to prove with Y DNA and genetic distances greater than 4 than it is to disprove. I am not trying to argue the point, I would just like to see the evidence and it is not obvious without Y DNA test takers being linked to this profile.

Thank you

posted by Rick Watts
John Yates
Actually, it's the other way around. Say Stephen Yates and Thomas Yates were second cousins. Their Y-37 profiles would probably be identical, or would certainly be close, were they alive to test. Likewise, their paternal-line descendants today would match closely. All the Y match would show is that Stephen and Thomas were related paternally, not that they were brothers. But we have the opposite result. Their pat-line descendants don't match at all. They differ at 18 of 37 markers in Family Tree's Y-37 test! I doubt that you can find two lines within the broad haplogroup that are more distant than this -- and the M253 group emerged when, at least 6000 years ago? Non-relatedness by Y, in a genealogical sense, is proven here.

Now, an argument might be made that a tester's tree might be wrong and that we need more testers. This isn't the case for Stephen, with several who have tested. It's unlikely the case for Thomas, because the genealogy after him is pretty clear. A second descendant of Thomas will have test results in a few weeks, if you want to wait.

As to DNA tests linked to profiles, we have a problem. I just added profiles down from Stephen Yates to a Y tester, Yates-7020. (I used the other profile for Stephen, Yates-2984, because his children are there.) But Wikitree rules don't allow me to add his test to his profile, even though he is now dec'd. The second descendant of Thomas Yates to test is at WikiTree and will link his Y test to his profile. That test should eventually show up on this profile of Stephen Yates, if the profile isn't changed. That may lead descendants of this Stephen to think that they match by Y to a descendant of Thomas, when if fact they don't. The only way to compare the tests is to join the Yates Surname Project at Family Tree. New privacy setting there make the site difficult or impossible to use though. The only solution may be to report results here in a bio, as matching to what degree, or not.

posted by John Yates
edited by John Yates
Watts-3128 Rick Watts
Thank you. I will dig into your response. I was actually referring to mistaken paternity as why it is more positive than negative. Half-brothers with different fathers would seem to be proven not brothers by Y, but still show their relationship autosomally. And the autosomal DNA relationships become muddy after just a few generations making triangulation required. Many events could occur where a half-sibling is raised as though they are a full sibling including on all the records. So even brother's having different Y does not mean they are not brother's from a genealogical perspective. Whereas if their Y matches perfectly that would be additional supporting evidence for the records.

I am not saying that is what happened here. Just that I want to look at it closer. Thanks, Rick

posted by Rick Watts
Dick-1464 Katherine (Dick) Benbow
Yates-2984 and Yates-2023 do not represent the same person because: The Yates-2023 profile lists Elizabeth Kilgore as mother, even though the will quoted on her WT page does not name a son Stephen even though it names other children. I have viewed microfilm of that will, and there is no mention of Stephen. Therefore I will not merge Yates-2984 with a profile which has a major error like that.
posted by Katherine (Dick) Benbow
Knight-5503 Susan (Knight) Gore
Yates-2984 and Yates-2023 appear to represent the same person because: Duplicate
posted by Susan (Knight) Gore

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