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John James Yates (1790 - 1886)

Reverend John James [uncertain] Yates
Born in Culpeper, Virginia, United Statesmap
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Son of and
Brother of , and
Husband of — married about 1810 in Tennesseemap
Husband of — married about 8 Jul 1827 in Tennessee, United Statesmap
Husband of — married about 1861 in Tennessee, United Statesmap
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Died at about age 96 in White, Tennessee, United Statesmap
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Biography

John was born about 1790 in Culpepper County, Virginia. He was the son of Benjamin Yates and Sarah Shockley.

He passed away about 1886 in White County, Tennessee. John was laid to rest in Old Union Cemetery, Sparta, White County, Tennessee, United States. [1]

Obituary

"REV. JOHN YATES. METHODIST PREACHER AND HIS THIRTY-THREE CHILDREN" "Rev. John Yates, an early Methodist preacher, settled in Hickory Valley, White County, neighbor to the Lewis, Wallace, Passon and other families. Some of his descendants are said to have been prominent in White County, and he appears to have had plenty of descendants, in view of the fact that he became the father of no less than thirty-three children. He used to preach out in the Cumberland mountains and it is said that he would sometimes ride to his appointments steer-back, always riding a steer who could climb the long steep hills. For some mysterious reason, never explained, he had killed his horse with a pocket-knife, slitting its throat. This crime (?) took place under a poplar tree, whose leaves thereafter all turned white, and the people said it was because of the cold-blooded act of Parson Yates. It was the only known "White-Leaf Poplar" in White County. Rev. John Yates lived to be ninety-six years of age."

Worth S. Ray, Tennessee Cousins, A History of Tennessee People, p. 520.

Census Records

1820 Census - Greenbrier, Virginia [2]

1830 Census - Greenbrier, Virginia [3]

1840 Census - White County, Tennessee, United States [4]

1850 Census - White county, Tennessee, United States [5]

1860 Census - Van Buren County, Tennessee [6]

1870 Census - Van Buren County, Tennessee [7]

1880 Census - Van Buren County, Tennessee [8]

Research Notes

The middle name James for John Yates is questionable as there aren't any sources to substantiate the name.

Sources

  1. ↑ Find a Grave, database and images (www.findagrave.com/memorial/75707244/john-yates : accessed 30 July 2021), memorial page for Rev John Yates (1790–1886), Find A Grave: Memorial #75707244, citing Old Union Cemetery, Sparta, White County, Tennessee, USA ; Maintained by Fran (contributor 47272643) .
  2. ↑ "United States Census, 1820," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHLT-LSJ : accessed 31 July 2021), John Yates, Lewisburg, Greenbrier, Virginia, United States; citing p. 197, NARA microfilm publication M33, (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), roll 132; FHL microfilm 193,691.
    Event Type: Census
    Name: John Yates
    Event Date: 1820
    Event Place: Lewisburg, Greenbrier, Virginia, United States
  3. ↑ "United States Census, 1830," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XH54-SFS : 20 February 2021), John Yates, Greenbrier, Virginia, United States; citing 209, NARA microfilm publication M19, (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), roll 190; FHL microfilm 29,669.
    Event Type: Census
    Name: John Yates
    Event Date: 1830
    Event Place: Greenbrier, Virginia, United States
  4. ↑ "United States Census, 1840," database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHT1-1T2 : 2 March 2021), John Yates, White, Hall, Georgia, United States; citing p. 11, NARA microfilm publication , (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), roll ; FHL microfilm .
  5. ↑ "United States Census, 1850," database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MC63-NS4 : 23 December 2020), John Yates, White, Tennessee, United States; citing family , NARA microfilm publication (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.).
    Event Type: Census
    Name: John Yates
    Sex: Male
    Age: 60
    Event Date: 1850
    Event Place: White, Tennessee, United States
    Event Place (Original): White county, White, Tennessee, United States
    Birth Year (Estimated): 1790
    Birthplace: Virginia
    Race: White
    House Number: 284
    Schedule Type: 1850 Population
    Household Gender Age Birthplace
    John Yates M 60 Virginia
    Elizabeth Yates F 58 Tennessee
    Viny Yates F 26 Tennessee
    John Yates M 22 Tennessee
    Elizabeth Yates F 17 Tennessee
    Larkin Yates M 15 Tennessee
    Wyat Yates M 13 Tennessee
    John H Graham M 8 Tennessee
  6. ↑ "United States Census, 1860", database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M8TT-R4C : 18 February 2021), John Yeates, 1860.
    Event Type: Census
    Name: John Yeates
    Sex: Male
    Age: 69
    Event Date: 1860
    Event Place: Van Buren, Tennessee, United States
    Event Place (Original): [Blank], Van Buren, Tennessee, United States
    Birth Year (Estimated): 1791
    Birthplace: Virginia
    Race: White
    Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
    John Yeates Male 69 Virginia
    Elizabeth Yeates Female 68 Tennessee
    Viney Yeates Female 33 Tennessee
    Elizabeth Yeates Female 26 Tennessee
    Madison Hayse Male 20 Tennessee
    John Hayse Male 15 Tennessee
    Alven Yeates Male 27 Tennessee
  7. ↑ "United States Census, 1870", database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MD8C-6YT : 29 May 2021), John Yates, 1870.
    Event Type: Census
    Name: John Yates
    Sex: Male
    Age: 79
    Event Date: 1870
    Event Place: Van Buren, Tennessee, United States
    Event Place (Original): District 2, Van Buren, Tennessee, United States
    Birth Year (Estimated): 1791
    Birthplace: Tennessee
    Race: White
    Page Number: 25
    Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
    John Yates Male 79 Tennessee
    Rosan Yates Female 35 Tennessee
    Lodema Yates Female 14 Tennessee
    Legrand Yates Male 8 Tennessee
    Jabez Yates Male 9 Tennessee
    Barphine Yates Male 7 Tennessee
    Wayman Yates Male 3 Tennessee
  8. ↑ "United States Census, 1880," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MDWN-LJD : 20 February 2021), John Yates, District 2, Van Buren, Tennessee, United States; citing enumeration district ED 127, sheet 249C, NARA microfilm publication T9 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), FHL microfilm 1,255,283.
    Event Type: Census
    Name: John Yates
    Sex: Male
    Age: 87
    Event Date: 1880
    Event Place: District 2, Van Buren, Tennessee, United States
    Birth Year (Estimated): 1793
    Birthplace: Virginia, United States
    Marital Status: Married
    Occupation: Minister Of Gospel
    Race: White
    Relationship to Head of Household: Self
    Father's Birthplace: Virginia, United States
    Mother's Birthplace: Virginia, United States
    Person Number: 0
    Sheet Letter: C
    Sheet Number: 249
    Volume: 1
    Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
    John Yates Self Male 87 Virginia, United States
    Rose A Yates Wife Female 46 Tennessee, United States
    Lodumona Yates Daughter Female 23 Tennessee, United States
    Lee Yates Son Male 17 Tennessee, United States
    Jabuz Yates Son Male 16 Tennessee, United States
    Wayman S Yates Son Male 14 Tennessee, United States
    Basefiend Yates Son Male 11 Tennessee, United States
    Lucinda Yates Daughter Female 7 Tennessee, United States
    Mary E Yates Daughter Female 3 Tennessee, United States
    Luther C Yates Son Male 5 Tennessee, United States
    Ann A Yates Daughter Female 1 Tennessee, United States
See also:
  • Yates Publishing, FGSE, 1598.052, 1598.053 and 1598.054 Doris J. Welch, Sparta, TN.




Memories: 1
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Alan Wyatt
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wbarfieldsr/pafg163.htm#6004

"My Daddy did not grow up in Sparkmantown;.....and did not have a total grasp on the fact that, for all the talking that was done, there were a few things that just weren't talked about in Sparkmantown. One of these things innocently popped up in conversation one night when we were visiting down at Grover's. Daddy was telling about some of the strange stories that he had heard since coming to Van Buren County,...and gave an example of a situation in which a Van Buren County man had left his wife at home and gone away to fight in the War Between the States,.....was not heard from for a long period of time;...his wife figured he was dead...so she married someone else. Then, a while later, the "original" husband came home and found his wife living with a "new" husband. The "new" husband and the "original" husband were said to have sat down to work things out;...and at the end of the discussion, the "original" husband rode away carrying the "new" husband's prize shotgun...and the "new" husband kept the wife. Daddy told this story in the spirit of good humor;....but I remember things being sort of quiet there in Grover's & Angie's house for a few minutes after Daddy told that story.

When we had finished our visit, and were in the truck headed for home, Mama said to Daddy, "I wish I could have reached and pinched you while you were telling about that shotgun trade;.....THAT WAS GROVER'S GRANDPA!" I remember things being sort of quiet there in the truck the rest of the way home.

More than forty years later, something nudged a compartment in my memory, and the conversation of that evening at Grover's & Angies was recalled. At this time, however, with age having diverted my curiosity toward non-childish things,...I proceeded to go looking for the identity of Grover's GRAND-MA...(since it was reasonable that she might have been closely involved with some of the capers of Grover's GRAND-PA).

Of Grover's two grandmas, I quickly focused on his maternal grandma....Rosie McBride Hayes Yates.

Rosie McBride appears to have given birth to an illegitemate daughter, Lodema, sometime in the mid-1850's. I say this because Lodema used the name McBride when she got married to Drew Spears many years later.

According to the Van Buren County, Tennessee marriage records, Rosie married Jacob Hayes (Hais) on November 1, 1855. The 1850 census found a Jacob Hayes living in the household of Amanda Hayes in District 11 of White County . It would seem reasonable that this was the same Jacob Hayes that married Rosie.

I have not yet found where Jacob and Rosie were living when the 1860 census was taken.

Madison Hayes,...however, is found in the 1860 census....living in the household of John Yates, a preacher who gained considerable notoriety in his time. Preacher John Yates is said to have been born in Virginia in 1791,....and to have participated in the War of 1812. He is credited with having killed his horse by cutting its throat with a pocket knife;...and with riding a STEER thereafter,...with wearing a six-shooter while he preached,....and being the father of 33 children (I have found the names of more than 20 of them).

I find that Jacob Hayes and James M. Hayes (James Madison Hayes, without a doubt) both joined the Confederate Army at the same place on the same day....Camp Smartt in Warren County, Tennessee...on September 6, 1861. Both went to Company C, 35th Tennessee. It is believable that these two Hayes boys were well acquainted;...and possibly related. I have not established, however, that they were brothers." "My Daddy did not grow up in Sparkmantown;.....and did not have a total grasp on the fact that, for all the talking that was done, there were a few things that just weren't talked about in Sparkmantown. One of these things innocently popped up in conversation one night when we were visiting down at Grover's. Daddy was telling about some of the strange stories that he had heard since coming to Van Buren County,...and gave an example of a situation in which a Van Buren County man had left his wife at home and gone away to fight in the War Between the States,.....was not heard from for a long period of time;...his wife figured he was dead...so she married someone else. Then, a while later, the "original" husband came home and found his wife living with a "new" husband. The "new" husband and the "original" husband were said to have sat down to work things out;...and at the end of the discussion, the "original" husband rode away carrying the "new" husband's prize shotgun...and the "new" husband kept the wife. Daddy told this story in the spirit of good humor;....but I remember things being sort of quiet there in Grover's & Angie's house for a few minutes after Daddy told that story.

When we had finished our visit, and were in the truck headed for home, Mama said to Daddy, "I wish I could have reached and pinched you while you were telling about that shotgun trade;.....THAT WAS GROVER'S GRANDPA!" I remember things being sort of quiet there in the truck the rest of the way home.

More than forty years later, something nudged a compartment in my memory, and the conversation of that evening at Grover's & Angies was recalled. At this time, however, with age having diverted my curiosity toward non-childish things,...I proceeded to go looking for the identity of Grover's GRAND-MA...(since it was reasonable that she might have been closely involved with some of the capers of Grover's GRAND-PA).

Of Grover's two grandmas, I quickly focused on his maternal grandma....Rosie McBride Hayes Yates.

Rosie McBride appears to have given birth to an illegitemate daughter, Lodema, sometime in the mid-1850's. I say this because Lodema used the name McBride when she got married to Drew Spears many years later.

According to the Van Buren County, Tennessee marriage records, Rosie married Jacob Hayes (Hais) on November 1, 1855. The 1850 census found a Jacob Hayes living in the household of Amanda Hayes in District 11 of White County . It would seem reasonable that this was the same Jacob Hayes that married Rosie.

I have not yet found where Jacob and Rosie were living when the 1860 census was taken.

Madison Hayes,...however, is found in the 1860 census....living in the household of John Yates, a preacher who gained considerable notoriety in his time. Preacher John Yates is said to have been born in Virginia in 1791,....and to have participated in the War of 1812. He is credited with having killed his horse by cutting its throat with a pocket knife;...and with riding a STEER thereafter,...with wearing a six-shooter while he preached,....and being the father of 33 children (I have found the names of more than 20 of them).

I find that Jacob Hayes and James M. Hayes (James Madison Hayes, without a doubt) both joined the Confederate Army at the same place on the same day....Camp Smartt in Warren County, Tennessee...on September 6, 1861. Both went to Company C, 35th Tennessee. It is believable that these two Hayes boys were well acquainted;...and possibly related. I have not established, however, that they were brothers."

We have enough written documents to be reasonably sure that.....Rosie McBride Hayes and Preacher John Yates......set up housekeeping.... while Jacob Hayes was away "doing his patriotic duty" in the War between the States. We also have information that, not-withstanding the preacher's age, Rosie gave birth to at least seven children named Yates:

(1) Lee Grant Yates, born Jan. 21, 1862 (possibly the child of Jacob Hayes,..."adopted" by the Preacher), (2) Jabel Yates, born Feb. 14, 1863 (3) Wayman Yates, born 1866, (4) Lucinda Yates, born July 8, 1871, (5) Barfine Yates, born March, 1872, (6) Luther Clinton Yates, born November 4, 1875, and (7) Mary Evaline Yates, born 1877

I do not know what eventually happened to Jacob Hayes,...nor do I know if he became an avid quail hunter and frequently purchased shotgun shells in the years following the War between the States;....and I have never found a single word of text that confirms that the "shotgun trade" actually happened....(I doubt that I ever could).

Given, however,....the memory of those few words my Daddy spoke...in innocent fun...that night in old Sparkmantown so many years ago...and the remarkable consistencies in the public documents crying out to suggest that those spoken words might have hit close to the brutal truth;....I suppose I now understand why a few moments of silence followed the "funny story" Daddy told. More About JOHN YATES: Fact 1: 1860 Van Buren County Census, listed as Minister of the Gospel Fact 2: 1870 Van Buren County census, listed as Farm Laborer

More About ROSANN MCBRIDE: Fact 1: May 1833, Birth as listed on Headstone Fact 2: Burial in McElroy Cemetery, Van Buren County, Tennessee

Children of JOHN YATES and ROSANN MCBRIDE are: 2. i. LODEMA2 YATES, b. August 14, 1854; d. October 15, 1923, Van Buren County, Tennessee. 3. ii. LEE GRANT YATES, b. January 21, 1862; d. June 7, 1897, Van Buren County, Tennessee. 4. iii. JABEZ YATES, b. February 14, 1863; d. April 20, 1938. iv. WAYMON YATES, b. 1866; d. Unknown. 5. v. LUCINDA YATES, b. July 8, 1871; d. February 25, 1947, Van Buren County, Tennessee. 6. vi. BARFIN YATES, b. March 28, 1872, Van Buren County, Tennessee; d. May 3, 1907, Van Buren County, Tennessee. vii. LUTHER CLINTON YATES, b. November 4, 1875; d. August 14, 1942, Van Buren County, Tennessee; m. ISA JOSEPHINE STEAKLEY; b. August 24, 1881; d. August 11, 1934, Van Buren County, Tennessee. More About LUTHER CLINTON YATES: Fact 1: Burial in McElroy Cemetery, Bone Cave, Tennessee

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I have added Benjamin Yates and Sarah Shockley as parents of John Yates. The genetic evidence now is rather overwhelming. This is a large study that will be condensed for posting later this year. It is clear that George Yates (1783- aft 1850), Benjamin Yates (Jr) (~1783-1845), and Sarah (Yates) Dodson all were full siblings of Rev John Yates, sharing both paternal (Yates) and maternal (Shockley-Adkins) chromosomes.
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(1) Where does the middle name, James, come from? First I've heard of that. I wonder whether that's an attempt to shoehorn him into being a son of Thomas Yates, though Thomas' son James, b 1791, was clearly a different man. (2) First sentence of Biography names parents as Thomas Yates and Pheby Combs. I've seen nothing to support this, and evidence against it (Thomas's will, for example). This has been a popular guess based on living in the same area. It's common to find unrelated Yates-es in the same county though. (3) We have a good bet for John's parents now. It follows a genetic trail through John's sister, Sarah Yates Dodson, to census records to her apparent parents.
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Wyatt-1035 Alan Wyatt
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?pagegr&GRid75707244
posted by Alan Wyatt
Yates-1558 Richard Yates
Does anyone have accurate info on John Yates B. 1775 Culpeper County,Va

M. 24 December 1812 Va D. 15Dec 1851 Culpeper County Va Contact [email address removed]

posted by Richard Yates
Wyatt-1035 Alan Wyatt
More About JOHN YATES:

Fact 1: 1860 Van Buren County Census, listed as Minister of the Gospel Fact 2: 1870 Van Buren County census, listed as Farm Laborer

More About ROSANN MCBRIDE: Fact 1: May 1833, Birth as listed on Headstone Fact 2: Burial in McElroy Cemetery, Van Buren County, Tennessee

Children of JOHN YATES and ROSANN MCBRIDE are: 2. i. LODEMA2 YATES, b. August 14, 1854; d. October 15, 1923, Van Buren County, Tennessee. 3. ii. LEE GRANT YATES, b. January 21, 1862; d. June 7, 1897, Van Buren County, Tennessee. 4. iii. JABEZ YATES, b. February 14, 1863; d. April 20, 1938. iv. WAYMON YATES, b. 1866; d. Unknown. 5. v. LUCINDA YATES, b. July 8, 1871; d. February 25, 1947, Van Buren County, Tennessee. 6. vi. BARFIN YATES, b. March 28, 1872, Van Buren County, Tennessee; d. May 3, 1907, Van Buren County, Tennessee. vii. LUTHER CLINTON YATES, b. November 4, 1875; d. August 14, 1942, Van Buren County, Tennessee; m. ISA JOSEPHINE STEAKLEY; b. August 24, 1881; d. August 11, 1934, Van Buren County, Tennessee.

posted by Alan Wyatt
Wyatt-1035 Alan Wyatt
Children of JOHN YATES and LAVINA COLLINS are:

xix. WOODSON2 YATES, b. 1812, Tennessee; d. Unknown; m. MAHALA; d. Unknown. 8. xx. LEVI YATES, b. June 28, 1813, Tennessee; d. March 13, 1900. xxi. ELI YATES, b. 1814, Tennessee; d. Unknown; m. LOUISA (ELIZA) B. LEWIS, August 9, 1838, White County, Tennessee; d. Unknown. 9. xxii. ARWINE YATES, b. September 15, 1815, Tennessee; d. June 9, 1886. Children of JOHN YATES and ELIZABETH NICHOLS are: x. ALFRED2 YATES, b. 1821, Tennessee; d. Unknown; m. SARAH RAMSEY, September 24, 1843, White County, Tennessee; d. Unknown. Notes for ALFRED YATES: A Alfred Yates listed in 1850 White County Census, District II (there's a 3 year difference in 1860 Alfred Yeates).

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http://www.yatesville.net/tngrey/getperson.php?personID=I18593&tree=01
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