no image
Privacy Level: Open (White)

Edward Gilman (abt. 1525 - bef. 1573)

Edward Gilman
Born about in Caston, Norfolk, Englandmap [uncertain]
Son of and
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married 21 Jun 1550 (to before 7 Jul 1573) in Caston, Norfolk, Englandmap
Descendants descendants
Father of , , , , , , , , and
Died before before about age 48 in Caston, Norfolk, Englandmap
Problems/Questions Profile managers: Douglas Henry private message [send private message] and England Project WikiTree private message [send private message]
Profile last modified | Created 10 Sep 2010
This page has been accessed 6,932 times.
English flag
Edward Gilman is managed by the England Project.
Join: England Project
Discuss: england

Contents

False genealogies published

Genealogies published in the 1800s mis-identified the children of Edward and Rose (Rysse) Gilman, thus confusing the ancestry of several early New England immigrants. These errant materials were broadly distributed so that mistakes are found in countless online family files. Please cite reliable sources and use caution when editing this profile.

Disputed Parental Association. No historical support has been found by which this Edward Gilman would be associated as the son of Edward Gilman (abt.1500-1525) and wife, Unknown (Unknown) Gilman (1504-). See Research Notes.

Biography

Edward Gilman was born about 1525. He married at Caston, Norfolk, England, 12 June 1550, Rose Rysse.[1][2][3][4]

Edward's will was dated 5 February 1572/3 and proved by his widow on 7 July 1573 at the Archdeaconry Court of Norwich. [5] In this will he, "devised his mansion house in Gaston (sic.) to his eldest son John, and his other estates were divided among his three other sons and five daughters." Lands at Saham Toney are mentioned in the will as well.[6] Walter Goodwin Davis published an abstract of Edward's 1572/3 will.[7]

Children of Edward and Rose,[8]

  1. Margaret Gilman, baptized 1 December 1550;[9] alive and unmarried 1572/3
  2. Katherine Gilman, baptized 12 December 1552;[10] alive and unmarried 1572/3
  3. John Gilman, born about 1554; eldest son, underage 1572/3
  4. Edward Gilman, baptized 20 April 1557.[11]
  5. Robert Gilman, baptized 10 July 1559;[12] m. Mary _____
  6. Lawrence Gilman, baptized 3 November 1561;[13] m. (1) Elizabeth James (2) Joan Gallop; he died 1629
  7. Rose Gilman, baptized 25 May 1563;[14] m. Turner
  8. Joan Gilman, baptized 17 May 1566.[15]
  9. Elizabeth Gilman, baptized 17 April 1569; living in 1572/3
  10. Olive Gilman, born posthumously, baptized 21 November 1573.[16]

Research Notes

Gilman confused identities
Gilman Research

No support for linked parents. Profile of linked father, Edward Gilman (abt.1500-1525), includes notice, "There is no support for this Edward Gilman in Gilman, 1864, Gillman, 1895, Ames, 1950, or Scott, 2000."

Savage and Torrey. Both James Savage and Clarence Amon Torrey are descendants of Edward and Rose (Rysse) Gilman. See Gary Boyd Roberts, "Notable Kin: Seven Genealogists: Ancestors of John Farmer, Jr., James Savage, H.F. Waters, Mary L. Holman, C.A. Torrey, Elizabeth French Bartlett, and G. A. Moriarity, Jr.," in NEXUS, 13 (1995):25 (in James Savage), 26 (in Clarence Almon Torrey); digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors. James Savage's ancestry includes "… Nicholas Jacob & Mary Gilman; Edward Gilman (TP) & _____ (TP)." Clarence Almon Torrey's ancestry includes "... John Gilman & Anne Gurney … Edward Gilman (TP) & _____ (TP). For Savage's Gilman ancestry, Roberts cites "W. G. Davis, The Ancestry of Abel Lunt (1963), pp. 153-58"; for the Torrey entry, he cites "Notebook labeled 'Ancestry,' carton labeled 'Torrey' (#10) in C. A. Torrey's mss. collection, SG TOR 5 (147) at NEHGS" and other works, but none mention Gilman specifically.

Errors in Print. Various 1800s era published works mis-identified the children or progeny of Edward and Rose (Rysse) Gilman. The books included valuable information (dates, locations, wills, etc.), but errors were made in the use of that information to determine particular parent-child relationships.

  • Arthur Gilman, Genealogy of the Gilman Family in England and America ... (Albany, N.Y. : J. Munsell, 1864). 11-14; digital images, Hathi Trust. See below for the same author's similar title, published 1869,
  • Arthur Gilman, The Gilman family, traced in the line of Hon. John Gilman ... (Albany, N.Y. : J. Munsell, 1869, rpt. 1989), 31-37; digital images Hathi Trust.
  • Alexander Gilman, Searches into the History of the Gillman or Gilman Family … (London, E. Stock, 1895), 141 (Gilmans of Norfolk); digital images, Hathi Trust.

No known child, Regnault Gilman. One Regnault Gilman (1571-) was attached as a child of Edward and Rose. This association lacks historical support. The relationship is being severed in 2022.

Sources

  1. ↑ Edward Gyllman - Rose Rysse. 21 June 1550 marriage, Parish register transcripts, 1539-1718, Caston, Norfolk, England; digital images, FamilySearch, FHL Digital Collection, DGS 007763895 428 0f 902, page marked "3."
  2. ↑ Torrey, Clarence Almon. "English Origin of Edward Gilman." The American Genealogist 11:137" Citing work by Charles Edward Banks, so there is an earlier reference
  3. ↑ Ancestry.com. Colonial Families of the United States of America, Volume I. Lehi, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc. 2016. Page 193. https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/61175/images/colonialfamiliesi-000412_193?pId=450003601
  4. ↑ Ancestry.com. Norfolk, England, Church of England Baptism, Marriages, and Burials, 1535-1812. Lehi, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc. 2016. Norfolk, Caston, 1539-1720. https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/61045/images/61043_b938287-00002?pId=1534906199
  5. ↑ Will of Edward Gillman, yeoman of Caston Archdeaconry Court of Norwich, register copy will 1573, volume Bussell, folio 158. Norfolk Record Office, Norwich, Norfolk, England. Family Search full images Accessed 24 January 2022
  6. ↑ This text is found in Scott, 2000, p. 15
  7. ↑ Walter Goodwin Davis, The ancestry of Abel Lunt, 1769-1806, of Newbury, Massachusetts (Portland, Me. : Anthoensen Press, 1963), 153-60 (Gilman, of Exeter), at 153-54; digital images, Hathi Trust.
  8. ↑ Walter Goodwin Davis, The ancestry of Abel Lunt, 1769-1806, of Newbury, Massachusetts (Portland, Me. : Anthoensen Press, 1963), 153-60 (Gilman, of Exeter), at 153-56; digital images, Hathi Trust; also published as Massachusetts and Maine Families in the Ancestry of Walter Goodwin Davis. Vol. II. Gardner-Moses. "Gilmans of Exeter."
  9. ↑ Margaret Gilman 1550 baptism (IGI), "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J363-VQH : 18 September 2020), Margarett Gyllman, 1550. Father is Edward.
  10. ↑ Kathryen Gyllman 1552 baptism (IGI), "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N59J-WVH : 18 September 2020), Kathryen Gyllman, 1552. Father is Edward Gyllman.
  11. ↑ Edward Gyllman 1557 baptism (IGI), "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NB91-FFH : 18 September 2020), Edward Gyllman, 1557. Father is Edward.
  12. ↑ Robte Gyllman 1559 baptism, "Norfolk, England, Church of England Baptism, Marriages, and Burials, 1535-1812," Norfolk Record Office, Caston, 1539-1720, parish registers (image 8 of 36); digital image by subscription, Ancestry Image; Ancestry Sharing Link.
  13. ↑ Loorenc Gyllman, 1561 baptism (IGI), "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N59J-FLX : 18 September 2020), Loorenc Gyllman, 1561. Father is Edward.
  14. ↑ Rosse Gyllman, 25 March 1563 baptism (IGI), "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JMPF-L6F : 18 September 2020), Rosse Gyllman, 1563. Father is Edward.
  15. ↑ Johan Gyllman 1566 baptism (IGI), "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JWXZ-NX6 : 18 September 2020), Johan Gyllman, 1566. Father is Edward.
  16. ↑ Ollyv Gyllman, 1573 baptism (IGI), "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N59J-WX7 : 18 September 2020), Ollyv Gyllman, 1573. Father is Edward.
See also--
  • Walter Goodwin Davis, The ancestry of Abel Lunt, 1769-1806, of Newbury, Massachusetts (Portland, Me. : Anthoensen Press, 1963), 153-60 (Gilman, of Exeter) at 153-56; digital images, Hathi Trust; also published as Massachusetts and Maine Families in the Ancestry of Walter Goodwin Davis. Vol. II. Gardner-Moses. "Gilmans of Exeter".
  • Clarence Almon Torrey, "English Origin of Edward^1 Gilman" in The American Genealogist, 11 (1934):137-138, at 137; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors. N.B. Clarence Almon Torrey is a descendant.
  • Constance LeNeve Gilman Ames, The Story of the Gilmans and a Gilman Genealogy (Yakima, Washington: Shields Ranier Printing Co., 1950), 36; digital images, Hathi Trust. Contains sections, "
Other--
  • Source S65 : Title: lincoln.ftw




Sponsored Search by Ancestry.com

DNA
No known carriers of Edward's DNA have taken a DNA test.

Have you taken a DNA test? If so, login to add it. If not, see our friends at Ancestry DNA.

Images: 2
Marriage Record of Edward Gilman and Rose Rysse
Marriage Record of Edward Gilman and Rose Rysse
Close up on the marriage entry for Edward Gilman and Rose Rysse
Close up on the marriage entry for Edward Gilman and Rose Rysse


Comments: 6

Leave a message for others who see this profile.
There are no comments yet.
Login to post a comment.
GeneJ X
The "Uncertain Existence" banner has been added to the profiles of both linked parents, Edward Gilman (abt.1500-1525) and Unknown (Unknown) Gilman (1504-)

Walter Goodwin Davis wrote (emphasis added), "Gylmyn, from which Gilman is easily derived, is a surname from the Old French Guillemin which, in turn, is a diminutive of Guillaume [William] ... Inasmuch as Guillaume or William was the commonest given name in England after the Conquest until it was over taken by John, many totally unrelated families may have used Guillemin as a surname ... The family of Gilman, with which we are to deal came to New England from co. Norfolk where there are few traces of the name as early as the fourteenth century. However, 'the emigrant's proven ancestry begins with his grandfather [*]',, a prosperous yeoman ...

See Walter Goodwin Davis, The ancestry of Abel Lunt, 1769-1806, of Newbury, Massachusetts (Portland, Me. : Anthoensen Press, 1963), 153-160 (Gilman, of Exeter) at 153; digital images, Hathi Trust

[*] Edward Gilman (abt.1525-bef.1573)

posted by GeneJ X
edited by GeneJ X
GeneJ X
There is a child attached, Regnault Gilman (1571-), who is not shown to belong to this family unit.

Edward Gilman (abt.1525-bef.1573) and Rose (Ryse) Snell (abt.1530-1613) are both PPP.

Might we have assistance in severing Regnault's parent-child relationships?

I have added a disputed associations section toe Regnault's profile; companion research note entries have been added to the profiles of both Edward and Rose.

Thank you in advance.--Gene

posted by GeneJ X
Fitz-Henry-9 Jo Fitz-Henry
Hello Profile Managers, the England Project has been asked by the PGM Project to adopt and apply Project Protection (PPP) to this profile in order to preserve the accuracy of the lineage of Edward Gilman the emigrant. Please don't hesitate to contact me if you have any queries about this.

Jo, England Project Managed Profiles Team coordinator

posted by Jo Fitz-Henry
BK McDonald
Jillaine Smith's note matches what Constance Le Neve (Gilman) Ames reported in 1950: that Edward "The Emigrant" was the son of an Edward. Samuel Le Neve Gilman over one hundred years ago stated that Edward's father was Robert, but doesn't the deposition evidence seem stronger? I hope every one will agree that Robert is not "The Emigrant's" father before all the merging takes place. Is it okay to start the merging?
posted by BK McDonald
Smith-32867 Jillaine Smith
The American Genealogist 11:138 makes the case for THIS Edward as father of Edward Gilman who emigrates in 1638.
posted by Jillaine Smith
Watt-266 Vic Watt
Can you all please check for pending merges of the Gilman children. Lots were proposed back last August, and they should be completed. Thanks.
posted by Vic Watt

Featured Foodie Connections: Edward is 19 degrees from Emeril Lagasse, 19 degrees from Nigella Lawson, 20 degrees from Maggie Beer, 42 degrees from Mary Hunnings, 25 degrees from Joop Braakhekke, 24 degrees from Michael Chow, 20 degrees from Ree Drummond, 22 degrees from Paul Hollywood, 18 degrees from Matty Matheson, 21 degrees from Martha Stewart, 29 degrees from Danny Trejo and 23 degrees from Molly Yeh on our single family tree. Login to find your connection.

G  >  Gilman  >  Edward Gilman