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David Ogden (bef. 1651 - 1705)

David Ogden
Born before in Chester, Cheshire, Englandmap
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Husband of — married 12 Jan 1686 in Middleton, Chester County, Pennsylvaniamap
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Died after age 54 in Middleton, Chester, Pennsylvaniamap
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Contents

Prelude

David was a Friend (Quaker)

Ogden family researchers are indebted to Charles Burr Ogden for his excellent book, The Quaker Ogdens in America,[1] and this work is liberally cited in the biography below. However, the author unfortunately included a brief paragraph entitled "David Ogden's Ancestry."[2] This "ancestry" is derived from family legend surrounding the Ogden Arms, and is presented without further evidence. The author concluded that "It is hoped that researches now in progress will result in the publication of a future volume, in which David Ogden's ancestry will be more fully given." However, further inquiry was not pursued, at least not successfully. Please see Research Notes for current analysis that perhaps may invigorate further research into David's forebearers.

Biography

David Ogden was probably the son of Nehemiah Ogden and if so, he was the David Ogden baptized at Chester St. Peter, Cheshire, England, on 4 January 1650/51.[3] At the 4 January 1686 (4 of 11th mo 1685) Chester, Pennsylvania monthly meeting, David and Martha Houlston first declared their intention to marry, and they were found clear to marry at the 1 March 1686 (1 of 1st mo 1686) monthly meeting. [4] They were married on 12 March 1686 (12 of 1st mo 1686).[5] David died in Chester County, Pennsylvania on 22 August 1705. [6]

To date, the only record of David's early life in Great Britain is his certificate of removal from the London Meeting dated the 21 Jan 1682 (21 of 11th mo 1681/2).[7] Later that year, David was a passenger aboard the Welcome when it sailed in late August, arriving in the Delaware on 27 October 1682.[8]

David was a resident of Middletown, Chester County, Province of Pennsylvania when he made his will dated 16 July 1705 (16th day of the 5th month 1705).[9] In it he names his wife Martha, children Jonathan, Martha, Sara, Nehemiah, Samuel, John, Aaron, Hannah, Steven.

David and Martha had the following children:[10]

  1. Jonathan Ogden, born 19 April 1687 (19th of the 2nd Month 1687)
  2. Martha Ogden, born 23 July 1689 (23rd of the 5th month 1689)
  3. Sarah Ogden, born 3 November 1691 (3 of the 9th month 1691)
  4. Nehemiah Ogden, born 15 December 1693 (15th of the 10th month 1693)
  5. Samuel Ogden, born 30 December 1695 (30th of the 10th month 1695)
  6. John Ogden, born 4 July 1698 (4th Day of the 5th month 1698)
  7. Aaron Ogden, born 31 May 1700 (31st of the 3rd month 1700)
  8. Hannah Ogden, born 22 August 1702 (22nd of the 6th month 1702)
  9. Stephen Ogden, born 12 February 1705 (12th of the 11th month 1705)

Research Notes

The Coat of Arms

The family legend that David's grandfather was awarded the Ogden Arms for his support of King Charles in the English Civil War (p. 23) is not in phase with events. Such support could only have been provided in the period 1642-1649, and Charles II could only have granted arms after 1660. Support cited for this legend by Charles Burr Ogden was a Philadelphia Press article published in 1897 which he stated "appears reliable."[11] However, the subject of the Ogden Arms was aired thoroughly in an 1897 article in the British journal "The Literary Era."[12] The article includes a letter in full describing search done by the College of Arms in London and makes interesting reading (the full article is attached). Asked to verify the claim, the College of Arms advised that

"The grant of a coat of arms to one Ogden, as mentioned in Burke's General Armory does not give the history of them as set forth in the [Philadelphia] Press, and the College of Arms here cannot find a record of any such history."

And that, after a considerable search, the arms described in the Philadelphia were found

"in an old volume showing various coats of arms, and drafted somewhere about 1620; this simply gives a cut of the coat of arms to which you refer, but gives no information about it with the exception of being marked over the top with the name of Ogton."

Grandfather John and Father Father's Name

The given name previously accepted for David's grandfather (John) was entirely derived from this legend.[13] It may be that a John Orton did undertake to have his Arms drafted about 1620, roughly 40 years before Charles II ascended the throne in 1660. However, the given name "John" lacks evidence. That said, the further attribution that "John" had a son named "Jonathan or David" appears even more fanciful.

Evidence does exists that a Nehemiah Ogden did have a son baptized in Cheshire in 1651.[3] Nehemiah was a Quaker, who was a member of the Cheshire Quarterly Meeting and lived in Wrexham, Wales.[14] Also it may be important that David named a son named Nehemiah, perhaps in honor of his father, but in any event an uncommon name in the Ogden families in England in that time period.

Clues to David's Origin

It may be that David's origin was correctly stated in Charles Burr Ogden's book. What is presented as a direct quotation from Sir Bernard Burke (printed within quotation marks) reads that[15] ". . . David Ogden settled in Chester County, at a place where he and others who came with him from Middletown, County of Chester, England, named after their native town."

It is clear that this wording cannot be Burke's. He was a noted British genealogist and an officer-of-arms at the College of Arms in London. If the attribution to Burke is correct, then it was incorrectly paraphrased. Burke would have known that Middletown was in Denbighshire, Wales, bordering Cheshire, but clearly not in England. Quaker records for this area of Wales are recorded in the Chester Quarterly Meeting Minutes, Chester being a town in Cheshire (Chester County), England. If the attribution to Burke is accurate, then he was perhaps describing the Quaker emigrants from the town of Middletown who were members of the Chester Meeting. History shows that many of the early Quakers in Penn's fleet were from the area around Middletown in Wales.

Recall the aforementioned record Nehemiah Ogden,[14] age 94, died on 18 Apr 1713 and was buried at Wrexham, Wales (not England) on 20 Jun 1713. Wrexham is 13 miles southwest of Chester and 23 miles north of Middletown.

DNA Evidence

Recent yDNA matches on FamilyTreeDNA support that Nehemiah Ogden was likely the father of David Ogden the Quaker and the son of Richard Ogden of Middleton in Lancashire.

Paul Ogden, his yDNA profile managed by Sue Murphy, traces his Ogden line with certainty back to David Ogden the Quaker. David's father is probably Nehemiah Ogden, baptized at Middleton on 1 September 1616, the son of Richard Ogden. There are at least two, possibly three Richard Ogdens in Middleton at this time, so which Richard was Nehemiah's father is not yet known. One of these Richards was resident in Tong,[16] near Middleton on the road to Oldham.

Paul has a 67 marker match with Marcus Ogden, a native of England, whose English Ogden line can be traced back to Joseph Ogden, baptized at Middleton, on 5 February 1705/06 the son of John Ogden of Tongmoore.[17] Similar to the case with Richard, there are multiple baptisms in Middleton for a John Ogden before 1685 preventing the extension of this line further back at this time.

Finally Paul has a 111 marker match with Peter Whitehead who traces his Whitehead line back to 1836 to the burial of James Whitehead at Newton Heath, Lancashire on 13 July 1836.[18] Newton Heath is 3 miles south of Middleton. James married Ann Collinge who is probably one of the three Ann Collinges baptized at Middleton St. Leonard in 1775.[19][20][21] The research of this line stops here at present, but clearly to focus going back should be in the Middleton area.

As of this writing a Most Recent Common Ancestor has not been identified. However, given that all three lines point back to the Middleton area, it is a reasonable conclusion that Nehemiah Ogden, born in Middleton in 1616, was David's father.

Sources

  1. ↑ Charles Burr Ogden and Charles Smith Ogden, The Quaker Ogdens in America: David Ogden of ye goode ship "Welcome" and his descendants (Philadelphia: J.B. Lippincott, 1898). FamilySearch Book: 51507
  2. ↑ Quaker Ogdens in America:, p. 36-7. FamilySearch Book: 51507.
  3. ↑ 3.0 3.1 Baptism: "England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000"
    citing item 1, St Peter, Chester, Cheshire, England, Record Office, Chester; FHL microfilm 2,045,912
    FamilySearch Record: FQXT-D99 (accessed 2 January 2024)
    David Ogden baptism on 4 Jan 1650, son of Nehemiah Ogden & /, in St Peter, Chester, Cheshire, England.
  4. ↑ Marriage: "U.S., Quaker Meeting Records, 1681-1935"
    Swarthmore College; Swarthmore, Pennsylvania
    Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record 2189 #99772113 (accessed 2 January 2024)
    David Ogden marriage to Martha Holston on 1 Mar 1686 in Delaware, Pennsylvania.
  5. ↑ Quaker Ogdens in America:, p. 36-7. FamilySearch Book: 51507.
  6. ↑ Burial: "Pennsylvania, Historical Society of Pennsylvania, Deaths and Burials, 1856-1971"
    citing Affiliate Name: Historical Society of Pennsylvania; Digital film/folder number: 102370965; Image number: 34
    FamilySearch Record: 6CYD-VVY3 (accessed 2 January 2024)
    FamilySearch Image: 3Q9M-CSCX-2KYS
    David Ogden burial (died on 22 Aug 1705) in 1705 in Chester, Pennsylvania, United States.
  7. ↑ Certificte of Removal: "Philadelphia, Philadelphia Monthly Meeting, Arch Street, Certificates of Removal, 1681-1758"
    Swarthmore College; Swarthmore, Pennsylvania
    Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record 2189 #3259420 (accessed 3 January 2024)
    Name: David Ogden; Event Type: Admittance; Residence Date: 21 Jan 1683; Residence Date on Image: 21 1683 Eleventh; Residence Place: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; Monthly Meeting: Philadelphia Monthly Meeting, Arch Street; Yearly Meeting: Philadelphia Yearly Meeting; Meeting State: Pennsylvania; Meeting County: Philadelphia.
  8. ↑ Balderston, Marion. “The Real ‘Welcome’ Passengers.” Huntington Library Quarterly, vol. 26, no. 1, 1962, p. 44. JSTOR, https://doi.org/10.2307/3816843. Accessed 2 Jan. 2024. “David Ogden (46 [on the list of passengers]) from London was another witness to [Thomas] Heriott’s will. He [David] went to Chester County, married, and fathered nine children. He died in 1705.
  9. ↑ Quaker Ogdens in America:, p. 36-7. FamilySearch Book: 51507.
  10. ↑ Birth: "U.S., Quaker Meeting Records, 1681-1935, Chester County, Chester Monthly Meeting, p. 3"
    Swarthmore College; Swarthmore, Pennsylvania
    Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record 2189 #1630268 (accessed 3 January 2024)
    births of David Ogden & Martha Ogden children recorded, in Chester, Pennsylvania.
  11. ↑ Quaker Ogdens in America:, p. 22. FamilySearch Book: 51507.
  12. ↑ The Ogden Arms, The Literary Era. A Monthly Repository of Literary and Miscellaneous Information, Vol. IV - No.9 (September 1897), pages 307-308. (images 313-4 of 460). Online at HathiTrust, see: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89069284537&seq=313.
  13. ↑ Quaker Ogdens in America:, p. 23. FamilySearch Book: 51507.
  14. ↑ 14.0 14.1 Burial: "Quarterly Meeting of Cheshire and Staffordshire, Cheshire (1655-1794)"
    The National Archives; Kew, England; General Register Office: Society of Friends' Registers, Notes and Certificates of Births, Marriages and Burials; Class: RG 6; Piece: 1037
    Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record 7097 #161134 (accessed 4 January 2024)
    Nehemiah Ogden burial (died on 18 Apr 1713) on 20 Jun 1713 in Wrexham, England. Born in about 1619.
  15. ↑ Quaker Ogdens in America:, p. 23. FamilySearch Book: 51507.
  16. ↑ Baptism of child John Ogden: "Manchester, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1541-1812"
    Original data: Anglican Parish Registers. Manchester, England: Manchester Libraries, Information and Archives. Images produced by permission of Manchester City Council. Images may be used only for the purposes of the family history research in accordance with Ancestry’s website terms of use. At the request of the Manchester Diocese it is highlighted that the use of images for retrospective or proxy baptism is not permitted; Reference Number: GB127.L56/1/1/1
    Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record 2959 #151810339 (accessed 4 January 2024)
    Richard Ogden's child John Ogden baptism on 12 Jul 1618 in Middleton, St Leonard, Lancashire, England.
  17. ↑ Baptism: "Manchester, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1541-1812"
    Original data: Anglican Parish Registers. Manchester, England: Manchester Libraries, Information and Archives. Images produced by permission of Manchester City Council. Images may be used only for the purposes of the family history research in accordance with Ancestry’s website terms of use. At the request of the Manchester Diocese it is highlighted that the use of images for retrospective or proxy baptism is not permitted; Reference Number: GB127.L56/1/1/4
    Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record 2959 #1176080 (accessed 4 January 2024)
    Joseph Ogden baptism on 5 Feb 1705, child of John Ogden, in Middleton, St Leonard, Lancashire, England.
  18. ↑ Burial: "Find A Grave Index"
    citing record ID 182797672, Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com
    FamilySearch Record: QL2R-3G87 (accessed 4 January 2024)
    Find A Grave: Memorial #182797672
    James Whitehead burial (died in Jul 1836) in Newton Heath, Metropolitan Borough of Manchester, Greater Manchester, England. Born in 1779.
  19. ↑ Baptism: "Manchester, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1541-1812"
    Original data: Anglican Parish Registers. Manchester, England: Manchester Libraries, Information and Archives. Images produced by permission of Manchester City Council. Images may be used only for the purposes of the family history research in accordance with Ancestry’s website terms of use. At the request of the Manchester Diocese it is highlighted that the use of images for retrospective or proxy baptism is not permitted; Reference Number: GB127.L56/1/2/2
    Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record 2959 #1179843 (accessed 4 January 2024)
    Anne Collinge baptism on 12 Jan 1774, child of Mary Collinge, in Middleton, St Leonard, Lancashire, England.
  20. ↑ Baptism: "Manchester, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1541-1812"
    Original data: Anglican Parish Registers. Manchester, England: Manchester Libraries, Information and Archives. Images produced by permission of Manchester City Council. Images may be used only for the purposes of the family history research in accordance with Ancestry’s website terms of use. At the request of the Manchester Diocese it is highlighted that the use of images for retrospective or proxy baptism is not permitted; Reference Number: GB127.L56/1/2/2
    Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record 2959 #1180166 (accessed 4 January 2024)
    Anne Collinge baptism on 29 Jan 1775, child of Adam Collinge & Anne Collinge, in Middleton, St Leonard, Lancashire, England.
  21. ↑ Baptism: "Manchester, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1541-1812"
    Original data: Anglican Parish Registers. Manchester, England: Manchester Libraries, Information and Archives. Images produced by permission of Manchester City Council. Images may be used only for the purposes of the family history research in accordance with Ancestry’s website terms of use. At the request of the Manchester Diocese it is highlighted that the use of images for retrospective or proxy baptism is not permitted; Reference Number: GB127.L56/1/2/2
    Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record 2959 #1180249 (accessed 4 January 2024)
    Anne Collinge baptism on 23 Apr 1775, child of Robert Collinge & Betty Collinge, in Middleton, St Leonard, Lancashire, England.

Book: The Quaker Ogdens in America: David Ogden of the Ye Goode Ship "Welcome" and his Descendants 1682-1897, by Charles Burr Ogden, Printed 1898, Chapter; "David Ogden of the Ship Welcome", p. 27-46 and Chapter: "Genealogy" p. 47-48 First and Second Generations

Book: New World Immigrants, Volume I, A Consolidation of Ship Passenger Lists and Associated Data from Periodical Literature, Edited by Michael Tepper, Hardcover – 1979, page 311, (V.) David Ogden, his wife Sarah Ogden married twice, 1st: David Ogden, 2nd: William Shurman

Book - "A Memorial History and Genealogical Record of The John Howell and Jacob Stutzman Families and a Complete Family Record of The Lineal Descendants and those related to them by intermarriages, From the Year 1697 to 1922. Compiled by Jonathan S. Howell, Rushville, Ill. Printed by Herald Print, Rushville, Ill. p. 51 and p. 57 - Evan Howell, son of John Howell of Philadelphia, husband of Sarah Ogden; See uploaded page 51- https://www.wikitree.com/photo/jpg/Howell-2580-1 - See uploaded page 57 - https://www.wikitree.com/photo/jpg/Howell-2580-2

Acknowledgements

WikiTree profile Ogden-265 created through the import of heinakuu2011-6.ged on Jul 5, 2011 by Johanna Amnelin. See the Changes page for the details of edits by Johanna and others.





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Sue Murphy
A661475 Ged Match above- small match with my husband John Thomas Ogden

Largest segment = 5.7 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 5.7cM (0.16 Pct)

1 shared segments found for this comparison.

posted by Sue Murphy
Ogden-4074 Louis Ogden II
Mary: Apologies for my delay in responding. I am seeing your message for the first time today. I agree that Charles Burr Ogden’s book is gratefully received and extremely valuable to Ogden researchers. I am merely pointing out that the evidence it contains in naming David’s father is wanting. In fact, you also made this same observation in your 2016 message under the father's profile (Ogden-2729). I do not intend to repeat the narrative of my earlier post, suffice it to say that a much stronger case exists that his father was Nehemiah Ogden. With your agreement, I will be pleased to edit your profile Ogden-2729 to that effect.

In answer your specific points:

There are indeed several places in the United Kingdom named Middletown. Charles Burr Ogden specifically wrote “Middletown, County of Chester, England,” citing Sir Bernard Burke of the College of Arms. Burke would not have made this error, as Middletown is in Wales, but less than one-half mile from the English border with County Chester (Cheshire). Burke would have said that Quaker records for Middletown were in the Chester Quarterly Meeting Minutes, which they are.

As for the veracity of the records I cited from Ancestry, I can assure you that I am well aware that all online records, including those at Ancestry.com, must be verified. In this case the sources are images of the originals microfilmed and available at FamilySearch:

"England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQXT-D99: 12 February 2018), David Ogden, 04 Jan 1650, Christening; citing item 1, St Peter, Chester, Cheshire, England, Record Office, Chester; FHL microfilm 2,045,912.

"England and Wales Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8), 1588-1977," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FWJ3-HZL : 11 December 2014), Nehemiah Ogden, 20 Jun 1713, Burial; citing p. 73, Cheshire, record group RG6, Public Record Office, London.

As for DNA evidence, it does exist and clearly shows that all Ogdens from England are not related. Y-DNA testing clearly shows that the David Ogden the Quaker line (Sue Murphy line – Haplogroup I-M170) and John Ogden the Pilgrim line (my line – Haplogroup R-M269) share a common ancestor about 47,000 years ago.

Regards--Louis

posted by Louis Ogden II
Mary Armstrong
Louis OgdenII,

I haven't viewed all comments in a while as time prevails and computers need replaced, plus at near 89, some of my research is slowing down. However, as I see your Feb.,'22, comment regarding David Ogden, I have to say, those of us Ogden's are grateful to have Charles Burr Ogden's book "Quaker Ogden's in America". Am sure there was as much research as found at that time, along with possible name uncertainties written. Note that not all on Ancestry.com is accurate either. As for Middletown, I believe according to maps, there is more than one, so is there one in England as well as in Wales? Need to show a map.

I cannot totally verify the father of this David Ogden, tho Nehemiah is a good possibility. Again need more complete records. Could all Ogdens, from England, be related? Perhaps DNA would provide more clues. And maybe not.

Again thank you for any new research/maps/records that help identify OUR ANCESTORS.

Mary J. Ogden Armstrong

posted by Mary Armstrong
Sue Murphy
Hello Ogden researchers: I am posting my comments here in addition to corresponding with Louis via email. I have been working with Louis on the Ogden's in my husbands family who are the extension of the family tree included in the Charles Burr Ogden book- in fact that was the book that got me started. My husband and his 5 brothers believe they are descendants from David Ogden. My husband Tom Ogden's father was John Ogden, his father was George Ogden living in Wilmington Delaware.

Yesterday I drove up to the Friends Historical Library at Swarthmore to look at Box 2 of the Charles Smith Ogden papers. The finding aid said Vol 1 included genealogy notes prior to David Ogden's arrival in Philadelphia with William Penn.

I spent three hours with the contents of Box 1. After reviewing all of the documents twice two things are clear: Charles Smith Ogden was very serious about researching the Ogden family tree and hired professional researches in England to track down Quaker records to identify David Ogden's family. His documentation included specific emphasis on the clock makers.

At the end of the day- with an extensive pedigree beginning in the 12th century including variations of the spelling of Ogden that I had never seen before- Charles Smith Ogden was not able to find any written records to document the birth of David Ogden in 1655. He inferred as Louis has indicated, Nehemiah Ogden is the most likely name of his father.

Making this inference was based on two indicators: David Ogden named his second child Nehemiah and they found death records from the Worchester Meeting held as part of the London Meeting of his death in 1681.

In some ways- this inference makes sense based on additional information not included in the papers. Worcester and Worcestshire were associated with the weaving industry at the time. Additionally there was an indentured servant to a wealthy business man that purchased land with David Ogden who arrived two years after David- with clear ties to Worchester.

What is also clear from the papers, Charles Smith Ogden did not differentiate between the Ogden's associated with New Jersey and John Ogden the Pilgrim from the Quaker Ogden's of Philadelphia. He made no distinction in the early family tree.

Charles Smith Ogden listed David Ogden as his ancestor. " Volume 1- David Ogden my ancestor -before and after 1682. The first item in the folder was a rubbing from a clock belonging to John Maude Ogden from Sunderland England. We can infer he believed this was his relative.

posted by Sue Murphy
Ogden-4074 Louis Ogden II
Evidence exists to perhaps more closely identify the father of David Ogden. What is currently accepted is derived entirely from Charles Burr Ogden's book which will be quoted below.

The family legend that David's grandfather was awarded the "Ogden Arms" for his support of King Charles in the English Civil War (p. 23) does not hold water. Such support could only have been provided in the period 1642-1649, and Charles II could only have granted arms after 1660. Validation for this legend is given by Charles Burr Ogden as a Philadelphia Press article published in 1897 which "appears reliable." However, in an 1897 issue of the British journal "The Literary Era," a herald of the College of Arms in London, when asked to verify this claim, is clearly quoted as writing that "the College of Arms here cannot find a record of any such history." Further the herald states that after an extensive search, the college did find "this coat of arms . . . drafted somewhere about 1620, . . . marked over the top with the name Ogton." Thus, while David's descendants can perhaps be justifiably proud in displaying the "Ogden Arms," the legend is unfounded.

The given name generally accepted for David's grandfather (John) is derived from this legend and must be viewed with a jaundiced eye. Further, the possible names given for [Ogden-2729|David's] father (Jonathan or David) are without any support whatsoever and are even more suspicious. The Lancashire location associated with the grant of arms may indeed be valid as the surname Ogden originated there, early in the 15th Century, in Rochdale parish. However, given that whatever event resulted in the grant of arms occurred multiple generations prior to David's birth, this is not evidence that David was born there.

A clue to David's origin is found in Charles Burr Ogden's book. He concludes (again on p. 23) that David "settled in Chester County, at a place where he and others who came with him from Middletown, County of Chester, England, named after their native town." This description is attributed to Sir Bernard Burke, a noted British genealogist and an officer-of-arms at the College of Arms in London. This attribution is in error; Burke's description was obviously misinterpreted. Middletown is in Wales, on the border with England, and clearly not in England. Quaker records for this area of Wales are recorded in the Chester Quarterly Meeting Minutes, Chester being a town in Cheshire (Chester County), England. Thus, it is likely that Burke described Quaker emigrants from the area around Middletown who were members of the Chester Meeting. History shows that many of the early Quakers in Penn's fleet were from Wales.

Two records available at Ancestry.com should be considered in identifying David's origin:

On 4 Jan 1650/51 David Ogden, son of Nehemiah Ogden, was baptized at Chester St. Peter, Cheshire, England. Two things to note here. First, this is a Church of England record, predating Quakerism. Second, David named a son [Ogden-2642|Nehemiah], perhaps after his father.

Nehemiah Ogden, age 94, died on 18 Jun 1713 and was buried at Wrexham, Wales (not England) on 20 Jun 1713. This from the Quaker records of the Quarterly Meeting of Cheshire and Staffordshire: Cheshire. Note that Wrexham is 13 miles southwest of Chester and 23 miles north of Middletown.

Sources for everything mentioned above are available online. I propose that the profile for David's father be revised to show his name to likely be Nehemiah, along with an appropriate biography. I have further information to suggest that Nehemiah originated in Oldham, Lancashire, but I will save that info for later as this message has gone overly long.

posted by Louis Ogden II
Mary Armstrong
As a trusted WIKI member, please contact a manager if you have EXTENSIVE NEW pertinent info to add. This gives the opportunity to review it first in case of a question of amount or duplicate additions. ( which sometimes happens)

It is good policy and adding relevant, not repeats, is definitely wanted for many to see/read.

In this case, most we learn of David Ogden comes(along with other resources as well) from a book," The Quaker Ogdens in America" by Charles Burr Ogden. (Please see comments below,as noted Feb, 2016 by Mary Armstrong.) It is too extensive to copy in total in the "Sources" category here. This book is definitely a resource to read if you are of the Ogden line and need to learn more.

Do, remember to make your public comments here with more about DAVID OGDEN.

posted by Mary Armstrong
X-4925 Anne X
[1] has

QUAKER ARRIVALS at PHILADELPHIA 1682 - 1750 Being a List of Certificates of Removal Received at Philadelphia Monthly Meeting of Friends. by Albert Cook Myers, M. L. Member of the Historical Society of Pennsylvania Author of "Immigration of the Irish Quakers into Pennsylvania."

Philadelphia FERRIS & LEACH 1902 Part I - 1682 to 1705

Shows a DAVID OGDEN, from London, England, dated 11 mo. 21, 1681-2.

posted by Anne X
edited by Anne X
Lee-5956 Robin Lee
Ogden-3416 and Ogden-53 appear to represent the same person because: identical dates and family
posted by Robin Lee
Mary Armstrong
This name is the same David Ogden that I have profiled and am gradually adding descendants. So this is a duplicate or should be merged!
posted by Mary Armstrong
Mary Armstrong
Per David Ogden's birth location.

It is believed he was born in Lancashire, England. Not birth records are known if in fact he was from Oldham, Lancashire, England. Yet it is very likely he was. If further records are found then will be added here. Many have searched but not found.

posted by Mary Armstrong
Mary Armstrong
In reference to the father of David Ogden, it was written in "THE QUAKER OGDENS, 1898, by Charles Burr Ogden, based on original research by Charles Smith Ogden, that David Ogden, who arrived in Americas in 1682, was the son of either Jonathan or David Ogden, who were sons of John Ogden, the Weaver, for the Revolutionary Army serving Charles the first.

It was believed that David's sisters, Hannah and Sarah were also on "Ye Good Ship Welcome, though not verified.

posted by Mary Armstrong
Mary Armstrong
As we add our Ogden roots we must be careful not to mix up the Quaker, David Ogden, who settled in Chester county, PA in 1686..... WITH other Ogden names (John the Pilgrim) who settled in NJ or NY or areas near there. It is believed they are not related, yet many first names will be similar.

So in the Ogden searches we rely on what records we have or find of our Ogden (name) background/roots.

posted by Mary Armstrong

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