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Michèle Sauvagie

Michèle (Michele) Sauvagie
Born [date unknown] in Prisches, Nord, Francemap [uncertain]
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
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Wife of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Wife of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
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Died after in Haarlem, North Holland, Netherlandsmap [uncertain]
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Biography

Michele Sauvagie was a Huguenot emigrant (1540-1790).

Birth

Michèle Sauvagie was likely born circa 1575. We do not have a source of evidence for her birth date or birth place, although from the name it is a likely case that she was born in France.

Marriage

Michèle married first Sacryas “Claes” Flamen and second Jeromonimus Tricault, also known as Jerome Trico.

Children

  1. Marije
  2. Catalyntje
  3. Margriet

Marie Flamen wrote her will exceptionally early in her life, and the write up in New Netherland Connections about it from researcher Pim Nieuwenhuis in New Netherland Connections Volume 1, issue 4 on page 92 is the first finding of the remarkable discovery that Michele's maiden name was Sauvagie. With the digitization of the Amsterdam Archives, the original scans with this information can finally be shared with the world.

Marie's will starts on page 63 of Sibrant Cornelisz's archive file and continues on page 64 in Book 630.[1]

She provided parental consent for the marriage of her daughter Margriet Trico to Jan de la Fontayne dit Wycart 21 May 1632. [2] [3] [4]

Death

We have no evidence for her death date or death place, although we know she was alive for daughter Margariet Trico’s marriage in 1632 as Margariet had to bring written permission from her mother to marry.[5]

Research Notes

Most of the research that we have revealing Michèle’s identity are secondhand found by researcher Pim Nieuwenhuis for New Netherland Connections. Tracking down the originals has become exceptionally important for future research. With the digitization of the Amsterdam Archives, this should in theory be possible even with the scant information provided by Pim.

New Netherland Connections also has the tantalizing reference to other Trico members found in the Haarlem Archives, checked by Dr. G.J. van Amerongen, in which there was a Philippe Trico married to Sara Janis. This could be a son of Michèle’s – Marie Flamen’s will mentions she had brothers and sisters, so its plausible, but the information has never been followed up on. [6]

Michele's daughter Marie is also mentioned in another file at the Amsterdam Archives "3964-3966 Index op de familienamen van de partijen voorkomende in de Inbrengregisters over de periode 1468-1656, 1954" in book 3965, however, someone who can read old written Dutch will need to review the index and figure out how it translates into a reference. [[https://archief.amsterdam/inventarissen/scans/5073/4.3.2/start/20/limit/10/highlight/9|

Parents have been proposed for Michèle, however, no evidence has yet been found. The candidates: Alexis Sauvagie and Marguerite Urdie Germaine dit Belisle, and Jacques Sauvageau and Renee Coypeau.

Sources

  1. Cornelisz, Sibrant. (1624). Inventarissen 5075 Archief van de Notarissen ter Standplaats Amsterdam. Book 630, Folio 61. https://archief.amsterdam/inventarissen/file/de808a16-9405-151f-2347-e74ee41bdf99
  2. "Further Information About Catalina Trico," New Netherland Connections. Berkeley, CA: Dorothy A. Koenig, 1996-2010. (Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2008.), Vol. 1 (1996), issue 4, pages 89-93.
  3. Macy, Harry Jr., "375th Anniversary of the Eendracht and Nieuw Nederland," The New York Genealogical and Biographical Newsletter (New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, New York.) Winter 1999, Vol 10, No. 1, Pages 4-5.
  4. "New Netherland Connections [NNC] 1 (1996):3:55-63"
  5. Source: "Catalina Trico from Namur (1605-1689) and Her Nephew Arnoldus de la Grange," New Netherland Connections (NNC) 1:3:55-63
  6. New Netherland Connections. Berkeley, CA: Dorothy A. Koenig. Vol. 1 (Dorothy A. Koenig, Berkeley, California, 1996) p. 93.
  • New Netherland Connections. Berkeley, CA: Dorothy A. Koenig, 1996-2010. (Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2008.)

See also:

Notes on Erroneous Sources

There is an incorrect citation from Ancestry and is republished throughout the internet about Michèle. It does not list Michèle, the article is about her daughter Catalyntje and her husband Joris' future descendants. Please do not republish this source on Michèle's profile. '"New York, Genealogical Records, 1675-1920 - The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record (quarterly-1896) -Vol. XXVII. No. 1. January 1896; Richard H. Greene "King's (Now Columbia) College, and its Earliest Alumni (continued from Vol. XXVI., p. 187) Page 35-37"





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Note: (Might be worth some consideration) The last name appears to resemble the old surname appropriation given to people provisionally, who were native to a land (usually North America) and married into the European immigrants family; in other words, where a cultivator for a colony would marry one of the female inhabitants that had no sur name and was a native to the land. i.e.: Sauvage
posted by Jay Delisle
Can somebody please write something with clarity about " Notes on Descendants

There is an incorrect citation from Ancestry and is republished throughout ..."

I have no idea what information that paragraph is trying to convey. What is "incorrect?" Please be specific in the bio. These kinds of vaguely general comments in biographies are a menace in genealogy, leading to all sorts of contradictory conclusions by casual readers about what should just be a simple statement of self-evident fact when read.

posted by Steven Mix
Steven, I believe it was that the quoted information below was cited as a source for Michele's name and information, however, she isn't mentioned at all. Its on a bunch of internet trees and on Ancestry as one of the "sources" for Michele Sauvagie, and it was cited here as a source as well when it shouldn't be.
posted by Concetta Phillipps
Thanks. My comment was because the bio is inadequate in explaining it, on a high-traffic featured profile. Vague bio statements do much more harm than good in genealogy, and it's why we always have contradictory dates and names and relationships, because different people draw different conclusions from vague statements that they encounter in various muddled bios. So I just hope that somebody who understands this particular one very clearly will actually clean it up so that casual readers will also understand it very clearly. Because I did not understand it at all, upon reading, which is hwy it triggered me. :)
posted by Steven Mix
I had to add the source for Marie Flamen's will since I *finally* got the image right from the Amsterdam archives, so I took a crack at reformatting that note. Let me know what you think, I always trust your review.
posted by Concetta Phillipps
Thanks! I think that is much more clear now. So as I understand it, the source is

'"New York, Genealogical Records, 1675-1920 - The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record (quarterly-1896) -Vol. XXVII. No. 1. January 1896; Richard H. Greene "King's (Now Columbia) College, and its Earliest Alumni (continued from Vol. XXVI., p. 187) Page 35-37"

Which is a valid source, right? But for some reason, something somewhere on Ancestry dot com is linking that as a source to Michele, rather than as a source to her daughter's family only. So the source makes no link to Michele, but for some reason, that thing on Ancestry dot com is applying it as a source to Michele, which is then getting wrongly propagated.

So that is how I interpret it now. At least it now makes clear that this particular source (and its data) should not be propagated to this particular profile, as any source for the identity or kinship of Michele. If I have this understanding correct now, then the bio should be fine now.

posted by Steven Mix
I removed the unsourced template on the strength of the New York, Genealogical Records, 1675-1920 and U.S. and Canada, Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s sources. While not great, I believe that there is enough evidence to support the statement that "based on the preponderance of evidence" Michele should not be tagged as unsourced.
posted by John Beardsley
Those two records are actually not about Michele, they are about her daughter Catalina so I've removed them. The one source that we have, the New Netherlands Connections journal has several sources within it and is enough to keep Michele's profile off the unsourced template list.
posted by Concetta Phillipps
Michele was attached here in error as a granddaughter of http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Sauvageau-1

but clearly she is born a century too early for that relationship. However, I am leaving this note here before detaching, because there may be some other distant relationship between the two families.

posted by Steven Mix