Edward Scott (bef. 1574 - 1643)

Born before 3 Jan 1574 in Glemsford, Suffolk, England

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Died 25 Apr 1643 after age 69 in Glemsford, Suffolk, England

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Biography

Edward Scott married Sarah Carter, 18 Dec 1599 in Glemsford, Suffolk, England. ^[1]

Edward Scott was named as the eldest son in the will of his father, dated 8 September 1627. ^[2]

Note that Sir Anthony Wagner, in his book, “English Genealogy", places Edward as the son of the Richard Scott, clothier, of Glemsford, who died in 1565.

Children

1. Edrus. Scott, s/o Edri., bpt 23 Jan 1602, Glemsford, Suffolk, England^[3][4] Edward son of Edward buried 6 May 1603.^[4]
2. Edrus. Scott, s/o Edri. Scott and Sarae, bpt 25 Jul 1604, Glemsford, Suffolk, England^[5][4]
3. Richard son of Edward and Sarah Scott bpt 9 Sep 1605.^[4]
4. Matheus Scott, s/o Edri. Scott and Sarae, bpt 8 Nov 1607, Glemsford, Suffolk, England^[6][4]
5. Georgius Scott, s/o Edri. Scott and Sarae, bpt 17 May 1610, Glemsford, Suffolk, England^[7][4] George was buried. 11 Dec 1611^[4]
6. Georgius Scott, s/o Edri. Scott and Sarae, bpt 03 Nov 1612, Glemsford, Suffolk, England^[8][4]
7. Fredericus Scott, son of Edwardi Scott * Sarae, bpt. 08 Aug 1614, Glemsford, Suffolk, England^{[9] [4]}
8. Mattheus Scott, son of Edwardi Scott & Sarae, was bpt 16 Feb 1616, in Glemsford, Suffolk, England ^[10][4] Matthew was buried 6 Oct 1616. ^[4]
9. Jerusa Scott, d/o Edwardi Scott and Sarae, bpt 27 Feb 1619 Glemsford, Suffolk, England^[11][4] Jemisa [Jerusa] buried 18 Jan 1633.^[4]

He was mentioned in the will of his son, George Scott, in 1640.

Possible second wife Mary Frost

If the will shown in this profile does belong to this man, then Edward's wife at the time he wrote his will was Marie (or more likely Mary). If his first wife Sarah was the one who died in Glemsford on 21 Aug 1631^[12] then it is very possible that he married Mary Frost on 9 Jan 1632/33 at Lawshall, Suffolk about 7 miles away.^[13] This was most likely the Mary Frost christened 28 Oct 1601 at All Saints. Lawshall, daughter of Henry Frost.^[14] with sisters Elizabeth (1595), Ann (1598) and Bridget (1604) all christened in the same place. Henry Frost married Ann Eley at All Saints Lawshall 1 Nov 1593.^[15] Of course, it may be a different Edward Scott but no Scott baptisms are found in Lawshall from 1633 through 1643 at freereg, findmypast, familysearch or ancestry so it seems whichever Edward Scott married Mary Frost there in 1633, they did not stay in the parish or else they had no children. Neither have any Scott burials been found through 1713 except for a Robert in 1664 so it would seem Edward & Mary did not stay childless in Lawshall until they died.

This is far from certain given the common names, and in total four Sarah Scotts died at Glemsford St. Mary between 1631 and 1640 as found at findmypast.co.uk, all without supplemental information in the transcriptions so any of them could have been the wife of Edward Scott. Bowen in his "Collected Papers" cited here asserts that the Sarah buried on 29 Mar 1633 was the wife of Edward Scott but unless the original image was available and specified that she was wife of Edward Scott, it seems difficult to assert when Edward's wife died.^[16]

Death & Estate

He died in 1643. ^[17]

Partial Will Transcript (transcribed by Darlene Athey Hill)

Will dated 26 Dec 1642. Edward Scott of Glemsford in the county of Suffolk, clothier.

To wife Marie, all those messuages, lands, tenements, meadows, and payments (?) whatsoever …with their and every of their appurtements, situate, lying and being in Glemsford aforesaid which I hold or purchased of or from George Crispe the elder of Glemsford … After the death of the said Marie, I will devise and bequeath all and singular the same messuages … unto Mary my daughter and to the heirs of her body. And for want of such heirs, then I will and devise all and singular the said appurtenances unto Matthew Scott my sonne, his heirs . . .

Item, unto Marie my wife for terms of her life all those lands meadows and pastures lying and being in Glemsford aforesaid with their and every of their appurtenances … which I had or purchased by several …. After the death of my said wife to Charles my son …

Item, unto Marie my wife . . . one slope of ground pasture called Hamlensden…. which I purchased of and from Isaac Apleton, Esq, and Frances Apleton, his sister. After the death of my said wife to Frederick Scott my son.

Item, I give and bequeath unto Edward Scott my eldest son my manors of Troketts and Peverells and ___and all and singular . . . which I bought of Samuel Coleman, gentleman. Situate lying extending and being in the ___ ___ and parishes of Boxted, Glemsford, Cavendish, Hawkedon and Somerton in the said …And also one messuage with the land meadows and pastures thereto or therewith … lying and being in the T___ A___ or parishes of Stanfield, Pottingford, and Chipley …unto my said son Edward Scott his heirs and …

Item I give and bequeath unto Frederick Scott my son my land meadows and pastures __ freeholds and ___ lying and being in Glemsford aforesaid, now or ___ in the possession or ___ of one Ambrose Evered. . . and all those messuages land meadows . . . tenements hereditaments . . . lying and being in Glemsford aforesaid, which I bought had or purchased from the aforenamed ___ ___ … and which I purchased of one Matthew Copsey to hold …(lots of stuff) for the payment of all those moneys and legacies amounting to the sum of two hundred and twenty pounds which Edward Scott my father deceased did give and bequeath by his last will and testament, and are not as yet grown due and payable. And that my said son Frederick his heirs or assigns shall pay or __ to be paid unto Matthew my son one hundred pounds of good English money within six months next after my decease. And the said piece of __ land containing about three acres and a half and __ purchased of Matthew Copley aforesaid charged with the payment of forty shillings per annum for the use of the poor people of the said town of Glemsford.

Item, I give will and bequeath unto Matthew Scott my sonne, and to his heirs . . .all those messuages, lands, tenements and hereditaments whatsoever with their and every of the appurtenances situate lying and being in the To__ ___ and parishes of Glemsford, Boxted, Cavendish and Hawkden, … which I had or purchased of or from William Linge, Matthew Lancaster, Sylvester Strutt, Henry Cutts gent., Thomas Mayes, Thomas Evered, Joane Playle widow and Agnes Oldnar wyddow, … all my lands tenements and hereditaments whatsoever situate lying and being in ___ and in the hamlet of Chilton in the said county of Suffolk.

Item, I give devise and bequeath unto Charles my sonne, at his age of one and twenty, all that messuage and tenement called Walgraves situate and being in Hartest in the county of Suffolk, and all and singular shop houses, buildings, land and tenements, meadows, pastures and hereditaments … with their and every of their appurtenances situate lying and being in ___ aforesaid and in ___ in the said county of Suffolk… which were sometimes Thomas Hayward of Bulmer in Essex and which I purchased of Thomas Hayward his son, Elizabeth ___ widdow, Roger Browne and Walter Payne, or of some of them. To have and to hold the same unto my said son Charles, from and immediately after his said age of one and twenty __ accomplished and to the heirs of his body. And for want of such isue, then to Mary my daughter and the heirs of her body lawfully begotten. And for default of such issue, then to James Scott, the son of Richard Scott my sonne, and to the heirs… And in the meantime vizt until my said sonne Charles shall or should accomplish his said age of one and twenty years, I will and devise that my grantor hereafter named shall have ___ and ___ the whole … of all and singular the said messuages, houses… in ___ and ___ aforesaid. … vizt that my said ___ his ___ or adminis___, shall throughout pay or cause to be paid unto Marie my wife for and towards the maintenance and education of my two youngest children Charles and Marie, __ pounds per annum yearly and every year until my said son Charles shall accomplish his age of one and twenty years. At the feast of the Annunciation of Saint Marie the Virgin and Saint Michael the Archangel or within one month most after every of the said feasts by even and equal ___.

Goes on to mention sons Edward, George and Frederick and other land and items.

Item I give and bequeath to Charles my sonne my black mare to be delivered to his mother for his use, together with the ___ which ___ of the said mare.

The mark of Edward Scott. Sealed published and ___ in the presence of Matthew Scott, Thomas Wright, Robt Bridges, Edward Scott, Frederick Scott, Rich. Gardner. The ___ day of April 1643.

(Note: The will is several pages in length. A lot of detail has been left out of the above transcript. An attempt was made to provide some basic information to identify his heirs.) If you have a subscription to ancestry.com, you can view the will here: https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/5111/40611_310653-00200?pid=1018339&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D5111%26h%3D1018339%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3Dmrk13136%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=mrk13136&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.197555887.1230895344.1577589794-1428318096.1547013217#?imageId=40611_310653-00200

Research notes

Discussion of Richard Scott ancestry: this G2G post.

In 1871, Martin B. Scott published an article in The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record giving a lineage for the Richard Scott who lived in Providence, Rhode Island, which included the Scotts of Scot's Hall in county Kent, England (a rather distinguished family).^[18] It gives Richard's father as another Richard, who was son of Edward. JR Scott's Memorials of Scott of Scot's Hall also links the Scotts of Glemsford to Richard Scott of Scot's Hall.^[19]

In 1942, Richard LeBaron Bowen published in NEHGR repeating this theory and adding a coat of arms to the Providence family, based on a 1608 armorial pedigree roll.^[20] Bowen followed up in 1957 with a further genealogy in his "collected papers". ^[17] Bowen has Richard as the son of Edward (1574-1643), son of Edward (??-1627), third son of Richard Scott (brother of Sir Reginald Scott of Scot's Hall). Moriarty's corrections to Austin's Genealogical Dictionary repeats this theory of the Scott family.^[21]

Sir Anthony Wagner of Oxford published English Genealogy in which he disputed this theory. Describing the 1608 roll as "spurious" he notes that the will of Sir Reginald Scott gave his potential heirs after his children and his nephew as passing to his uncle. This disproves the existence of surviving heirs of any other brother of Sir Reginald.^[22]

A further article was published in 1988 in the American Genealogist.^[23] It notes that Edward was baptized in 1574, so he could not be the grandfather of the colonist Richard who was baptized in 1605.

Sources

1. ↑ "England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NLMX-522 : 10 February 2018), Edrus. Scott and Saram Carter, 18 Dec 1599; citing Glemsford, Suffolk, England, reference, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 950,452.
2. ↑ Edward Scott in Collected papers: armorial, genealogical, and historical Bowen, Richard Le Baron pub. 1959Free full text on Hathitrust.org
3. ↑ "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NBZM-JBB : 11 February 2018, Edrus. Scott, 23 Jan 1602); citing GLEMSFORD,SUFFOLK,ENGLAND, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 950,452.
4. ↑ ^{4.00 4.01 4.02 4.03 4.04 4.05 4.06 4.07 4.08 4.09 4.10 4.11 4.12} Bowen, Richard Le Baron. Collected Papers: Armorial, Genealogical, And Historical. (Rehoboth, Mass., 1959). 9, 10
5. ↑ "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5Y4-F9G : 11 February 2018, Edrus. Scott, 25 Jul 1604); citing GLEMSFORD,SUFFOLK,ENGLAND, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 950,452.
6. ↑ "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JWVJ-HFL : 11 February 2018, Matheus Scott, 08 Nov 1607); citing GLEMSFORD,SUFFOLK,ENGLAND, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 950,452.
7. ↑ “England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5Y4-X4H : 11 February 2018, Georgius Scott, 17 May 1610); citing GLEMSFORD,SUFFOLK,ENGLAND, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 950,452.
8. ↑ "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JWVJ-C5W : 11 February 2018, Georgius Scott, 03 Nov 1612); citing GLEMSFORD,SUFFOLK,ENGLAND, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 950,452.
9. ↑ "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JWVJ-HRL : 11 February 2018, Fredericus Scott, 08 Aug 1614); citing GLEMSFORD,SUFFOLK,ENGLAND, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 950,452.
10. ↑ "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NBZM-JT5 : 11 February 2018, Mattheus Scott, 16 Feb 1616); citing GLEMSFORD,SUFFOLK,ENGLAND, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 950,452.
11. ↑ "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5Y4-T4N : 11 February 2018, Jerusa Scott, 27 Feb 1619); citing GLEMSFORD,SUFFOLK,ENGLAND, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 950,452.
12. ↑ National Burial Index For England & Wales Glemsford, Suffolk, England Sarah Scott 1631 Glemsford burial $subscription
13. ↑ Suffolk : Lawshall : All Saints : Parish Register : "Parish Register" database, FreeREG (https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/58185510e93790eb7f9a5378 : viewed 27 Sep 2021) marriage Edward Scott to Mary Frost 09 Jan 1632/33
14. ↑ Suffolk : Lawshall : All Saints : Parish Register : "Parish Register" database, FreeREG (https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5a7dd624f493fd2e6b45d9bb : viewed 27 Sep 2021) baptism Mary Froste 28 Oct 1601
15. ↑ Suffolk : Lawshall : All Saints : Parish Register : "Parish Register" database, FreeREG (https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/604ce0a6f493fd23f1f25d91 : viewed 27 Sep 2021) marriage Henrie Frost to Anne Eley 01 Nov 1593
16. ↑ National Burial Index For England & Wales Glemsford, Suffolk, England Sarah Scott 1633 Glemsford burial $subscription
17. ↑ ^{17.0 17.1} Collected papers: armorial, genealogical, and historical., Bowen, Richard Le Baron., 1959
18. ↑ Martin B. Scott, The Scott Family, The New York genealogical and biographical record 2:174-179, 1871
19. ↑ Memorials of the family of Scott, of Scot's-hall, in the county of Kent, J.R. Scott, 1876
20. ↑ Richard LeBaron Bowen, The Arms of Scott, NEHGR 96(1942):3-27, available at americanancestors.org
21. ↑ G. Andrews Moriarty, Additions and Corrections to Austin's Genealogical Dictionary of Rhode Island, TAG 20(1943):223-235, p. 229-230. available at americanancestors.org
22. ↑ English Genealogy, Anthony Wagner, 2nd. edit. (Oxford) 1972, p. 416.
23. ↑ "The Paternal Ancestry of Thomasine Frost, Wife of Deacon Edmund Rice of Sudbury, Mass.,” Harold F Porter, The American Genealogist vol 63 [1988]: 129-37; editorial note at pp. 135-6)

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