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Unknown Abenaki (abt. 1610)

Unknown Abenaki aka Kjipuktuk
Born about in Abenaki Nationmap
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
[spouse(s) unknown]
[children unknown]
Died [date unknown] [location unknown]
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Some family trees refer to her as Kjipuktuk, but there is no documented person with that name in any Acadian records. If you have sources for this, please add them to the comments on the profile and they can be reconsidered.

Changed Information: This Unknown indigeneous woman was born about 1610. She was previously thought to be the wife of Germain Doucet (abt.1595-aft.1654), who before 1654, adopted a male child that was of Native American ancestry. The child was given Germain's name and raised in the French culture. It is unknown if the child's mother lived as man and wife with Germain Doucet senior. The woman, whose name is unknown, was most likely Eastern Abenaki Nation (probably of the Penobscot Nation in the Penobscot Bay area of present-day Maine, USA, since Germain senior served at Castine, Maine (1635-1650) when the woman's children were born (historical records about Germaine Doucet). She is estimated to have been born about 1610 since her likely daughter has a possible birth date of between 1625 and 1641.

DNA Revised
According to Stephen White of the Acadian Studies Centre in Moncton, New Brunswick, his research, based on a dispensation given for the marriage of Claude Trahan to Anne LeBlanc, leads him to believe that the wife of Pierre Lejeune II was a daughter of Germain Doucet, whose name is unknown. Then we also have to conclude that Germain Doucet had at least two wives and not one, since some of the descendants of his daughter, Marguerite, have tested for the non-Native American Haplogroup T2, yet Jeanne Lejeune dit Briart, who would also be his grand daughter based on the dispensation, had the Native American Haplogroup A, indicating that her mother and Marguerite Doucet were half-sisters with different mothers. Therefore, Pierre Lejeune II's Doucet wife was at least maternally Amerindienne (Metis), or completely Amerindienne and adopted, as was her brother Germain II. (Source for part of this DNA discussion was the Bra d'Or First Nation study.)

Previous Belief about Germain Doucet-20
In 1640, Germain Doucet (abt.1595-aft.1654) was in the farthest southern part of Acadia (New France), as d'Aulnay's right-hand man. He was Master at Arms at Pentagöuet (Castine, Maine). There were Amerindians living around the fort, probably Abenaki. The Amerindians around Penobscot Bay were part of the Eastern Abenaki, including the Penobscot Nation, enemies of the Mi'kmaq, but related to them as well.[1][2][3] Isaac de Razilly and D'Aulnay encouraged their lieutenants to "marry" native Abenaki woman so as to foster political ties with these Abenakis and ally them against the British. At least one grave was found near Deer Isle Maine, that had been exposed by the weather. It had the remains of a French "soldier of fortune" in armor and a native woman buried with him. The grave was recovered and the armor given to the Penobscot "fire keepers."

Sources

  1. Stephen A. White, Patrice Gallant, and Hector-J Hébert, Dictionnaire Généalogique Des Familles Acadiennes, (Moncton, N.-B.: Centre D'études Acadiennes, Université De Moncton, 1999) pp. 526-528.
  2. Stephen A. White, Dictionnaire généalogique des familles acadiennes, [http://www.umoncton.ca/umcm-ceaac/files/umcm-ceaac/wf/wf/pdf/cor-dict.pdf "Ajouts et corrections"], (Moncton, N.-B.: University of Moncton, Centre d'études acadiennes; pp. 76/197:
    Famille de Germain Doucet (1) Au lieu de «Couperans en Brie (ou Conflans en Brye)» lire «Couperoue en Brye (Coupru en Brie)».
  3. John Riley, interviews with Elder "Fire Keeper" of the Penobscot nation, approximate dates needed.

See also information about others, not directly related to her:

  • Germaine Doucet's historical records and the DNA testing of Marie's descendants.




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The Marie Jean Doucet daughter in this biography now points to Unknown Doucet born in France and now has mother Unknown Bourg. She should be removed completely from this profile.

Germain Doucet was originally the child of this woman. Now he has a new mother Unknown Unknown. This person seems irrelevant now as her only remaining purpose was to be the mother of Germain Doucet. He should be removed too.

What should we do with her and all the sources? Possibly we could merge her away (with Unknown Unknown) but I am inclined to keep her, add the Kjipuktuk name back in and mark the person Fictional. There was no Kjipuktuk and no known person in this role. Many people will still have this in their genealogies and it might be best to explain the changes to the Doucets and why she isn't the one they are looking for.

Input please - PM's, Denis, Gisele . . .

posted by Cindy (Bourque) Cooper
Good catch. Another possibility, instead of keeping the profile, would be to add these sources to a free space page, and in Germain's bio give a short explanation about this now fictional person, with a link to the space page. It might prevent people from adding this person to their family tree.
posted by Gisèle Cormier
I like the space page idea for the sources and explanation. I'm still thinking either merge with Unknown Unknown or keeping it with the Fictional templage as we have done with this one:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Kagijonais-1

Then when people are looking for Kjipuktuk it will prevent them from adding another profile back.

posted by Cindy (Bourque) Cooper
Her LNAB should not be a place name (regardless of the history of the word). There really isn't an "assigned name" concept in WikiTree. It should be the actual name, or in the case of Natives, the tribe name. The sources do not confirm if she was Mi'kmaq or Abekani, so her LNAB and current last name should be Unknown.
posted on Kjipuktuk-3 (merged) by Cindy (Bourque) Cooper
Could you change her LNAB to Abenaki, being the most likely Nation she was born from.
posted on Kjipuktuk-3 (merged) by [Living Riley]
edited by [Living Riley]
The PPP made my merge of Marie Unknown, Abenaki to just Abenaki. Thereby eliminating the Unknown last name during the merge.
posted on Kjipuktuk-3 (merged) by [Living Riley]
edited by [Living Riley]
Oh bummer. I've been trying to change LNAB to Abenaki but for this profile I can't seem to do it, even as a manager. Can you give it a try? Should it be Unknown or Abenaki?
posted on Kjipuktuk-3 (merged) by Cindy (Bourque) Cooper
Abenaki is fine, but the LNAB should not be Kjipuktuk. Change this to Abenaki.
posted on Kjipuktuk-3 (merged) by [Living Riley]
edited by [Living Riley]
It's done now, John. Thank you for your collaboration and support on this change.

Cindy

posted by Cindy (Bourque) Cooper
"Kjipuktuk is the Mi'kmaq name of the area around La Hève"

Correction, Kjipuktuk also spelled (Chebooktook and Jipugtug) depending on the region and the regions vernacular.

Kjipuktuk is the name for Halifax, more specifically meaning "The chief or the Largest Harbour in the bay".

Dictionary of the Language of the Micmac Indians: Who Reside in Nova Scotia ... By Silas Tertius Rand Page. 127

LeHave is called Pejinooiskak meaning "having long Joints". in reference to the river.

posted on Kjipuktuk-3 (merged) by Jason Grant
John, should her first name be Unknown? Several times in the biography it says she was unknown, and the statement in the bio that part of her name comes from her daughter and graddaughter couldn't have been true when she was alive because they wouldn't have been born when she was actually named. Cindy
posted on Kjipuktuk-3 (merged) by Cindy (Bourque) Cooper
Already changed to Unknown, with the preferred name Marie Jeanne after her granddaughters.
posted on Kjipuktuk-3 (merged) by [Living Riley]
Thank you! That was fast. We are near the tail end of revision all the PPP profiles so you'll see me working on a couple of yours. Putting them in Chrono order, makingn inline citations, adding sources when possible. No real substantive changes. If you see anything that concerns you, please let me know!

Thanks for your support, Cinduy

posted on Kjipuktuk-3 (merged) by Cindy (Bourque) Cooper

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