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John Alden (abt. 1598 - 1687)

John Alden
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Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
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Husband of — married about 1622 in Plymouth Colonymap
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Died at about age 89 in Duxbury, Plymouth, Plymouth Colonymap
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Biography

John Alden worked as a cooper aboard the Mayflower on its voyage to New England in 1620. He married Mayflower passenger Priscilla Mullins and they left many descendants across America, including the second president of the United States, John Adams and his son, the sixth president, John Quincy Adams.

Origins

The date and place of John Alden's birth and the identity of his parents are unknown.[1][2] In a series of articles for The Mayflower Descendant from 1989-1991, Alicia Crane Williams analyzed the most popular theories about John's origins.[1][3] Her theories are incorporated into an analysis here: John Alden Parentage Possibilities.

Many online trees and biographies suggest a possible birthplace in England in either Harwich or Southampton, but no definitive proof can be found that John was from either place. The most popular theory about John's origins is that he came from Harwich, Essex, and could be related by marriage to Mayflower Captain Christopher Jones.[1][4] However, no records have been found in Harwich (or in the county of Essex) for the John Alden of this profile. Also, if John had been related to Captain Jones, Gov. William Bradford did not know about it or he certainly would have mentioned the connection in his detailed written history of the colony which spans three decades.[1] No records for a John Alden have been found in Southampton, Hampshire, either.[1] An "origin" of Southampton is put forth in Robert Charles Anderson's Great Migration Begins simply because John was hired as a cooper on the Mayflower at Southampton, where the ship took on provisions. Anderson makes no claim to where John was born.[5]

John's birth year is estimated as about 1598 based on the following records:

  • John's testimony on 6 July 1682 concerning the ownership of Hog Island: at that time he swore that he was "age 83 years or thereabouts".[1][6]
  • John's age at his 12 September 1687 death was "about eighty-nine years of age".[1][5] John's age at death comes from two different broadsides that were published on his death. Images of those broadsides can be seen here.[4]

Mayflower Voyage

John was a cooper (barrel-maker) by trade and was hired to work aboard the Mayflower in 1620. According to Bradford, John "being a hopeful young man was much desired but left to his own liking to go or stay when he came here; but he stayed and married here".[1][5]

John was one of the signers of the Mayflower Compact, the first governing document of Plymouth Colony, signed 11 November 1620 aboard the Mayflower.[1] The signers of the Compact were all free adult males[1] and represented 41 of the Mayflower's 101 passengers.[7]

Marriage

It is thought that John and Priscilla Mullins were married in Plymouth Colony sometime after Edward Winslow married to Susanna White on 12 May 1621 (Bradford calls this the first marriage at Plymouth),[1][8] and before the July 1623 land division (because Priscilla is not listed separately on the 1623 division of land, it is assumed the couple were married before that event). The second marriage in the colony was probably that of Francis Eaton to his second wife, Dorothy, and the fourth marriage in Plymouth was of Gov. William Bradford to Alice Carpenter on 14 August 1624, so John and Priscilla's marriage was likely the third in the Colony.[1]

Life in Plymouth Colony

As a 1620 Mayflower passenger, John was granted land in the 1623 Plymouth Colony Division of Land[5] and was in the group that received land on the "north side of the towne". The amount of acreage he received is illegible in colony records, but John likely received four acres, one each for himself and his wife, Priscilla, and one each for his in-laws, William Mullins and his wife, Alice (Priscilla and her parents were also Mayflower passengers, her parents died during the first winter).[1]

In 1626, 53 members of Plymouth Colony, including John Alden, along with five men from London,[9] purchased all the land, stock, etc. held by the Merchant Adventurers, who had originally financed the Colony. This group of 58 became known as the "Purchasers". In May 1627, John and seven other colonists joined together "to undertake the debt owed by the purchasers". This group became known as the "Undertakers". The Undertakers received boats and furs that had belonged to the Plymouth Company as well as the rights to trade for themselves for six years.[1]

John, Priscilla, daughter Elizabeth and son John appear in the 22 May 1627 Plymouth Colony Division of Cattle in the company of John Howland.[1][5] In an effort to create family farms capable of maintaining the population, the following January (1627/28), every individual was allotted a share of 20 acres of land along the coast with each farm having access to the harbor. The Alden family probably received about 100 acres in the division: 20 acres each to John and Priscilla, and also to their children Elizabeth and John, Jr., and perhaps Joseph, who was born about 1627. The location of the land grants was made by drawing lots, so the Aldens did not choose the location of their property, which was among the furthest north.[10]

John Alden was listed on the 1633 Plymouth list of freemen as one of those admitted before 1 January 1632/3.[1][5][11] John also appears on the tax lists of 1633 and 1634.[1]

Life in Duxbury

As early as 1629, John and several other Plymouth colonists were among the first colonists to settle on land they had been granted in 1627, the Alden land being in the area that would become Duxbury, located north of Plymouth[4] and across the bay. Several colonists started building homes around 1629 and, by 1631, the Aldens likely lived in most of the year in Duxbury.[1] In 1632, the families who settled in Duxbury agreed to spend winters in Plymouth but, at some point, returning to Plymouth became a hardship and the families asked to be dismissed from Plymouth, taking up permanent residence in Duxbury.[1]

John was actively involved in trading on the Kennebec River in what is now Maine. In 1634, John was one of the leaders of a group of Plymouth fur traders who became involved in a heated dispute with a group of trespassers from the Piscataqua settlement. One man from each group was killed and John, as one of the Plymouth group's leaders, was detained in Boston for questioning even though he wasn't present during the dispute. Governor Bradford intervened and secured John's release.[1][5]

John appears on lists of freemen in 1636/7,[12] 1639 and 1658. He was listed as "of Duxbury" in the later two lists.[5] He appears on the 1643 list of men able to bear arms in Duxbury, along with his sons John Jr. and Joseph.[1]

He served in many public offices in Duxbury from 1632 to 1686, including: Assistant to the colony government, 1632-1640, 1650-1686;[1] and Deputy to the Plymouth General Court. He was on many councils and committees.[5] He twice served as Deputy Governor, March 1664/5 and October 1677, and also served as Treasurer 1656-1658.[1][5]

John was granted several parcels of land between 1633 and 1673/4. These lands included parcels in Duxbury, Bridgewater, Middleborough, Lakeville and others.[1] Between 1674 and 1687, in a series of several deeds, John gifted various parcels of his land to his sons. John held no lands in his name at his death.[1][5]

Death, Will, and Burial

John died on 12 September 1687[13] in Duxbury.[1][5] He was the last signer of the Mayflower Compact to pass.[1]

John died intestate and the administration of his estate was granted to his son, Jonathan Alden, on 8 November 1687. On that date, Jonathan provided to the court an inventory of his father's estate taken 31 October 1687.[1][14][15] The inventory totalled £49 17s. 6d in tangible property as John had distributed his lands prior to his death.[1][16] All of John's heirs signed a release dated 13 June 1688, attesting that they had received their shares of their father's estate from Jonathan Alden. Signers of the release were: William Pabodie (husband of Elizabeth), John Alden, Joseph Alden, Priscilla Alden, Mary Alden, Thomas Delano (husband of Rebecca), and David Alden. Alexander Standish signed for Sarah Alden's share and John Bass signed for Ruth's share as both Sarah and Ruth predeceased their father.[1][5][14][17][18]

John and Priscilla were buried in the Old Duxbury burying ground, but the exact location of their graves is unknown.[1] The Alden Kindred of America erected gravestones for John and Priscilla Alden in the area of the cemetery where other Alden family members were known to be buried.[1] The gravestones were erected in 1930.[19]

Children

All of the Alden children were born before Gov. Bradford made his "Decreasings and Increasing" list in 1650.[1][20] John and Priscilla had the following children (all birth dates are estimates as no birth records survive):

  1. Elizabeth, eldest child, born about 1624, married William Pabodie;[1] she died 31 May 1717[5]
  2. John, born about 1626, married Elizabeth Phillips, widow of Abiel Everill;[1] he died 14 March 1701/2[5]
  3. Joseph, born about 1627, married Mary Simmons[1] (Anderson calls her Simonson)[5]
  4. Priscilla, was living unmarried in 1688;[1] Anderson estimates her birth at about 1630[5]
  5. Jonathan, born about 1632/3, married Abigail Hallett;[1] he died 14 February 1696/7 in his 65th year[5]
  6. Sarah, born between 1630-1640 (Anderson estimates 1634), married Alexander Standish[1][5]
  7. Ruth, born about 1636/7, married John Bass[1][5]
  8. Mary, was living unmarried in 1688;[1] Anderson estimates her birth at about 1638[5]
  9. Rebecca, born before 1649 (Anderson gives an estimate of about 1640), married Thomas Delano[1][5]
  10. David, born between 1645-1650 (Anderson estimates his birth about 1642), married Mary Southworth[1][5]

John and Priscilla may have also had an unnamed child who either died young or died without issue before John Alden's estate was divided.[2] Bradford wrote in the 1650 "Decreasings and Increasing" list of passengers that the Aldens had eleven children and their daughter, Elizabeth had five children. However, in the marginal tally, he wrote "15".[1][20]

Longfellow's Poem: The Courtship of Miles Standish

In The Courtship of Miles Standish, a poem by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow published in 1858, Longfellow immortalized a fictional love triangle between John Alden, Miles Standish, and Priscilla Mullins that was first referred to in print in 1814 in Rev. Timothy Alden’s A Collection of American Epitaphs and Inscriptions with Occasional Notes.[1][21]

The imagined likeness of John, shown on this profile, is by sculptor John Rogers (1829-1904) and is based on a line from Longfellow’s poem. According to the Smithsonian Art Museum,

Captain Miles Standish asks John Alden to propose to Priscilla on his behalf. John goes to visit Priscilla and does as requested, even though he is in love with her himself. This sculpture shows the moment when Priscilla guesses John’s true feelings and declares, ​“Why don’t you speak for yourself, John?”[22]

Although Longfellow's famous poem tells a charming tale of a courtship during the early days of Plymouth Colony, it is likely fictional, especially if the story took place while Priscilla's father was alive. The death of Miles' wife Rose occurred on 29 January and Priscilla's father died 21 February and there is little chance that Miles Standish would have been courting anyone so soon after the death of his wife, especially during the colony's first winter, when so many colonists were starving, sick and dying.[1]

Priscilla Alden was living in 1650/1 when she was named in William Bradford's summary of Mayflower Passengers.[5] Her date of death is unknown, but it is thought that she died before her husband because she was not mentioned in the public notice of his death in 1687.[1]

The John Alden House

The original John Alden House, built about 1632, no longer exists. It was located about 800 feet southeast of the current Alden house, built by John's son Jonathan. The core of the present house was built circa 1700 by Jonathan Alden, probably before the death of his father John, perhaps around the time of his marriage in 1672. The 1700 house and the property it is built on (including the site of the 1632 house) are part of the original land grant given to John and Priscilla Alden in 1627 and was made a National Historic Landmark in 2009. The property was purchased by the Alden Kindred of America 1907 to "preserve, educate and exhibit the history and heritage of Pilgrims John Alden and Priscilla Mullins Alden".[23] More information on the original (1632) Alden house is available here.

The original (1632) house built by John Alden may have been disassembled, moved to the site of the newer [Jonathan] Alden house, reassembled and used as a kitchen, borning room and buttrey as the dimensions are the same.[1]

Research Notes

Additional Children

Some older genealogies contain a Zachariah Alden as a son of John and Priscilla. There is no proof they had a son of this name or that Zachariah ever existed.[24] See the G2G post about Zachariah HERE.

DNA

Y-DNA Results R1b-P312[25]

PREVIOUS TESTING: The Mayflower DNA Project lists three patrilineal (all male line) descendants of John Alden. None of the three individuals have done any SNP testing. One individual has tested 67 Y-STRs. FTDNA has only predicted where the family falls under the R-M269 Haplogroup. Plugging in the 67 Y-STRs in the Nevgen Y-DNA Haplogroup Predictor gives a result of either R-U152 or R-DF27. Both Haplogroups fall under the STR based clade of R-Z38841.
NEXT GENERATION SEQUENCE TESTING: NGS testing of patrilineal (all male-line) descendants of John Alden would further refine the haplogroup assignment for this family and also likely separate descendants of his sons (given enough individuals with the appropriate lineages test).

Sources

  1. 1.00 1.01 1.02 1.03 1.04 1.05 1.06 1.07 1.08 1.09 1.10 1.11 1.12 1.13 1.14 1.15 1.16 1.17 1.18 1.19 1.20 1.21 1.22 1.23 1.24 1.25 1.26 1.27 1.28 1.29 1.30 1.31 1.32 1.33 1.34 1.35 1.36 1.37 1.38 1.39 1.40 1.41 1.42 1.43 1.44 1.45 1.46 1.47 Esther Littleford Woodworth-Barnes, comp., and Alicia Crane Williams, ed. Mayflower Families through Five Generations. Vol. 16, part 1 of 3. General Society of Mayflower Descendants, 1999, pages 1-13, 20-22: John Alden and Priscilla Mullins. Source not available online - checked 4/12/22 by Thiessen-117.
  2. 2.0 2.1 Eugene Aubrey Stratton, FASG. Plymouth Colony: Its History & People. Provo, Utah: The Generations Network, Inc., 1986, pp. 232-233, 331. Source not available online - checked 4/12/22 by Thiessen-117.
  3. Alicia Crane Williams, "John Alden: Theories on English Ancestry," in The Mayflower Descendant , 39: 111-22 (1989), 40: 133-26 (1990), 41: 201 (1991). Available on AmericanAncestors.org (with subscription).
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 Caleb Johnson's Mayflower History: John Alden
  5. 5.00 5.01 5.02 5.03 5.04 5.05 5.06 5.07 5.08 5.09 5.10 5.11 5.12 5.13 5.14 5.15 5.16 5.17 5.18 5.19 5.20 5.21 5.22 5.23 Robert Charles Anderson. The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633. Vol. I. Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1995, pp. 21-26. Online at AmericanAncestors.org (with subscription): John Alden.
  6. Plymouth Colony Records ("PCR"), 7:256. Archive.org
  7. Thomas Prince. A Chronological History of New-England. Boston: N.E., Printed by Kneeland & Green, 1736, p. 73, 84-86. Archive.org.
  8. Thomas Prince. A Chronological History of New-England. New edition. Boston: Cummings, Hilliard, and Co., 1826, p. 190. Archive.org.
  9. PCR 2:177
  10. A short history of the Alden property written by Curator James W. Baker and published by the Alden Kindred of America HERE (.pdf). It is a revised version of what was published in Alden House History: A Work in Progress (Duxbury, 2006).
  11. PCR 1:3.
  12. PCR 1:52
  13. Diary of Samuel Sewall, 1674-1729, vol. 1. Boston: Massachusetts Historical Society, 1878, p. 190. Archive.org.
  14. 14.0 14.1 Estate Inventory of John Alden, transcription.
  15. "Plymouth County Probate Records", in The Genealogical Advertiser. Cambridge, MA: Lucy Hall Greenlaw, March 1898. Vol. 1, no. 1, p. 18. Google Books: #10.
  16. "Massachusetts, Plymouth County, Probate Records, 1633-1967," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-897D-J8KC : 20 May 2014), Probate records 1686-1702 and 1849-1867 vol 1-1F > image 12 of 490; State Archives, Boston.
  17. George Ernest Bowman. "John Aldens' Inventory and the Settlement of His Estate." in The Mayflower Descendant 3:10-11. AmericanAncestors.org (with subscription): cites Plymouth County Probate Records, Volume I pages 10 & 16
  18. "Massachusetts, Plymouth County, Probate Records, 1633-1967," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-997D-J875 : 16 March 2023), Probate records 1686-1702 and 1849-1867 vol 1-1F > image 15 of 490; State Archives, Boston.
  19. Find a Grave, database and images (accessed 9 April 2022), memorial page for John Alden Sr. (1598–12 Sep 1687), Find A Grave: Memorial #15, citing Standish Burial Ground, Duxbury, Plymouth County, Massachusetts, USA; Maintained by Find a Grave: photographs of markers erected in 1930 by Alden Kindred of America
  20. 20.0 20.1 William Bradford. History of Plymouth Plantation, vol. 2. Boston: The Massachusetts Historical Society, 1912, page 406. Archive.org
  21. Timothy Alden. A Collection of American Epitaphs and Inscriptions with Occasional Notes, Vol. 3. New York: S. Marks, 1814, pages 264-266. Google Books.
  22. SAAM: https://americanart.si.edu/artwork/why-dont-you-speak-yourself-john-21162
  23. Alden Kindred of America website
  24. Robert C. Anderson. The Pilgrim Migration: Immigrants to Plymouth Colony, 1620-1633. Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2004, pp.17-23: John Alden. Not available online - checked 4/12/22 by Thiessen-117
  25. MayflowerDNA.org wiki profile for John Alden

See also:

  • Alden, Ebenezer. Memorial of the Descendants of the Hon. John Alden Randolph, MA: Samuel P. Brown, 1867. Archive.org.
  • Andrews, Charles M. The Colonial Period of American History: The Settlement, Volume 1. Simon Publications, 2001, pp. 269-270. Not available online.
  • Baker, James W. Alden House History: A Work in Progress. 2014. Not available online.
  • Banks, Charles Edward. The English Ancestry and Homes of the Pilgrim Fathers Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc. 1976, pp. 27-28. HathiTrust.
  • Bowman, George Ernest. The Mayflower Reader. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1978. Not available online.
  • Fielding, Harriet Chapin. The Ancestors and Descendants of Isaac Alden and Irene Smith, His Wife. 1903, pp. 7-8. Google Books.
  • Landis, John T. Mayflower Descendants and Their Marriages for Two Generations after the Landing. Baltimore, MD: Southern Book Co., 1956. Not available online.
  • Pope, Charles Henry. The Pioneers of Massachusetts, a descriptive list, drawn from records of the colonies, towns and churches and other contemporaneous documents. Boston: C.H. Pope, 1900, p. 12. Archive.org
  • Thayer, Elisha. Genealogy of Fourteen Families of the Early Settlers of New England. Hingham: J. Farmer, 1835, p. 9. Google Books.
  • Willison, George F. Saints and Strangers. New York: Reynal & Hitchcock, 1943. Not available online




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Jonathan Alden built a house 3 years after he was dead?
posted by M Smith
John died 12 Sep 1687, the original house is said to have been built about 1632, but no longer exists. [Edited to add:] I see now you're refering to the son's house. The second house is said to have been built *about* 1700. So, yes, that could be seen as a discrepancy.
posted by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
edited by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
I've updated that paragraph based on the Alden site's info.
posted by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
edited by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
Hello Profile Managers!

We are featuring this profile in the Connection Finder this week. Between now and Wednesday is a good time to take a look at the sources and biography to see if there are updates and improvements that need made, especially those that will bring it up to WikiTree Style Guide standards. We know it's short notice, so don't fret too much. Just do what you can.

Thanks!

Abby

posted by Abby (Brown) Glann
Hello All,

For the past few weeks I have been working on a WikiTree profile for John Alden, grocer of London (abt. 1535-bef. 1609) who was an international shipping merchant between Antwerp and Billingsgate, London. This John Alden's son, John Alden (1578-abt. 1675), was a lawyer at The Middle Temple, and whose coat of arms is documented. While these men don't appear to be close relatives of John Alden of Plymouth, there may be a connection since members of these families had the unusual occupation of international shipping merchant. Plymouth John Alden's son John Alden (abt. 1626-1702) lived in Boston and shipped goods between England, Virginia, Nova Scotia, and Bermuda. Another potentially related John Alden was John Alden of Harwich, who was documented as trading on ships from England to Spain between 1568 and 1587. See "John Alden Parentage Possibilities" for information on Harwich John Alden:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:John_Alden_Parentage_Possibilities

Grocer John Alden of London owned ancestral property in Boltolph Lane, Billingsgate that was inherited by his son. Billingsgate was a wharf on the Thames River used by grocers and other traders in foodstuffs. In my research, I discovered that a medieval grocer and international shipping merchant named John Walden, acquired an interest in a house on Botolph Lane, Billingsgate in 1443, and that same property appears to have descended to John Alden, grocer, and then to his son the attorney at The Middle Temple. Medieval grocer John Walden is surprisingly well-documented, although there is no WikiTree profile for him. I have included some of his references here:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Alden-3675

London and Botolph Lane appear to be at the center of a shipping dynasty of John Aldens that began in the middle ages. Perhaps medieval John Walden, grocer of London is a new lead for establishing connections between the shipping merchants named John Alden.

Best regards,

Joel

posted by Joel Lefever
Bobbie, Anne & Co.,

Do we need this notice at the top of the profile? "NOTE: UNTIL DEFINITIVE PROOF IS FOUND, PLEASE DO NOT ADD PARENTS TO THIS PROFILE."

If so, one of us could propose creating a Research Note Box for it. The note is serving the purpose of an RNB but an RNB would be better because it's highlighted and standardized.

On the other hand, an RNB needs to be of relevance to non-members: "They are for information that's deemed so important that anyone who sees the profile should see the research note, even if the viewing user is not a WikiTree member. If the research note is primarily of interest to WikiTree members who are working on the profile, a public comment on the profile and/or in the Research Notes section of the narrative is sufficient."

Non-members see "Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]". Members see the more inviting and misleading "Son of [father?] and [mother?]." However, since the profile is project-protected, only Project Leaders, Project Coordinators, and Profile Managers can add parents. They can probably be trusted to look at Research Notes.

By the way, we do have an Uncertain Family RNB but that wouldn't suit the purpose here because it's for when parents are known but they are "so uncertain that it borders on speculation." Here I think we'd be proposing something like "Unknown Family". If you want me to propose that in G2G, let me know.

Cheers,

Chris

posted by Chris Whitten
edited by Chris Whitten
This type of note tends to get put on profiles where there is a very common error in print or is very pervasive on the internet, which has been disputed or, more commonly, outright disproved. People keep adding back disproved parents as they have sources and are confident in the accuracy. An Uncertain Family RNB is certainly not a strong enough warning. Though, this is much less of a problem since the advent of Project Protection to actively prevent false parents from being added.
posted by Joe Cochoit
I very much like the idea of a standardized RNB for this sort of situation, and there are certainly *many* early New England immigrants that have the same issue, especially in the Mayflower and PGM projects. I'd be quite pleased to see one developed. I'm certainly open to suggestions.
posted by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
FamilySearch has recently added a similar flagging mechanism. They call it "alerts". One example is https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LYFY-3XY

A new type of Research Note Box would be useful.

posted by Doug McCallum UE
Thanks, Joe and Bobbie. That's very interesting about the FS alert, Doug.

I'm working on a G2G post proposing something like "Unknown Parents" for when there are disproven or competing theories.

posted by Chris Whitten
I found a record ,don't know if it is him or not?
  • John Alden
  • Christening: Oct. 10,1596
  • Bocking,Essex,England
  • Father, George Alden


"England, Essex Parish Registers, 1538-1997," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XKZG-6NY : 12 February 2018), John Alden, 10 Oct 1596, Christening; citing Bocking, Essex, England, Essex Record Office, England; FHL microfilm 1,471,886.

posted by Teresa Davis
It's possible, but a connection between John of Bocking & John of the Mayflower would need to be found. There's some additional research here on the free space page: John Alden Parentage Possibilities
posted by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
This bio could use some reorganizing, headings added and more inline citations, imo. Mayflower Project, would you be ok with me taking this on?
posted by Traci Thiessen
edited by Traci Thiessen
Yes, please Traci. Thank you. Do you have access to the latest (2002) "Silver Book" for Alden?
posted by Anne B
No, unfortunately I don't. I will need that first and I'll have to go to the library, so it might be a few days before I get to it..
posted by Traci Thiessen
DONE!

P.S. I bought the Silver Book vol 16 part 1 if anyone ever needs a lookup. :-)

posted by Traci Thiessen
Wonderful job, Traci. It was long overdue. Thank you.
posted by Anne B
edited by Anne B
This biography reads strangely, because John Alden was clearly a member of the crew of the Mayflower and not a passenger. He presumably worked his passage, because having a cooper would be essential for the colony. I must do more research, but I assume that Priscilla Mullins left the same number of descendants as John. It is interesting because she was born in my home town, and I wonder approximately how many descendants the couple currently have in total.
posted by Stephen Adey
Hi Stephen, We've got one of our best people working on it. See the comment above yours.
posted by Anne B
Isaac, that's a good idea. Especially for huge, frequently visited profiles like this one.
posted by Mary (Moberly) Koeven
Proper link to the space page mentioned below
posted by Anne B
Thanks for a well-written, and well-sourced profile. And especially for not adding parents, until we're sure.

Mary, "Family Mysteries" work-space off major profiles sounds like a good idea that could scale. Perhaps it would be interesting to refactor LOTS of WIP-research notes, and unproven claims & post-merge conflicts OFF our live profiles; into a linked sandbox. Not just for this Alden, but for a zillion folks. That way, our readers could read cleaner profiles when they visit our site, while our members keep working on history's mysteries, behind the scenes...

posted by Isaac Taylor
I created the page at John Alden Parentage Possibilities. Feel free to help expand it.
posted by Mary (Moberly) Koeven
As I have already mentioned to Mary, I think it's a good idea.
posted by Anne B
I am thinking about creating a "Family Mysteries Page" describing the various origin/parentage theories for John Alden, and putting a link to it on this profile. Would anyone else be on board with that?
posted by Mary (Moberly) Koeven