In 1086, when Domesday Book was made, Swein (Suuen) the son of Ailric was already lands in Yorkshire while his father Alric was still alive. Both of them were tenants of Ilbert de Lacy, a Frenchmen, but they were English and it seems at least Alric had been lord of some of Ilbert's lands before the invasion of 1066. There was also a Swein holding land already in 1066, which might be the same person (or a relative).[1]Hugh Thomas however believes this is unlikely to be the same person, because the son of Alric lived into the time of Henry I.[2]
The holdings of a Swein, possibly this one, in 1086:
Farrer noted:[3]
Hugh Thomas wrote:[2]
A portion of Wennington, Farleton and Tunstall, formed the estate of Swain fitz Alreic, together with other large estates in Cumberland and Yorkshire, presumably by grant from Henry I. He was a benefactor to the Priories of Pontefract and Nostel, and died before 1130, at which date his widow had been married to Hervey de Veceio [Pipe Rolls, 32 Henry I]. His son and heir was Adam Fitz Swain, who founded the Priory of monk-Bretton, and died before 1159 [Pipe Roll, 5 Henry II].
Swein inherited the above possessions from Ailric and made a donation to the monks of St. John the Evangelist of Pontefract of the church of Silkstone, together with the chapel (capella) of Cawthorne. The original grant of this church is set out below in a shorter version from the chartulary of Pontefract.
When Adam the son of Swein was in possession, the monks obtained from him an explanatory and confirmatory charter.
Hunter constantly puzzles us. His scholarship is superb but he constantly misses important issues or contradicts himself. In the same section, he says that there was no male issue from Adam fitz Swein -whom he never calls “de Bretton” - and says the male line dies with him. This is contradicted by Hunter himself when he states, In “South Yorkshire: The History and Topography of the Deanery of Doncaster Volume II, 1831 - under the heading ‘ The Priory of Mary Magdalene de Lunda : Volgo Burton Abbey’ that Adam’s sons and grandsons witness the deeds of Monk Bretton Priory, signed both at Bretton and in Cumberland. He names them as Alexander and Richard (who he says must be his sons-in-law - although the names of his sons in law were Adam and William - and Alan de Bretton, and his brothers Adam and Richard, who were in fact Adam Fitz Swein de Bretton’s grandsons.) He also confuses Bretton with Monk Bretton although Monk Bretton was clearly known in the 12th Century as “Britton
Swein de Bretton, son of Ulkile de Bretton (Ulfkettil in another record) is probably the same person. (Whilst these names would confirm a Saxon origin for the Brettons, Swein had a brother, Henry, which is a Norman name and at least 5 sons, Hugh, Robert, William, Henry and John.
Many ancestry trees have Swaine (or Swein) as the son of Alaric, born c1095 in Silkstone, Yorkshire, died c1130 in Silkstone. They all have variations of the same father, wife and children, which generally agree with this profile. However, this profile has his wife as Aubry Vescy, while most of the Ancestry trees have it as Mathilda Vesci.
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2. The wife's family is insane and the text on this page contradicts it. Do we disconnect her, or do we disconnect her "father"?