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John Alston (abt. 1670 - bef. 1719)

John Alston
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NOTE: John Alston is listed as a Gateway Ancestor in Richardson's "List of Colonial Immigrants" in both Magna Carta Ancestry and Royal Ancestry. On WikiTree, this profile was previously the gateway in trails to several surety barons. However, as there is not enough evidence to support the connection between John and his previously-shown father, William, the relationship was severed and the Magna Carta trail was removed. See research notes below for more information.

Conflation warning: This profile represents John Alston of South Carolina. The profile of John Alston of North Carolina can be seen HERE. See research note below for other profiles that may be conflated with this one.

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Biography

John Alston was the son of William Alston of Hammersmith, Middlesex. His date and place of birth are not known but the year if his apprenticeship suggests he was born by 1670.

John was apprenticed in 1682 to James Jones of Charleston, South Carolina, merchant, and subsequently immigrated to America. Indenture as follows:

"This Indenture Witnesseth that John Alston the sonne of William Alston of Hamersmith in the County of Midlelxex gent doth put him selfe apprentice to James Jones of the County of Carolina merchant to Learne and follow his Art with him after the manner of an apprentice & to serve him his sd master the full end & terme of Seaven yeares from the day of the date hereof dureing wch sd Terme he the Aforesd James Jones doth hereby covenant to finde unto his said Apprentice meate, drinke, apparell Lodgeing and all other necessaryes which shall be needfull and convenient for him provided neverthelesse and it is hereby further Agreed by and between the said James Jones and the Aforesaid William Alston ffather of the said John that if the sd. William Alston shall at any tyme or tymes hereafter cause to require or call home to him his sd. sone within the aforesd. Terme of seaven yeares and before that time be compleated he the sd. James Jones doth hereby covenant and Oblige himselfe to returne him Carefully if alive; The said William defraying the money due for his passsage into England and returne In Wittness whereof the pties above named to these prsent Indentures have put their hands and scales Interchangeably this sixteenth day of May Anno Dni 1682."[1]

In February 1690/1 John, then a merchant himself, went back to England temporarily, leaving his power of attorney to James Jones in Carolina.[1]

He later settled at St. John's, Berkeley County, South Carolina.[2][3]

Richardson does not mention a spouse or issue for this John Alston;[2] Gary Boyd Roberts gives John's wife as "Mrs. Elizabeth Turgis Harris", but lists no children.[4] A.S. Salley states that John Alston married Mrs. Elizabeth Harris, widow of John Harris after 8 February 1693, when John Harris made his will, and before 13 August 1695 when, Francis Turgis, Esq., was a surety on the bond for his sister "Elizabeth Harris alias Alston" as executrix of John Harris' estate.[1] They had the following children:

  • John, died in 1750; married first Deborah _____ and second to Mrs. Sarah Belin; left issue[1]
  • William, married Esther LaBruce and had issue[1]
  • Elizabeth, married Joseph LaBruce and had issue[1]
  • Mary, married Joseph Warnock and had issue[1]
  • Peter, died April 1748; married Sarah Torquet and had issue[1]
  • Thomasin, married Abraham Warnock[1]

John left a will dated 2 January 1718[2] and proved 30 November 1719. The will named all children listed above.[1]

Research Notes

Parents

WikiTree formerly showed the John Alston of this profile, who emigrated to South Carolina, as son of William Alston (son of John Alston-56 and Dorothy Temple) and his wife Dorothy Brooke. There has been some debate about this line of ancestry.

  • It has been raised at least twice in the genealogy newsgroup soc.genealogy.medieval.[5][6]
  • David Faris says that the John baptised in 1668/9 was "probably" the John who emigrated to South Carolina.[7]
  • In March 2015 Forest King wrote that "Some claim that [the John Alston baptised in 1668/9] is the John Alston of South Carolina including having a child named Tomasine", indicating doubt.[8]
  • Cresswell's Stemmata Alstoniana, table 20 on page 19,[9] gives the children of John Alston-56 by Dorothy Temple. The entry for their son William Alston states that he married _____, daughter of _______ Brooks and d.s.p. (without children). That is incorrect - there are baptism records for children of William and his wife Thomasin, including a son called John.[10] On page 400, Cresswell indicates the possibility that William/Dorothy may be John's parents, but expresses doubt in the absence of prima facie evidence.[11]
  • The entry on TheKingsCandlesticks website for the John Alston who emigrated to South Carolina leaves the question open.[12]

The debate turns essentially on whether, as Douglas Richardson presumes,[2][3] the William Alston of Hammersmith, Middlesex (named in indenture as father of the John Alston who emigrated to South Carolina) is the same as William Alston of Pavenham, Bedfordshire (named on the 1668/9 baptism record), son of John Alston-56 and Dorothy Temple. There is no reliable evidence:

  • William son of John Alston-56 was admitted to St John's College, Cambridge, age 16, in 1654, and to Inner Temple the same year, going on to qualify as a barrister in 1662.[13][14]
  • it is possible, as stated in 2006 on soc.genealogy.medieval, that William, practising as a barrister, had a residence in Hammersmith, but there is no evidence for this - it is just speculation[5] and William's children were baptised in Bedfordshire.[10]

Disambiguation: other John Alstons

The profile of John Alston of North Carolina can be seen HERE. His parents are currently set as Solomon Alston and Mary Pashfield, but those are also disputed.

John Alston-56 and Dorothy Temple had two grandsons named John Alston (John and Dorothy were previously attached to this profile as grandparents, but the connection was removed due to lack of support):

  • One of them was baptized at Pavenham and is the son of William Alston of Pavenham and Thomasine Brooke (this John currently has no WikiTree profile)
  • The other, John Alston, was baptized at Felmersham, Bedfordshire 31 December 1673 with his parents named as John and Ann.[15] David Faris says that he may have been the settler of that name in Chowan County, North Carolina.[7] The John Alston of Chowan County has a profile here and is shown on WikiTree as belonging to a different Alston family, with parents Solomon Alston and Mary Pasfield: evidence for this is on TheKingsCandlesticks website.[8]

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 1.7 1.8 1.9 A. S. Salley, Jr. "John Alston" in The South Carolina Historical (and Genealogical) Magazine. Vol. 6, No. 3. South Carolina Historical Society, July 1905, pp. 114-116. JSTOR.
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham. (Salt Lake City, UT: the author, 2013), vol. V, page 139, TEMPLE 18.ii (fn. 9).
  3. 3.0 3.1 Douglas Richardson. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 4 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham. 2nd edition. (Salt Lake City, UT: the author, 2011), vol. III, page 230, NELSON 17.ii. (fn. 130). Google Books
  4. Gary Boyd Roberts. The Royal Descents of 600 Immigrants. Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2004, pp. 184-185. Ancestry Sharing Link
  5. 5.0 5.1 "Some criticism of the claimed Alston line to South Carolina", 2006 discussion in soc.genealogy.medieval newsgroup
  6. "More on William Alston, gent., supposed father of John Alston of South Carolina", 2021 discussion in soc.genealogy.medieval newsgroup
  7. 7.0 7.1 David Faris. Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists. Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1996, p. 202 (Nelson). Ancestry.com.
  8. 8.0 8.1 Edward L Fenn. 'Col John ALSTON of Wethersfield ESS & Nth Carolina America', TheKingsCandlesticks, accessed 16 July 2022
  9. Lionel Cresswell. Stemmata Alstoniana. London, England: 1898, pp. 19 (table 20), Ancestry.co.uk
  10. 10.0 10.1 Bedfordshire Parish Registers, vol. XI. Bedford: County Records Office, 1935, p. B6 (Pavenham Baps. 1666-1682). Archive.org
  11. Lionel Cresswell. Stemmata Alstoniana. London, England: 1898, p. 400 (discussion of parentage). Online PDF at TheKingsCandlesticks.com
  12. Edward L Fenn. 'John ALSTON [15899]', TheKingsCandlesticks, accessed 16 July 12022
  13. J A Venn. Alumni Cantabrigienses, part 1 vol. 1. London: Cambridge University Press, 1922, p. 25. Archive.org
  14. Calendar of Inner Temple Records, vol 3 (1660-1714), p. 9, PDF and Internet Archive
  15. "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:2:9MHT-PK7B : 18 September 2020), Entry for John Alston, 1673.
  • South Carolina Magazine of Ancestral Research 34 (2006): 63-68 (cited by Richardson, not available online)
  • Landed Families blog, see: Alston, John (c.1614-87), of Pavenham Bury.




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Allston-106 and Alston-247 appear to represent the same person because: Obvious duplicate; same spouse and children; same life-dates. Next generation changed spelling to ALSTON.
posted by Carole (Kirch) Bannes
Thanks, I have approved the merge on behalf of the Magna Carta Project.
posted by Michael Cayley
... and it has now been completed.
posted by Michael Cayley
In regard to merging John Alston-247 and John Allston-8, it seems clear to me that the John Alston who died in South Carolina in 1718 or 1719 (as shown on both profiles) was the John Alston who was an apprentice in Charles Town in 1682, the son of William Alston of Hammersmith, Middlesex, as is stated in the apprenticeship document cited by A. S. Salley in “John Alston.” The South Carolina Historical and Genealogical Magazine 6, no. 3 (1905): 114–16. http://www.jstor.org/stable/27575103 Alexander Salley was an expert on South Carolina history, the head of both the SC Historical Society and the SC Historical Commission (the forerunner of the State Archives.). He clearly identifies this John Alston as the merchant who called himself “of Berkeley County” in 1690/1, who married Elizabeth Harris (born Turgis) before 1695, and who wrote a Will 2 Jan 1718 [1719 ns], proved 19 November 1719. His Will identifies him as of St. John Berkeley and names children John, William, Elizabeth, Mary, Peter, and Thomasin. Salley also notes that Groves’ book The Alstons and Allstons of North and South Carolina contains inaccurate guesswork regarding the arrival of Alston in SC.

Allston-8 does not name parents for John, while Alston-247 calls him son of William Alston-84 and Thomasine Brooke-2244. Douglas Richardson’s books (cited in Alston-247) support the identification of John of SC as their son. There is also a discussion of that issue at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/Jp3SZ7XtWNY/m/aHvkxvSTBgAJ The Bedfordshire Archives has a copy of the Will of William Alston dated 1707 pr 1709, which might prove useful.

My inclination would be to edit Allston-8 to move the info under Biography into Research Notes and write a properly sourced Biography. Unless a source for the exact death date and place can be found, I would change that to match the Will, either about 1719 or before 19 November 1719. Once that was done, the issue of whether to merge the two profiles could be raised again under Alston-247, which is Project Protected.

posted on Allston-8 (merged) by Mary Morgan
Traci Thiessen and I have done a lot of work on the bio, and the merge has now been completed. There are a load of uncertainties which are set out on the profile.
posted by Michael Cayley
I see that a merge between Alston-247 and Allston-8 was rejected. Is there an interest in revisiting this merge? The biography of Alston-247 is consistent with the sources of Allston-8, and it appears that a 2017 discovery http://www.ncgenweb.us/ncwarren/fam-hist/ALSTON_FAMILY/alston-research.htm has not yet been introduced to either profile.
posted by Betty (Skelton) Norman
Hi Betty. I may be being stupid, which is far from unknown, but I am not sure of the relevance of the webpage you refer to, and the article it links to, to this profile or to Allston-8. It touches on the origins of a different and slightly later John Alston, who has a profile at https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Alston-54.

As things stand, the Allston-8 profile should not be merged into this profile, there are far too many uncertainties.

posted by Michael Cayley
edited by Michael Cayley
which source listed has birth 1660?

The John Alston with the 1718/9 will, married widow Elizabeth Harris, was born 1666, according to Cresswell's Stemmata Alstoniana (pages 341-342).

http://www.thekingscandlesticks.com/index_htm_files/Stemmata%20Alstoniana.pdf

p 342 lists children from that will, which include Peter & Tomassin.

posted on Allston-49 (merged) by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
I've done a bit of looking around at sources listed in attached profiles. I'm thinking that Richardson's footnote saying William Alston-84 was "of Middlesex" and his son John was apprenticed in 1682 to James Jones may be inaccurate. The compilation of parish records for Bedfordshire indicates there's room for confusion (see Research Notes on Alston-84 (profile attached as father).
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
pp 88-89 in the pdf have the 1749 will abstract for Peter, but I can find nothing that says who his father might be.

I'm not finding any support for a John born 1660, son of the William who is attached as father - Alston-84 - and will detach this profile from Alston-84.

If you have reliable sources to add, please do!

Thanks, Liz

posted on Allston-49 (merged) by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
found the cited source: online... see page 578 (of 585). Says Capt. Samuel Bacot m Sarah Margaret Allston, sister of Peter Allston, Jr./daughter of Peter Allston, Sr.

(either Capt Bacot or Sarah was baptized December 1748)

A search of the archive.org version of the source (here) did not find any Tungis. However, a search of Bacot found that Peter d 1749 married Sarah Bacot and their son Peter Jr. married Mary Bacot (with an abstract of the 1749 will).

posted on Allston-49 (merged) by Liz (Noland) Shifflett

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