Tudur ap Gronwy (abt. 1300 - 1367)

Born about 1300 in Penmynydd, Anglesey, Wales

Ancestors

Husband of Mallt ferch Madog — married about 1315 in Wales

Husband of Margred ferch Thomas — married about 1359 in Wales

Descendants

Died 1367 at about age 67 in Friars Chapel, Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales

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Biography

Name

• Tudur ap Gronwy ^[1]
• Tudur ap Goronwy</b> (d.1367) was a Welsh nobleman and a member of the Tudor House of Penmynydd.
• Tudur ap Gronwy ap Tudur ap Gronwy, who died in 1367, ^[2]
• Tudor Fychan Ap Goronwy, Lord of Pemmynydd.
• Tudur Fychan ap Gronwy Fychan and Mallt verch Madog ^[3]
• He is also called Tudor Vychan Ap Goronwy

Parents

His father was Gronwy ap Tudur Hen, born, say, 1275. His mother was Gwerful ferch Madog, born, say, 1275.

1300 Birth Year Estimation

Wikipedia places his birth as about 1310 in Pemnynydd, Wales. ^[4] WolCott places the birth of Tudor ap Gronwy Fychan ap Gronwy as about 1332. ^[1] However, 1332 would place the parents' birth year after that of the child. Furthermore, Gronwy, Tudur's father, is estimated to have been born 1275. Gronwy's daughter Gwerful has has been placed at 1285, so that leaves 1300 as the best estimate.

1315 First Marriage: Mallt ferch Madog

Tudur married first Mallt ferch Madog ab Iorwerth ap Madog ap Rhirid Flaidd. ^[2]

For the sake of estimation, assume that Tudur married at age 20, or, say, 1320. Boyer records at least 7 children, so assume for the sake of estimation that they were born at two year intervals, 1321, 23,25,27,29,31,33, and that Mallt died in the year 1334 in childbirth.

1334 Second Marriage: Marged ferch Thomas

Boyer states that Tudur married second Margaret ferch Thomas ap llywelyn ab Owain ap Maredudd.^[2]

He married Marged ferch Thomas ap Llewelyn of Ceredigion, a lady born c. 1340 [26] ^[1]

For the sake of estimation, assume that this marriage took place a year after the death of Mallt, or, say, 1334.

Tudur's relationship to CD33~Margaret can be seen on this chart.

Marged had a sister Elen, born c. 1335, who married Gruffudd Fychan ap Gruffudd ap Madog Crupl and was the mother of Owain Glyndwr. The sons of Tudor ap Gronwy Fychan were thus first-cousins of Glyndwr and supporters of his rebellion. ^[1]

Reitwiesner notes that by his second wife, Margred ferch Thomas ap Llywelyn ab Owain, Tudur ap Gronwy ap Tudur had a son, Maredudd ap Tudur ap Gronwy, who was the father of Owain ap Maredudd ap Tudur (d. 1461), Clerk of the Wardrobe of Queen Catherine, widow of King Henry V.^[5]

Land Holdings

Tudur's land holdings included Trecastell, and half of Penmynydd in Anglesey, as well as lands in Caernarvonshire and Cardiganshire. The family lost lands as a result of its support of Owain Glyndwr. ^[2]

1367 Death

Tudur ap Gronwy died in 1367. ^[2].

Wikipedia states that Tudur's death, while stated as 1367, could be 1311 This date has him a Tudur Hen or Tudur ap Goronwy d. 1311^[4][6]

Issue

Assuming the correctness of Wolcott's estimate of Tudur's birth about 1332, assume his marriage no earlier than age 18 and his children born no earlier than 1351.

Tudur's sons Gronwy, Rhys and Gwilym were in the personal following of King Richard II of England ^[2].

Children of Tudur and his first wife Mallt, listed by Bartrum

1. Gronwy ap Tudur Fychan, of Penmynydd; ^[3] Son of Tudur and his first wife Mallt. ^[2]. Gronw, or Gronwy, one of his younger sons had Trecastell for his portion. ^[7] Gronw Vychan, the eldest, was in favour with the Black Prince and with Richard II. He was forester of Snowdon and steward of the bishop of Bangor's lordship in Anglesey. He died in 1382, an infant son being heir to his lands in Penmynydd, whose sister carried them to her husband Gwylym ap Gryffydd of Penrhyn. Gronw Vychan, whom a bard calls a pillar of the court the ardent pursuer of France, was probably the warrior whose effigy remains in the church at Penmynydd.^[7]
   1. Tudor, son of Gronw, who lived to be called Tudor Hen or the old Tudor founded the Carmelite friary in Bangor and was grandfather of Tudor Vychan ap Gronw of Trecastell, who is said to have assumed the style of a knight, and to have had that rank confirmed to him by Edward III. ^[7] Tudur ap Goronwy (died 1367) was a Welsh nobleman and a member of the Tudor House of Penmynydd. His son Maredudd ap Tudur (d. 1406) was father of Owen Tudor. ^[8]
2. Angharad verch Tudur; ^[3]Angharad ferch Tudor ap Gronwy married Tudor ap Hywel ap Tudor ap Gruffudd descended from Llywarch ap Bran. ^[9] Angharad ferch Tudor and Marged ap Tudor were the daughters of Tudor ap Gronwy, and were born c. 1330x1340. ^[1] Daughter of Tudur and his first wife Mallt. ^[2].
3. Angharad (second of the name, apparently) married Tudur ap Hywel ap Coedan. Daughter of Tudur and his first wife Mallt. ^[2].
4. Rhys ap Tudur Fychan ^[3] Rhys of Erddrfeiniog, executed 1412. m. Efa ferch Gruffudd Goch ab Adda o'r Cloddie. Son of Tudur and his first wife Mallt. ^[2] Rhys ap Tudur (d. 1409) and Gwilym ap Tudur (d. 1413) were important players in the uprising of Owain Glyndŵr, their first cousin. ^[8] Gwylym and Rhys served Richard II as captains of archers. ^[7]
5. Marged ferch Tudor and Angharad verch Tudur were the daughters of Tudor ap Gronwy, and were born c. 1330x1340. ^[1] Currently shown as born 1330. Margred, m. Madog Fychan ap Madog Foel of Eglwysegl ab Ieuaf. Daughter of Tudur and his first wife Mallt. ^[2].
6. Ednyfed Fychan (The Younger) ap Tudur ^[3]Son of Tudur and his first wife Mallt. ^[2]
7. Gwilym ap Tudur Fychan, of Clorach; ^[3] Gwilym of Clorachon of Tudur and his first wife Mallt. ^[2] His other two sons, Rhys ap Tudur (d. 1409) and Gwilym ap Tudur (d. 1413) were important players in the uprising of Owain Glyndŵr, their first cousin. ^[8] Gwylym and Rhys served Richard II as captains of archers. ^[7]

Mother Unknown

1. Gwenhwyfar. Daughter of Tudur and unknown mother. ^[2]

Children by second wife, listed by Bartrum

1. Maredudd, lived 1392-1404. m. Margred ferch Dafydd Fychan of Trefeilir ap Dafydd Llwyd of Conysiog; his son Owain Tudur, b. c. 1400, d. 1461, m. Catherine of Valois, widow of King Henry V of England and had children including Edmund tudur, Earl of Richmond, who m. Magraret Beaufort and had son King Henry VII of England.^[2]
2. Rhys Mawddwy, d. 1412. ^[2] His son Maredudd ap Tudur (d. 1406) was father of Owen Tudor. Meredydd ap Tudor, escheator of Anglesey in 1392, and like Gronw an officer of the household of the bishop of Bangor is said to have slain a man and fled to the wild country about Snowdon. He was the father of Owen ap Meredydd, commonly called Owen Tudor, a squire who appears at the court of the infant king Henry VI. By all accounts he was a goodly young man: the chroniclers dwell upon the beauty which attracted the queen mother. She gave the handsome squire a post in her household. About 1428 or 1429, it must have been common knowledge that the presumptuous Welshman and the daughter of Charles VI of France were living as man and wife. There is no direct evidence for their marriage. An act had but lately been passed for making it a grave offence to marry with the queen dowager without the royal consent: this act is said to have been afterwards cut out from the statute book. Richard III denounced his rival Richmond as the son of a bastard, but it must be remembered that Richard was ready to foul the memory of his own mother in order to say the same of the young Edward V. But no one yet has found time or place of Owen Tudor's marriage with Catherine of France. ^[7]
   1. Five children were born to them the sons being Edmund and Jasper and another son who became a monk. In 1436, a date which suggests that Bedford had been Owen's protector the influence of Gloucester was uppermost. In that year the queen dowager was received within Bermondsey Abbey where she died in the following January. Her children were taken from her, and Owen Tudor the which dwelled with the said queen, was ordered to come into the king's presence. He had already seen the inside of Newgate gaol ,and he would not obey without a safe conduct. When he had the safe conduct sent him he came up from Daventry and went at once to sanctuary at Westminster, whence even the temptations of the tavern would not draw him. Allowed to go back to Wales, he was retaken and lodged again in Newgate. He broke prison again, with his chaplain and his man, the sheriffs of London having a pardon in 1438 for the escape from gaol of Owen ap Tuder, esquire and he returned to his native Wales. When Henry VI came of full age he made some provision for his step father, who took the red rose and fought manfully for it. But Mortimer's Cross was his last battle (Feb 4 1460/1). He fell into the hands of the Yorkists, who beheaded him in Hereford market place and set up his head on the market cross. Thither, they say, came a mad woman who combed the hair and washed the face of this lover of a queen, setting lighted wax torches round about it.^[7]

Appendices

Line of Descent from Tudur to Henry VII

This line of descent is presented by Wolcott: ^[1]

1. Tudor Hen ap Gronwy 1250- 1312
2. 1300 Gronwy Fychan (Goronwy ap Tudor Hen) 1275-1338
3. 1330 Tudor Vychan ap Goronwy 1311-1367 = Tudur ap Gronwy ap Tudur ap Gronwy. ^[2]
4. 1370 Maredudd ap Tudor (Meredydd Tudor) 1365-1406
5. 1400 Owain Tudor 1397-1461
6. 1430 Edmund Tudor 1430-1456
7. 1457 King Henry VII, 1457-1509

Ancestor of House of Tudor

The house of Tudor, which gave five sovereigns to England, is derived by all the Welsh genealogists from Ednyfed Vychan of Tregarnedd in Anglesey^[7]

Family Tree Tables

The Connection with Owain Glyndŵr

The House of Tudor

Sources

1. ↑ ^{1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6} Darrell Wolcott. The Welsh Ancestry of the Tudor Dynasty. Accessed November 6, 2017. jhd
2. ↑ ^{2.00 2.01 2.02 2.03 2.04 2.05 2.06 2.07 2.08 2.09 2.10 2.11 2.12 2.13 2.14 2.15 2.16} Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval Welsh Ancestors of Certain Americans. By the author: Santa Clarita, California, 2004. Tudur ap Gronwy ap Tudur ap Gronwy is #24 on page 251.
3. ↑ ^{3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4 3.5} Jason Scott Wills Margred Verch Tudur Last updated July 8, 2017. Accessed November 6, 2017. jhd
4. ↑ ^{4.0 4.1} Wikipedia:Tudor Hen entered by Elizabeth Ross
5. ↑ William Addams Reitwiesner, The Ancestors of Richard Vaughan, Bishop of London (d. 1607): A continuation of the ancestry of Henry Stratton and a plausible continuation of the ancestry of William Addams Reitwiesner, added 2015 March 11, amb
6. ↑ The Peerage http://www.thepeerage.com/p10282.htm#i102815 Other sources Tudor Vychan; entered by Elizabeth Ross
7. ↑ ^{7.0 7.1 7.2 7.3 7.4 7.5 7.6 7.7} Hugh Chisolm, editor Tudor Family The Encyclopædia Britannica; volume 27, page 362. entered 2013-12-09 by amb
8. ↑ ^{8.0 8.1 8.2} I used the wikipedia article on Tudur ap Goronwy to begin my search for sources. entered 2013-12-09 by amb
9. ↑ Pen. 134, 175, cited by Darrell Wolcott. The Welsh Ancestry of the Tudor Dynasty. Accessed November 6, 2017. jhd

See also:

• National Library of Wales
• Tudor Family; edited by Hugh Chisholm. The Encyclopædia Britannica
• Tudur ap Goronwy Wikipedia entry

Acknowledgments

• Elizabeth Ross
• ap Grono-1was created on 12 September 2010 through the import of 104-B.ged.
• Profile adopted by Eowyn in Jul 2013