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Gruffydd ap Nicolas (abt. 1385 - abt. 1461)

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Gruffydd ap Nicolas aka ap Nicholas
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Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died about in Battle of Mortimer's Crossmap
Profile last modified | Created 21 Apr 2015
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Categories: Cymru 742-1535.

Known Sons Himself Parents
Thomas ap Gruffudd
Owain (Owen) ap Gruffudd
John ap Gruffudd
Gruffudd ap Nicolas
b about 1385[1]
Nicholas ap Phylip & Jennet ferch Gruffydd[2][3]

European Aristocracy
Gruffydd ap Nicolas was a member of royalty, nobility or aristocracy in Wales in the Middle Ages.
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Biography

Gruffudd ap Nicolas was probably born about 1393 in Llandeilo Fawr, Maernordeilo, Carmarthenshire, Wales.[4] He is the grandson of Philip ab Elidr Ddu.

"Sir Gruffydd ab Niclas, of Dinefawr, called the 'Eagle of Caermarthen,' ... was the most unflinching and staunchest supporter of the House of York. In more peaceful times he was a great patron of the bards...."[5]

He married Mably ferch Mredydd ap Henri Dwnn,[6] and they had at least one son:[4]

Thomas ap Gruffudd, born about 1425 in Maenordeilo, Cantref Mawr, Carmarthenshire, Wales[4]

Gruffud's known sons:[7]

  • Thomas (by Mabel, daughter of Maredudd Dwnn)
  • John ("...in 1439, and [Gruffud's] son John shared the office with him")
  • Owen ("In 1442-3, ...the Privy Council ordered the arrest of [Gruffud's] son Owen")

It is said that he was thrice married:[8]

  • (1) to Mabel, daughter of Meredith Ap Henry Dwnn,
  • (2) to a daughter of Sir Thomas Perrot, and
  • (3) to Jane, daughter of Jenkin Ap Rhys Ap Dafydd of Gilfach-wen.

Three of his sons have been named, John who disappears early from the records, Owen, heir of Bryn y Beirdd, ... and Thomas, who was slain in a skirmish at Pennal, probably during lord Herbert's expedition into North Wales in 1468. He was the father of Sir Rhys ap Thomas (1449-1525).

Gruffydd ab Niclas married thrice:[9]
  • 1st, Mabli, eldest daughter of Meredydd ab Harri Dwnn of Cydweli and Cwrt Pibwr, after whose death he married,
  • 2ndly, Marged, third dau. of Sir Thomas Perrot, of Haroldston (Tref Harallt), in the county of Pembroke by his wife Alis (Alice) Picton, of Cemmaes, descended from one of the original Knights of the Garter, temp. Edward III. viz., Sir Guy de Bryan, of Llacharn (Laugharne), K.G.,... Alis (Alice) Picton was paternally descended from a younger brother, Phylip, of Sir William Picton, of Picton Castle, Knt.; and,
  • thirdly, Jane, daughter and coheiress to Siencyn ab Rhys, of Gilfach Wen, co. Cardigan, descended from Cadifor ab Dinawol, Lord of Castell Hywel."

"Gruffud ap Nicholas (fl. 1425-1456), an esquire and a leading figure in the local administration of the principality of South Wales in the middle of the 15th cent. Nothing is known of his early years, but it is said that he was the posthumous son of Nicolas ap Phylip ap Syr Elidir Ddu (one of the knights of the Sepulchre) by his wife Jennet, daughter of Gruffydd ap Llewelyn Foethus. ... The first authentic record of him is as holder of the office of king's approver for the lordship and new town of Dynevor in 1425. He was sheriff of Carmarthenshire in 1436. With Edmund Beaufort, parts of the lands of Phillip Clement were demised to him in 1437."[4]

"On the verge of the Wars of the Roses, he was on good terms with the court of Henry VI, and after the Yorkist victory at S Alban's, 1455, he lost some of his offices. ...

"However, he and his sons, Thomas and Owen, were granted general pardons on 26 Oct 1456. His name then disappears from the records. Had he been alive on 1 March 1459 it is difficult to imagine that his name would have been left out of a commission entrusted to his two sons, Thomas and Owen, with Jasper and Owen Tudor. It is, therefore, impossible to accept the reports that he was mortally wounded either at the battle of Wakefield, 1460, or at Mortimer's Cross, 1461."[4]

"Gruffudd's last known act was to make over to his son Owain the castle and lordship of Narberth in February 1460/1,[10] and he is likely to have died soon afterwards (Griffiths,«i» Sir Rhys «/i»p.24).[11]

"Gruffydd ab Niclas, although a follower and staunch adherent of Edward, Earl of March, as he had been of his father the Duke of York, was nevertheless highly complimented in an ode by the bard Lewys Glyn Cothi (vide his work). He was at last slain at the battle of Wakefield on the side of York, leaving a numerous issue by his three wives, ... [Pedigree of the ancient family of Dolau Cothi]..."[12]

Sources

  1. Ancient Wales Studies, accessed May 26, 2015
  2. "said to have been posthumous son of..." (from Janet Ariciu's webpage, John/Jones Family, accessed April 2, 2015)
  3. Nicolas & Jonet (#Bartrum(7))
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 4.4 John/Jones Family, Janet's Genealogy (website by Janet Ariciu, accessed April 2, 2015)
  5. from Janet's page, from John Rowland's "Pedigree of the ancient family of Dolau Cothi (page 10)
  6. Dwnn's Visitations of Wales, page 131, footnote 5, for "Gwladys v Mredydd ap Henri Dwnn" is "Her sister, Mably, was the first wife of her husband's nephew, Gruffydd ap Nicolas, to whom Lewys Glyn Cothi addressed an Ode, in which he styles him "the Eagle of Carmarthen" and mentions his descent from Urien Rheged."
  7. son's names extracted from narrative by Janet Ariciu, John/Jones Family, Janet's Genealogy (accessed April 2, 2015)
  8. from Janet's page, apparently from "Dictionary of Welsh Biography" (p 313)
  9. also from Janet's page, apparently from "Pedigree of the ancient family of Dolau Cothi"
  10. transcription errors arising from confusion in recording dates prior to 1752 from January through March make it possible that this reference to an act in February 1460/1 actually occurred in February 1459, which would be compatible with Janet's conclusion that he died prior to March 1, 1459
  11. from Janet's page, source unclear
  12. from Janet's page, the reference to Gruffud's death that she refers to when she gives information to support her statement that it is "impossible to accept the reports that he was mortally wounded at the battle of Wakefield..."
  • Carl Boyer, 3rd. Medieval Welsh Ancestors of Certain Americans. Santa Clarita, CA: n.p., 2004. [ ] , Page 129
See also:

Acknowledgements

  • Janet Ariciu, whose research of the Awbreys is invaluable. Thank you Janet!!
  • Liz Shifflett
  • Travis Wagner created this profile on Travis Wagner, May 11, 2012 (no sources given).





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Collaboration

On 30 Aug 2018 at 12:43 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

Bartrum's Chart El.G. 54= http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5541/Elystan%20Glodrydd%2054.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

(for mother Jennet, daughter of Gruffydd ap Llewelyn Foethus)

On 26 Apr 2015 at 16:35 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

Ap Nicolas-1 and Nicholas-457 appear to represent the same person because: set to merge again. Wesley, I'll send another trusted list request. Thanks!

On 25 Apr 2015 at 19:19 GMT Wesley Doughman wrote:

Nicholas-457 and Ap Nicolas-1 are not ready to be merged because: I believe this is the same person, but uncertain as to last names during this time period in Wales. So I am leaving it up to Vic Watt or Liz Shiffett to merge.

On 23 Apr 2015 at 03:26 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

I posted messages from Nicholas-457 as a question in G2G - see this discussion.

Cheers, Liz

On 23 Apr 2015 at 03:23 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

p.s. I posted the messages as a question in G2G - see this discussion.

I needed to have a date in the question title & came up with a married circa 1420 guess... based on his 1393 birth year & son "sharing an office" with him in 1439 (assuming son would be at least 18).

On 23 Apr 2015 at 03:07 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

thinking more about it, though... Dwnn wouldn't be a bad choice for her WikiTree ID, if you were planning on changing her LNAB (if I recall, ferch is preferred over verch).

On 22 Apr 2015 at 14:23 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

Actually, don't know about the "usually" - Dwnn's Visitations to Wales has her as daughter of Mredydd ap Henri Dwnn

On 22 Apr 2015 at 05:44 GMT Vic Watt wrote:

OK, now to work on Mabli. She was the daughter of Maredudd Dwnn. So why is she USUALLY called Mabli Dwnn, not Mabli ferch Maredudd? See:

https://histfam.familysearch.org//getperson.php?personIDI9770&treeWelsh

On 22 Apr 2015 at 04:13 GMT Vic Watt wrote:

Ap Nicolas-1 and Nicholas-457 appear to represent the same person because: These are ready to merge now. Thanks.

On 22 Apr 2015 at 04:02 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

neither? ap Nicolas should be protected & this profile merged into it.

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Ap%20Nicolas-1

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