Roger (Arnholt) Arnold (abt. 1442 - abt. 1530)

Born about 1442 in Flanthany Manor, Llanthony, Monmouthshire (Sir Fynwy), Wales

Ancestors

Descendants

Died about 1530 at about age 88 in Monmouthshire (Sir Fynwy), Wales

This person is part of a false pedigree of William Arnold, the immigrant to New England, created by Horatio G. Somerby in 1870. Individual parts of the pedigree may be correct, but many of the parts are incorrect and false.

Somerby Biography

"Roger Arnold, of Llanthony in Monmouthsire, was the first of the family to adopt a surname. He married Joan, daughter of Sir Thomas Gamage, Knight, Lord of Coytey."^[1][2]

Son: Thomas Arnold^[1][2]

Rejection of the Somerby Biography

From Wikipedia:
In 1870, genealogist Horatio G. Somerby compiled a pedigree^[3] of the Arnold family. This pedigree, showed William Arnold as son of a Thomas Arnold and a descendant of a 12th-century King of Gwentland (in modern day Wales) whose name was Ynir. In 1915, Edson S. Jones on checking Somerby's information with his sources, discovered discrepancies in dates and places, mixed up generations and unrelated people. "This fabricated research was not an isolated incident; Mr. Somerby had also been implicated in other fraudulent research and was out to please his clients regardless of the veracity of his work"^[4]

From Anderson's Great Migration:
In 1915 Edson Salisbury Jones published a brief account^[5] of his research into the ancestry of immigrant William Arnold (NEHGR 69:64-69), which showed the problems of the supposed pedigree done by Somerby, which did not have the correct father or location of William Arnold the immigrant. Anderson states unequivocally, "The pedigree prepared by Somerby is completely erroneous, and William Arnold came from Ilchester, Somerset"^[6]

Sources

1. ↑ ^{1.0 1.1} "Arnold" hosted by rootsweb
2. ↑ ^{2.0 2.1} Drowne, Henry T. (communicator). "Mr. Somerby's Genealogy of the Arnold Family" New England Hist. and Gen. Register. 33:432. 1879.
3. ↑ ”Mr. Somerby’s Genealogy of the Arnold Family. New England Historical and Genealogical Register 33:432 Link at Google Books
4. ↑ 'The false pedigree of the Arnold family' in the Wikipedia article "William Arnold (settler)"
5. ↑ Jones, Edson Salisbury. "The Parentage of William Arnold and Thomas Arnold of Providence, R. I." New England Historical and Genealogical Register 69:64 Link at Archive.org
6. ↑ Great Migration 1634-1635, A-B. (Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2008.) Originally published as: The Great Migration, Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635, Volume 1, A-B, by Robert Charles Anderson, George F. Sanborn, Jr., and Melinde Lutz Sanborn. Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999. William Arnold article p. 84; comments p.89 American Ancestors (pay site)

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Previous Bio

(Birth dates vary between 1441-1443)

Roger Arnold, of Llanthony in Monmouthsire (Sir Fynwy), Wales, was the first of the line to use the surname ARNOLD (when King Henry VIII decreed all subjects shall have one).

He married (1) Joan, daughter of Sir Thomas de Gamage, Lord of Coytey [1384-1475] (b. Coity Castle, Bridgend, Glamorganshire, Wales). She was descended from Alfred the Great, King of the Britons, who was born in 849.

Source: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hubbard/NNY_index/arnold.html

He married (2) Matilda DENNIS in 1466, born 1444 in Llananthony, Monmouthshire (Sir Fynwy), Wales, died 1520 in Llanthony, Monmouthshire (Sir Fynwy), Wales.

Previous Bio

About Roger (ap Arnholt) Arnold, of Llanthony:

ROGER ARNOLD according to the pedigree recorded in the College of Arms in England, descended from Ynir, King of Gwentland, who flourished in the 12th Century and who was paternally descended from Ynir, second son of Cadwalader, last king of the Britons. King Cadwalader built Abergavenny, in Monmouthshire, and the castle was afterward rebuilt by Hamlet, son of the duke of Balladon of France. Portions of the wall still remain. Cadwalader, by one account, died at Rome in 688.

Somerby's genealogical researches in England shows that Ynir, King of Gwentland, by his wife, Nesta, daughter of Jestin ap Gurgan, King of Glamorgan, had a son Meiric. The descent, somewhat abbreviated, is as follows: Meric's son was Ynir Vichan, whose son was Carador ap Ynir Vichan, whose son was Dyfnwall ap Carador, whose son was Systyl ap Dyfnwall, whose son was Arthur ap Syssylth, whose son was Meiric ap Arthur, whose son was Gwillim ap Meiric, whose son was Arnholt ap Gwillim, whose son was Arnholt ap Arnholt Vychan, whose son was Roger Arnold of Llanthony in Monmouthshire, the first of the family name to adopt a surname.

ROGER ARNOLD married Joan, daughter of Sir Thomas Gamage, Knight, Lord of Coytey. Their son was Thomas, who succeeded to Llanthony and other estates. He married Agnes, daughter of Sir Richard Warnstead, Knight. Their second son was Richard, who removed to Somersetshire and resided in the parish of Street. He married Emmote [Emmate], daughter and heir of Pearse Young, of Damerham, in Wiltshire, by whom he had three sons. One of them, Richard, removed to Dorsetshire and became seated at Bagbere, parish of Middleton, otherwise called Milton Abbas. His manor house at Bagbere was standing until 1870, when it was demolished. He was twice married and died in 1595. thomas, his second son, lived for a time at Melcombe Horsey, from which place he removed to Cheslebourne and seated himself on an estate previously belonging to his father. His first wife was Alice, daughter of John Gulley, parish of Tolpuddle. By his second wife he had Thomas, born April 18, 1599. Thus has the family in England been traced back seventeen generations.

(Source: Thayer and Burton Ancestry, p. 18-19)