Sir
John
Astley
KG
Born [location unknown]
Ancestors 
Brother of
Thomas Astley Esq. and Elizabeth (Astley) Clay
[spouse(s) unknown]
[children unknown]
Died
at about age 76
[location unknown]
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Biography
"An accomplished and valiant knight" (Tim Powys-Lybbe). Well you didn't get a KG for nothing, so I expect he killed a few people just for fun.
Had a wife called Margery (Rogers).
His monument is at Patshull, where a later Astley rebuilt the church (Moule). This was presumably Sir Richard Astley, 1st Baronet Astley of Patshull; but it seems the baronet was descended not from Sir John himself but from his elder brother Thomas.
Sources
- Harleian 14, so-called "Visitation of Essex &c, Volume II", page 542 (note the pedigrees in this volume are not Visitation evidence, but are collected from miscellaneous manuscripts).`
- Richardson: Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd edn., Volume 1, page 55, ASTLEY 7.
- Painting.
- Rogers: Girders.net (Microsoft Word doc). (Query whether he was his father's heir.)
- Moule: English Counties, Volume 2, page 157.
- Hope, Sir William Henry St. John. The Stall Plates of the Knights of the Order of the Garter, 1348-1485 (A. Constable and Co., ltd., Westminster, 1901) Plate LXIX.
Note
The Harleian pedigree shows this John as the ancestor of the Astleys of Hillmorton and Melton Constable (ancestors of the Barons Reading and Hastings). But this is probably wrong? Burke's and others are confused and confusing on the subject. But those Astleys most likely descend from an earlier Sir Thomas Astley by his second wife Edith Constable?
Big Problem
John seems to have been born after his parents were dead.
Best theory seems to be that his parents are two people each - Thomas Astley married Elizabeth Harcourt and has a son, Thomas Astley, who married another Elizabeth Harcourt. But I don't think Richardson is buying into this yet.
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I've seen the earlier post about this, which gives the full argument, but Google won't find it for me now.
Followed by Genealogics (except Elizabeth de Shareshull should be the mother-in-law not the wife).
Richardson RA2013 1:173
Made a KG 1461 or 1462 Wikipedia: List_of_Knights_and_Ladies_of_the_Garter
Putnam book: Free download ("marketing excerpt") has more info about Sir William Shareshull the judge. Further upsets the applecart by making Joan his sister not daughter. Says he had two wives called Dionisia, causing total confusion. Married 1st abt 1316, 2nd 1357 at age abt 67. Richardson calls the book flawed. Hist. Parl goes with it, to a point.
Wedgwood on Harcourts. Thinks the Lutleys were Knightleys really. Putnam says not, but nearly.
IPM for Sir Wm S #3, 1400. Two more. Isabel's age rules her out as the mother of Sir John A. KG b 1408. Oo-er. And it was going so well.
William Lee d 1425, and wife Jane d 1451.