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John Awbrey (abt. 1623 - 1692)

John Awbrey aka Aubrey
Born about in Tredomen, Brecknockshire, Walesmap
Ancestors ancestors
Husband of — married about 1677 in Virginiamap
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 69 in Cople Parish, Westmoreland County, Colony of Virginia, Americamap
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Biography

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John Awbrey was born at Tredomen, Brecknockshire, Wales.

John, born about 1623, is the son of Sir William Awbrey and Elizabeth Johnes. He was born at Tredomen Court, about 6 miles northeast of Brecon, the home of his father Sir William Awbrey and grandfather, Sir Edward Awbrey. See Aubrey/Awbrey - Dominion and Decline, p 43.

This reference source states he came to Virginia prior to February 1664 as in that month he witnessed a document for his brother Henry. See Aubrey/Awbrey - Dominion and Decline, p 175.

John worked as an “overseer” on Jane Johnstone Martin's plantation. At some point Jane lastly married Henry Martin. John lived in the house with Jane and her daughter Jane Johnstone as mentioned in Will of Jane Johnstone Martin. Jane had an older daughter, Elizabeth, who married Henry Payne (see Research Notes below). See Aubrey/Awbrey - Dominion and Decline in 2007, p 176.

John married Jane Johnstone. It is thought the date might be about 1677. They had 3 children (See Aubrey/Awbrey - Dominion and Decline, p 43):

  1. John
  2. Francis
  3. Sara

(This reference states Francis was about 10 in 1701 which would make his birth date c1679. Often the first born son was named after the father which would indicate John was the first born son, c 1676. John and Jane are thought to have married after 1676.)

Wales Locations

Brecknockshire (Welsh: Sir Frycheiniog), also known as Breconshire or the County of Brecon, is one of thirteen historic counties of Wales, and a former administrative county. See Wikipedia - Brecknockshire
Brecon Beacons National Park


Historic County of Brecknockshire

Abercynrig, 3 miles southeast of Brecon, was the former seat of the Awbrey family from c1100 until sold in 1621. See description of Abercynrig, Wales.

Research Notes

Arrival Date:
Jon Awbrey states at Aubrey/Awbrey - Dominion and Decline, p 175 John witnessed a power of attorney for his brother Henry Awbrey. Jon no longer has access to the records used for this information.
There is a reference to a “Jno Awberry” arriving in Virginia in 1669 – see Ancestry.com – Jno Awberry. It is not clear this is the John Awbrey of this profile.
Another reference, possibly related to the above, implies John arrived in 1669. [1] This reference concerns obtaining a land patent for John’s brother Henry in 1669 for having transported 10 individuals to Virginia including John. However, the actual date of transporting could have been earlier.
Question of Two Elizabeths:
Elizabeth Pain (Payne) – Walton L. Aubrey, publisher of Aubrey-Awbrey of Virginia and Kentucky, list Elizabeth as the first child, who married William Paine. No primary source is provided. This source, Ancestry.com – Elizabeth Awbrey (LifeStory) states she was born in 1678 in Westmoreland County, Virginia died at age 24 in 1702. No mention of being married. No primary source.
Most likely this information is incorrect. See her mother’s will and an explanation provided in Will of Jane Johnstone Martin as researched by Janet Ariciu. The conclusion is Elizabeth is a daughter from Jane’s marriage to James Johnstone.

Sources

  1. Ariciu, Janet, Henry Awbrey, citing Cavaliers and Pioneers, (Vol 2, page 62), by Nell Marion Nugent (Janet Ariciu Family Bush, accessed November 13, 2020; link updated 24 February 2023).
See also:
  • Richardson, Douglas. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 4 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham. 2nd edition. Salt Lake City: the author, 2011. See also WikiTree's source page for Magna Carta Ancestry. Note: John Awbrey is not mentioned by Richardson.
  • Lundy, Darryl. Entry for John Awbrey, citing Janet Ariciu, "re: Jones Family," e-mail message to Darryl Roger LUNDY (101053), 16 August 2011. Note that this database - thepeerage.com - is not considered to be a reliable source (see the Magna Carta Project Reliable Sources page).
    • Ariciu, Janet, John Awbrey (accessed 24 February 2023).

Acknowledgments

Thanks to Janet Ariciu who has done much research on the Awbrey family. Several web pages she has created can be seen starting with the link provided below. Evidently she has seen the documents she references. Unfortunately, many of them are not available online, or only partially viewable. The link that had been given for Janet's page for John Awbrey, which contained links to other Awbrey pages, is no longer available ("service temporarily unavailabel" as of 27 June 2023). This link for John Awbrey (accessed 24 February 2023) is to the Wayback Machine capture of a URL.





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Stuart - the redone page looks SO much better!! Thanks so much for all the work you did on it. So sorry for the late response, but I have been neck-deep in US Southern Colonies stuff since agreeing to be a co-leader. One of the things I edited relates to that: with the re-launch of the US Southern Colonies Project, it is reclaiming everything pre-1776 from the Virginia Project, which had stepped up over the past few years while the US Southern Colonies Project was dormant. Since for WikiTree purposes, USA begins 4 July 1776, we're looking at sorting people and categories that way too (if born before 4 July 1776, US Southern Colonies Project instead of Virginia Project & if the person is colonial, then the county-level Virginia location category should be too... not all locations have both Virginia & Virginia Colony categories [e.g., Northern Neck doesn't], but we're working on adding the missing Virginia Colony county categories so that all the counties have both - if the county existed both pre- & post-1776).

Sorry for the long post, but wanted to let you know about the Virginia Colony/Virginia difference for county location categories since we have so many Virginia Awbreys!

Thanks again so much for the vast improvements you've made to this profile & all the others!

Cheers, Liz

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
edited by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Thanks Liz - I always appreciate your assistance.

The names of the colonies seems to be an ongoing issue. I have been using Colony of Virginia, America for birth and death locations which is still on this profile. Is that still acceptable - except in categories?

Regards, Stuart

posted by Stuart Awbrey
edited by Stuart Awbrey
what comes after "Virginia" in the datafields is still being debated...

I tend to just leave it at Colony of Virgina or Virginia, although I'll sometime do Virginia, USA or Virginia, United States of America for the later (nothing for the former, but if theer is something more on a profile I edit for the project, I'll remove pretty much anything except "America"; if it's a profile I manage, it ends at Virginia or is Colony of Virginia, America or Virginia, USA)

For categories, it's either just the county name, the word County, and either Virginia or Virginia Colony.

Cheers, Liz

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
fyi - I just updated a Descendant sticker that I have on my profile for him & thought I'd share the coding:

{Descendant |image=Magna Carta Team Base Camp.png |imagetext=Magna Carta Project logo |id=[Awbrey-38|John Awbrey], possible Gateway Ancestor }

double the braces to display the template & the brackets for clickable link.

edit - the Magna Carta project has deleted the Potential Gateway Ancestors category, so I removed the coding to link to it


Magna Carta Project logo
Descendant of John Awbrey, possible Gateway Ancestor.


I go a bit overboard with my Descendant stickers. On profiles not your own (e.g., the profile about you, not just one you manage), WikiTree says no more than 5 & that 3 is better.

See Template:Descendant for more info.

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
edited by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Hi! I just posted a G2G question after comparing my Dad's & Stuart's DNA in GEDmatch & getting a matching segment. Not quite sure what it means (hence the G2G question), but super excited by it!

https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/400801/segment-matching-between-descendants-enough-confirmation

Cheers, Liz

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
An excellent summary of the evidence that John Awbrey and brothers Henry and Thomas of Virginia were sons of Sir William ("the Extravagant") Awbrey of Wales is here: http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/awbrey/205/
posted by [Living Schmeeckle]