John
Bagby
Born about in Scotland
[uncertain]
[uncertain]Son of James Bagby
[uncertain]
and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of
Mary (Unknown) Bagby
— married
[date unknown] [location unknown]
Descendants 
Father of
James Bagby
Died about
at about age 58
in Scotland [uncertain]
[uncertain]
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Biography
John Bagby was supposedly born in Scotland in 1570. His son, James Bagby, born circa 1595 emigrated to Jamestown, Virginia in 1634. He had a son Robert born in 1640 in Virginia. Robert had a son John, born in 1665 who married an unknown Welsh woman. They had a son born in King and Queen County, Virginia circa 1700. John had a son John "Colonel John" Bagby who was born in Hanover County, Virginia circa 1736. John married Theodosia Morris who was born and died in Louisa County, Virgina. John and Theodosia had 4 children, Richard, James, Mildred and William.[1]
Emigration Notes
These entries possibly refer to John and/or his son James Bagby:
- Feb 1636 - Mr. Georg Menifye, Merchant, 1200 acs. James City Co., 23 Feb. 1636, p. 412. A neck of land comonly called the Rich Neck ... Trans. of 24 pers: [incl] John Bagby.[2]
- May 1639 - William Barker, Marriner, 1300 acs. Chas Citty Co., 11 May 1639, p. 645 500 acs bounding land he purchased of Mrs. Elizabeth Stephens, ... & 800 acs in the Cr., being a Neck of land adj. land lately belonging to Capt. Francis Hooke &c. Due for trans. of 26 pers: [incl] James Bagby (or Bayly) -- first written Basty), ... [2]
Probably not related is the only entry in Hotten for "Bagbie," the only variant spelling found there:
- To be transported to Virginia on the Elizabeth sailing from Gravesend 1 August 1635[3]
- Jo. Bagbie, age 17
Research Notes
- Needs Relationship Review: Evidence needed to establish this person existed and was the father of purported son James Bagby (1595-). Strutton-11 16:59, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- Needs Sources: Sources for birth/death/marriage dates and locations, and attached family profiles are needed. Strutton-11 16:59, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
Maintenance categories of "needs Sources" and "needs Relationship Review" added to US Southern Colonist Sticker can be removed once sources and/or correct relationship are added. Strutton-11 16:59, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
John Bagby born about 1570 in Scotland, married to a wife from Wales, who emigrated to Virginia Colony and died there in 1628 is a myth. There is absolutely no evidence for the existence of this person.
The first concrete evidence we find for the Bagby (Bagbey, Bagbie, Begby, Begbie, etc.) name is included under Emigration Notes above. John's purported son, James Bagby, may have been the James Bagby (Bayly, Basty) who is recorded as a headright of William Barker in 1639.
There is no direct evidence that the Virginia Bagbys came from Scotland. The name, or one of its variants, is also commonly found in this time period in England.
It is my suggestion that we define this person as mythical and start the history of the Bagbys in Virginia with those we can prove arrived here. Strutton-11 16:59, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
Sources
- ↑ GenForum, details...
- ↑ 2.0 2.1 Nugent, Nell Marion, Abstracted and Indexed by. Cavaliers and Pioneers: Abstracts of Virginia Land Patents and Grants, 1623-1800. In Five Volumes. Richmond, VA.: Press of the Dietz Printing Co., 1935 pages 54, 108
- ↑ Hotten, John Camden, Editor. The Original Lists of Persons of Quality; Emigrants' Religious Exiles; … and others who went from Great Britain to the American Plantations, 1600-1700. John Camden Hotten: London, 1874. Reprinted Empire State Book Co., New York. p 118
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As for Robert Bagby, no one knows exactly when he was born. 1640 would be just a guess. He was importing settlers into Virginia in the 1670s or thereabouts, so it's not necessarily a bad guess.
The date of 1665 for his alleged son John is obviously just another stab in the dark.
In the next sentence, the name "John" has been omitted from the narrative. Probably in the next sentence the author was describing the same person as the John Bagby of King & Queen County who married a sister of Martha Davis, per "Venables of Virginia."
Also as to the John Bagby (when did he get promoted to Colonel? -- I must have missed that) who did settle in Louisa County, he was probably not born as late as "circa 1736;" certainly not if his son William was born in 1750. I could live with 1730. Of course, the birth year of his son William, who married Ann Dickerson/Dickinson (NOT Drusilla Simmns!) could be later than 1750; maybe the 1750 date has been associated with him solely out of confusion with Robert Bagby's son William.
Anyway, as to the first Louisa County John Bagby's son John - who is sometimes referred to as John Arthur Bagby -- I'm talking about the husband of Matilda Davis -- some profiles on sites like Geni call HIM a colonel, but that is equally dubious. In his application for a pension based on his Rev. War service, his supporting affidavit said:
"At the time he entered the service he lived in Louisa County, Virginia. He enlisted in the Regiment of guards to serve during the stay of the prisoners, but served two years and four or five months. He was in not battles. He served with the Regiment of guards & was not acquainted with any Regular companies or Regiments. He knew the following Regular officers in the Regiment of guards: Cap. [Ambrose] Madison, Capt. Garland Burnley, Cap. Ben Timberlake, Col. Taylor, Lt. Col. Fontaine, Major John Roberts, Cap. Pollet, Cap. Rice, Cap. [Edward] Herndon, & Cap. [James] Burton & others."
(The officer names in brackets were evidently added for clarity, and are as shown at http://revwarapps.org/w2997.pdf. Somewhere I have a photocopy of the original petition & affidavit but don't have time to check it to confirm that the material in brackets was not added at the time of the application.)
Does that sound to you like the sort of pension application a Colonel would write?