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Edmund Barttelot (abt. 1539 - abt. 1591)

Edmund "Edward" [uncertain] Barttelot aka Bartlett
Born about in Earnley, Sussex, Englandmap [uncertain]
Ancestors ancestors
Son of [uncertain] and [uncertain]
Husband of — married 1570 in Sussex, Englandmap
Descendants descendants
Died about in Earnley, Sussex, Englandmap [uncertain]
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Biography

Sussex (historic flag, adopted 2011)
Edmund Barttelot was born in Sussex, England.

Edmund Bartlett of Earnley, son of Edmund [1] Bartlett of Earnley (the third[1] or fourth and youngest[2][3] son of Richard Barttelot of Stopham), husband of Elizabeth Gore (daughter of Richard) and father of Edward, Francis, Emma, an unnamed daughter and Clemence[4][5]

He may be the "Edward" Barttelot who sold Earnley Manor to George Fenner in 1561.[6]

The children of Edmund Barttelot and Elizabeth Gore supported by secondary sources are:-

  1. Edward[4][3]
  2. Francis[4]
  3. Emma[4]
  4. Unnamed wife of Richard Chatfylde[5]
  5. Clemence[4]

The following details of events in Edmund's life are not currently well sourced.

He he was born 1539 at Earnley, Sussex, England and was the son of William Barttelot and Anne Covert.[7] His marriage to Elizabeth Gore was in 1567 at Earnley, Sussex, England.[8][9] He died in 1591 at Stopham, Sussex, England[7] or Earnley, Sussex, England.[8][9]

Research Notes

Clemence Bartlet

The Clemence Bartlet listed as a daughter in the Visitations appears to have married in 1542[10] and has therefore been disconnected from Edmund and his wife pending further clarification.

Other children

Other children are attributed to Edmund Barttelot and Elizabeth Gore at thepeerage.com as follows:-

  1. Richard Barttelot d. 1634[7]
  2. Richard Barttelot b. 1574, d. 1647[7][11]
  3. John Barttelot b. 1576, d. 1647[7]
  4. Edmund Barttelot b. 1581, d. 1634[7][12]
  5. Thomas Barttelot b. 1594, d. 1654[7][12]

These look to be based on the brothers listed for Edmund by Burke[3] (see the extract quoted below).

Acquisition and disposal of the manor of Earnley

The Barttelot's of Earnley are a cadet branch of the family at Stopham.[5] Note that the manor of Earnley first came into the family's hands when it was conveyed to an Edward Barttelot in 1495 and was held by them until a different Edward Barttelot sold it to George Fenner in 1561.[6]

Editing Notice

Spellings of the surname for the subject of this profile differ: the Visitations of Sussex titles the pedigree "Bartlett-Barttelot", whilst standardising on Bartlett within the pedigree;[4] and Berry uses a range of spellings including Bartlett, Bartlott and Bartelott. The History of Parliament cites a family member as William Barttelot of Stopham MP for Sussex in 1435[13] and a document in the National archives is catalogued under the spelling of Edmund Bartelott, though this may refer to a different individual.[14]

In general, the spellings Barttelot and Bartelott do appear to have been largely peculiar to the Sussex family, judging from the catalogue of the National Archives at Kew, however the spelling Bartlett was certainly also used, for example in a family will of 1639[15]. There are also a few examples of the Barttelot and Bartelott spellings elsewhere in the country, e.g. in Bedfordshire,[16] Somerset[17] and Suffolk.[18] The distinction may be of value in later sources, however, and clearly care should be taken in all circumstances.

Bartlett and Bartelott families in the US

The spelling of Bartlett is certainly more common. There were several, apparently unrelated, families by this name in early New England. Richard Bartlett probably came from Wiltshire. About 100 years ago a book was published that linked the two families, but the connection was shown invalid.[citation needed]

There are no known dna studies that prove that the Bartelott and other Bartlett families are from the same origin. Becky (Nally) Syphers 07:30, 29 November 2014 (EST)

Entry in Burke's American Families

Burke gives a bio of Edmund Bartlett and his sons.[3] The following is a direct quote from the book:
Edmund Barttelot, of Ernley, Sussex, acquired estates in that parish from the Fenner family (Dallaways's Western Sussex, i, 27) who had held them during the greater part of the sixteenth century. He is not named in the pedigree recorded by his grandson, Edward Bartlett, of Ernley, and Redland at the Visitation of 1633/34 (Harleian MS 1562),[4] but is there described as the fourth son of Richard Barttelot and Elizabeth Gates. He d. 1591, and according to the family pedigree had issue,
1. Edmund, of Ernley, mentioned at the Visitation of 1633/34,[4] [married] Elizabeth, daughter of Richard Gore, and had issue,
I. Edward, of Ernley and Redland, recorded the arms of Barttelot of Ernley...and had issue.
2. John, b. inter 1580/90, sold his properties in Ernley in 1634, is believed to be identical with the John Bartlett who sailed from England in the Mary and John, in 1634, and settled in Newbury, Mass., where he pursured the calling of tanner, becoming a freeman in 1637. He d. 13 April, 1678, leaving by his wife Joane (d. Feb. 1679), a son,
John, b. in England; emigrated with his father; m. 5 Mar. 1660, Sarah, dau. of John Knight, and left issue, from whom descended the Bartletts of Newton, Mass., and of Bath, N. H.).
3. Richard, ancestor of the line of which we treat.
4. Thomas, b. 1580/90, probably the same Thomas who sailed on the Mary and John, in 1634; settled at Watertown, Mass.
The third son,
Richard Bartlett (or Barttelot), of Bartlett's Cove, in Newbury, Mass. (it is opposite Amesbury Ferry), where he settled with his brother, John (see above). He emigrated with his brothers, John and Thomas, and his sons, Richard and Christopher, and a dau., Joanna, being one of the earliest settlers at Newbury in 1635 (the year of its incorporation), where he was a shoemaker, b. 1580/90; d. 25 May, 1647, leaving issue,...
Here Burke continues tracking the family line down to a certain Rolla Willis Bartlett b. 2 Sept. 1869

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 Rev C J Robinson. "Stopham." Sussex Archaeological Collections. Lewes: George P Bacon, 1877. Vol XXVII, p 43.
  2. John Burke and John Bernard Burke. Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Landed Gentry, London: Henry Coleman, 1847. Vol I, p 60.
  3. 3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 Burke, Bernard. Burke's American Families with British Ancestry: The Lineages of 1,600 Families of British Origin Now Resident in the United States of America. Baltimore: Genealogical Pub., 2010. Print.
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.5 4.6 4.7 Benolte, Thomas; Philipot, John; & Owen, George. The Visitations of the County of Sussex: 1530 and 1633-4. London: The Harleian Society, 1905. Vol LIII, pp 82-3.
  5. 5.0 5.1 5.2 William Berry. Pedigrees of the Families in the County of Sussex. London: Sherwood, Gilbert, and Piper, 1830. Pp 178-9.
  6. 6.0 6.1 "Earnley," in A History of the County of Sussex: Volume 4, the Rape of Chichester, ed. L F Salzman (London: Victoria County History, 1953), 201-203. British History Online, accessed October 2, 2020, http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/sussex/vol4/pp201-203.
  7. 7.0 7.1 7.2 7.3 7.4 7.5 7.6 Darryl Lundy. "Edmund Barttelot". The Peerage. Accessed 6 Aug 2020. Insufficient details to locate ultimate source.
  8. 8.0 8.1 Ancestry.com: Public Member Trees 1, 2 & 3.
  9. 9.0 9.1 Ancestry.com: OneWorldTree
  10. "England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NV3X-TV7 : 10 February 2018), Richard Carell and Clemens Bartlet, 06 Jun 1542; citing Wonersh,Surrey,England, reference , index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 1,042,346.
  11. Long Island Genealogy contributors. "Edmund Bartlett". Long Island Surnames. Accessed 1 Oct 2020.
  12. 12.0 12.1 Erica Howton. "Edmund Bartlett" Geni. Accessed 1 Oct 2020.
  13. Alan Davidson. "BARTTELOT (BARTLETT), Walter (1585-1641), of Stopham, Suss." History of Parliament.
  14. Bartelott v Pope. National Archives, Kew: C 1/736/46
  15. Will of Henry Bartlett, Gentleman of Stopham, Sussex. National Archives, Kew: PROB 11/180/459
  16. Grant by Isabella Totyngdon, of Wyppsenade, widow, to Thomas Bartelott, of Dunstaple. National Archives, Kew: C 146/2735.
  17. Release to William Bartelott citizen of Bath. National Archives. Kew: BC 151/2.
  18. Entry from the court roll of the manor of William Skeith, Suffolk naming Simon Bartelott. National Archives, Kew: WARD 2/46/167/2.


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https://www.thepeerage.com/p44372.htm#i443712 lists Edmund's parents as William and Anne

Edmund Barttelot was born in 1539 at Ernley, Sussex, EnglandG.1 He was the son of William Barttelot and Anne Covert.1 He married Elizabeth Gore, daughter of Richard Gore, in 1567 at Ernley, Sussex, EnglandG.1 He died in 1591 at Stopham, Sussex, EnglandG.1 He sold Ernley Manor, to another Edward Barttelot in 1561.1 Children of Edmund Barttelot and Elizabeth Gore

Richard Barttelot+1 d. 1634 Richard Barttelot+1 b. 1574, d. 1647 John Barttelot+1 b. 1576, d. 1647 Edmund Barttelot1 b. 1581, d. 1634 Edward Barttelot1 b. 1585 Thomas Barttelot1 b. 1594, d. 1654

Citations

[S4736] David Barttelot, online unknown url, David Barttelot (unknown location), downloaded 14 July 2010.

posted by Charlie Getchell
Note the marriage of Edmund's daughter Clemence Bartlett to Richard Carrell on 6 Jun 1542 (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NV3X-TV7), suggests a much earlier date for Edmund's birth than 1540 (e.g. before 1500) if we accept him as her father per the Heralds' Visitation (https://archive.org/stream/visitationscoun00owengoog#page/n98/mode/1up).
posted by Chris Weston
The will of Clemence (PCC, Carew, PROB 11/58/519) identifies her as the daughter mentioned on the visitations - she leaves bequests to her brother Francis and her sister 'Chatfeild', both of whom appear on the same visitation.

(Clemence also leaves money to William Bartlett, the son of her brother - I've always assumed this is Francis, but that is just me jumping to conclusions. A William Bartlett of Bramley in Surrey is mentioned as a kinsman in the will of Henry (3rd son of Clemence & Richard Caryll.) No idea if that's the same person.)

Clemence Carril, widow of Leigh, Kent. 15th December 1576 https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D962238

posted by L Felix
Barttelot-1 and Bartlett-2954 are not ready to be merged because: See note I made earlier.
posted on Bartlett-2954 (merged) by Ellen Smith
Bartlett-2954 and Barttelot-1 appear to represent the same person because: Maybe these are supposed to be different people, but currently they have the same parents, same spouse, and same death. They need to be associated as Unmerged Matches until such time as the situation is resolved.
posted by Ellen Smith
Here's the citation. Pagination within google books differs/is browser dependent, re: virtual page #s, but John Atkinson's correct that the first mention is page 27 (later volume) labeled Ernley, up top, chart on p. 28's, labeled Parochial Topography, and an additional reference to Bartelot: p. 97 (Apuldram section). An index is found in the final pages of the book.
A History Of the Western Division Of the County Of Sussex. Including the Rapes Of Chichester, Arundel, and Bramber, with the City and Diocese Of Chichester. James Dallaway - Printed By T. Bensley - 1815.

Please advise once the team addresses the misalignment of married pairs he's raised. I will probably bump into pre-1500 certification needs, so. . .

posted by Porter Fann
Burke, not the most reliable source has actually misrepresented what is in the Dallaways' Western Sussex book that he cites. https://books.google.com.au/books?hl=en&id=0VkMAQAAMAAJ&redir_esc=y Page 27 (in Google ebooks, image 441 or 794) actually states that Ernley was passed to a younger branch of the Bartelotts of Stopham (which may suggest they inherited it not acquired it) and the following page which has a genealogical chart of Bartelott doesn't actually give a first name for the Bartelott of Ernley, named as 4th son, ob. 1591 and also doesn't give a first name for this father, he is just called Bartelott of Stopham.

It is actually the son of the first Bartelott of Ernley, who is Edmund Bartelott married to Elizabeth Gore.

posted by John Atkinson
Barttelot-1 and Bartlett-6472 appear to represent the same person because: These two profiles are for the same person. It looks like this was the generation where the surname may have split off to Bartlett. Please merge after careful consideration. Thanks! lcr
Barttelot-1 and Bartlett-2954 do not represent the same person because: There is much documentation on line and on the profiles as to why these two lines should not be merged.
posted on Bartlett-2954 (merged) by Becky (Nally) Syphers
Bartlett-6472 and Barttelot-1 do not represent the same person because: Distinct families, and seem to be unrelated. Wives have the same name, but are a generation apart in ages. no primary source for the existence of Edmund Bartlett given.
posted by Becky (Nally) Syphers
Bartlett-6472 and Barttelot-1 appear to represent the same person because: Barttelot changed to Bartlett. Wife is the same, dates very close to the same, as are locations
posted by Hayward Houghton II
Bartelot-6 and Barttelot-1 appear to represent the same person because: different name spelling, same mother, brothers, birthdate
Barttelot-54 and Barttelot-1 do not represent the same person because: 2 Edmund Barttelots - these are different people
Barttelot-54 and Barttelot-1 are not ready to be merged because: Conflicting mother's needs to be resolved.
posted by Dawn Ellis
These individuals may have different last names. There has been confusion of the names Bartlett and Bartelot in the published genealogies since the mid 1800's.
posted on Bartlett-2954 (merged) by Becky (Nally) Syphers