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Note: the existence of this person is somewhat uncertain, but he represents a serious scholarly proposal.
He has been detached from Joane Walerie as his mother. See G2G discussion linked to his father's profile.
In this generation different authors have interpreted the records in different ways concerning this profile and also Beauchamp-438, who is sometimes seen as the same person, or a younger brother or a son. There was in any case a period from 1197 until about 1214 at the latest, where at least one minor was at the head of the Beauchamp barony.
H.C. Maxwell Lyte, who wrote the section introductions in the 1920 edition of the so called Book of Fees, or Testa de Nevill, wrote (Vol.1, p.34) concerning the records for 1208-1213:
Note that Maxwell Lyte does not state the relationship between what he considered to be two different minors. (Most obviously, they might be brothers, given that children do not have children.)
What sources did Maxwell Lyte use in order to conclude that there was a boy named Wilikin? One obvious source is the Book of Fees itself, which he was writing about. In a listing of 1208 William Beauchamps is mentioned as if alive. but could this simply because his lands had not yet been inherited by his heir?
In the Close Rolls of the 9th year of King John (1207/8) we already find Watekin (Walter) de Bello Campo and his marriage being in the hands of Roger de Mortimer, implying he is an heir.[1] But it mentions no death. The Pipe Rolls from King John's time are not online. The Liberate Rolls mention Watekin many times, starting in 1209/10.[2]
According to Charles Cawley's report, the modern Introduction the Beauchamp cartulary also defines William and Walter as brothers.[3]
A possible complication here is that the records about the minor who was heir tend to use a diminutive form of his name, and these diminutives imply different names. Wiliken and Watekin are however similar. Were there really two boys, or only one? Dugdale, for example, apparently thought they were one. A critical aspect of Maxwell Lyte's understanding is that there was a death of one of them in 1209 (which was in the 10th and 11th years of King John's reign).
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AND THERE IS A William III (Beauchamp) de Beauchamp -1210- ALSO AS A WI LLIAM III.WHICH IS CORRECT?