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Hugh (Bigod) le Bigod (abt. 1095 - bef. 1177)

Hugh "3rd Earl of Norfolk" le Bigod formerly Bigod
Born about in Belvoir Castle, Leicestershire, Englandmap
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Husband of — married 1133 (to 1153) [location unknown]
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Died before before about age 82 in Norfolk, Englandmap
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Hugh was the 3rd earl of Norfolk overall and 1st of the 2nd creation.[1]

Quoted from the Medieval Lands project:

"HUGH Bigod, son of ROGER Bigod of Earsham, Suffolk & his [second] wife Adelise de Tosny ([1095]-1177 before 9 Mar). “Willielmus Bigot, dapifer regis Anglorum” donated property to Thetford Priory, for the souls of “patris mei Rogerii Bigoti et matris meæ Adelidis” and for the salvation of “fratris mei Hugonis et sororum mearum”, by undated charter dated to the reign of King Henry I. The Complete Peerage states that he was William´s brother “presumably of the half-blood”, the basis for the statement being explained on the previous page. He succeeded his [half-]brother in 1120 as Lord of Framlingham, Suffolk. "…Hug Bigoto…" subscribed the charter date [3/10] Jun 1123 under which Henry I King of England granted the lands of "Edrici fil Chetelli" to "Walto de Gloec"[806]. King Stephen created him Earl of Norfolk in [Dec 1140/Jan 1141]. The Chronicle of Ralph of Coggeshall records the death in 1177 of "comes Hugo Bigod, vir magnificus". Robert of Torigny records the death in 1177 of "Hugo Bigot comes" and that he was succeeded by "Rogerius filius eius".

"m firstly (annulled) as her first husband, JULIANE de Vere, daughter of AUBREY de Vere Lord of Hedingham & his wife Adelisa de Clare (-after 1185). “Rogerus Bigot comes Norfolchiæ” donated property to Colne priory, for the souls of “Hugone Bigot fratris mei et comitissæ Julianæ matris meæ et Idæ uxoris meæ”, by undated charter, witnessed by “Hugone Bigot filio meo…”. The Rotuli de Dominabus of 1185 records property “Duvercurt” held by “comitissa Juliana…soror comitis Albrici”. She married secondly Walkelin Maminot. The Complete Peerage says that “for the souls of her father and mother and of her husbands Hugh Bigoth and Walkelin Maminot she granted Begham Abbey land in Brockley” but does not quote the original. According to the Complete Peerage, she was still living in 1185, citing a grant by “Juliana comitissa” at Dovercourt to Colne Priory, witnessed by “Alberico comite et Alberico filius eius”, adding “which being notified to Gilbert Bishop of London was not later than 1189”.

Hugh married secondly as her first husband, GUNDRED, daughter of --- (-[1200/08]). Documents show that “Gundred, widow of Hugh Earl of Norfolk”, disputed her husband´s inheritance after his death in favour of her son Hugh. She married secondly, as his second wife, Roger de Glanville. A charter of King Henry II confirmed donations to Bungay Nunnery by “Rogeri de Glanvill et Gundredæ comitissæ uxoris meæ” of property at Bungay. It is probably a safe conclusion that Roger de Glanville´s “countess Gundred” was the widow of the earl of Norfolk as no other countess of this name has been identified at that time in England. According to The Complete Peerage, she was “apparently” Gundred of Warwick, daughter of Roger Earl of Warwick & his wife Gundred de Warenne of Surrey. This parentage is deduced from a charter under which "Willelmus de Lancastre" donated pasture rights in "feodum meum in Lonisdale et in Aumundernesse" to Leicester, St Mary de Pré, with the consent of "Willelmi filii mei et heredis et Gundree uxoris mee", for the souls of "…Gilberti patris mei et Godithe matris mee et Jordani filii mei et Margarete filia Comitisse", by charter dated to [1156/60], witnessed by "Willelmo filio meo et herede, Gundr fil Comitisse…". The Complete Peerage makes the assumption that “Gundrede uxoris mee” and “Comitisse” in this document refer to the same person. A charter of King Henry II which records that “primus Willielmum de Lancaster, baronem de Kendale, qui prius vocabatur de Tailboys” married “Gundredam comitissam Warwic”, certainly suggests that this assumption is probably correct, but the question is not entirely without doubt. However, greater problems arise when attempting to link the supposed daughter of Roger Earl of Warwick with these two marriages. The Complete Peerage cites a series of documents based on which, it suggests, the link is a reasonable assumption. However, on closer examination, the only one of these documents which provides any indication of a connection is the Red Book of the Exchequer, in which the 1166 return of William Earl of Warwick (Gundred´s supposed brother) shows that he had received Bungay (subject of the donation in the charter quoted above) in exchange from the Earl of Leicester. However, this provides only circumstancial evidence regarding the link and, if this is the only indication available, it cannot safely be concluded that the link is proved beyond all doubt. The safest position is therefore to show Gundred´s parentage as unproven.

Earl Hugh & his first wife had one child:

1. ROGER Bigod (-1221 before 2 Aug). Robert of Torigny records the death in 1177 of "Hugo Bigot comes" and that he was succeeded by "Rogerius filius eius". He was recognised as Earl of Norfolk 25 Nov 1189....

Earl Hugh & his second wife had two children:

2. HUGH Bigod . Documents show that “Gundred, widow of Hugh Earl of Norfolk”, disputed her husband´s inheritance after his death in favour of her son Hugh[843]. “Rogerus Bigot comes Norfolchiæ” donated property to Colne priory, for the souls of “Hugone Bigot fratris mei et comitissæ Julianæ matris meæ et Idæ uxoris meæ”, by undated charter, witnessed by “Hugone Bigot filio meo…".

3. WILLIAM Bigod . m MARGARET, daughter and heiress of ROBERT de Sutton, of Bures, Essex & his wife ---. Bracton records a claim, dated 1220, by "Walterus de Verdun" against "abbatem de Meaudona" for "aduocacionem ecclesie de Langedona" granted by "Robertus de Sutton" to "Willelmo de Bigod in maritagium cum filia sua".

Sources

  1. G E Cokayne. Complete Peerage, revised edition, Vol. IX, St Catherine Press, 1936, pp. 579-586, NORFOLK III, viewable on Familysearch




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posted by [Living Seifert]
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Please see comments by Joe Cochoit and myself on Hugh Bigod-1. There are different ways of numbering the Earls of Norfolk, depending whether you count them overall, and what you regard as a new creation. On WikiTree we follow the numbering in the revised edition of Cokayne's "Complete Peerage", which makes the High of this profile 3rd Earl. And, as Joe Cochoit has said on Bigod-1, "it is clear the the old title was settled on [the Hugh of this profile, Hugh Bigod-7] (3rd earl) by Henry II so it was not a true new creation as we think of it in modern terms."
posted by Michael Cayley
edited by Michael Cayley
Also, unless I have misunderstood something, you have missed out Roger Bigod-2, son of the Hugh of this profile, who was recognised as Earl by Richard I in 1189 (see Cokayne), and was the 4th Earl by Cokayne's counting.
posted by Michael Cayley
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posted by [Living Seifert]
edited by [Living Seifert]
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Thank you, James.

The first and most important thing to say is that this profile needs rewriting when someone with pre-1500 certification has time. Currently it is mostly a copy-and-paste from Medieval Lands. That needs to be replaced by a biography in which individual facts are supported by in-line citations from reliable sources, drawing where possible from contemporary or near-contemporary sources, and with any uncertainties and conflicts of evidence discussed, and with more fleshing out of the biography. This is likely to require quite a bit of research. There are, I am afraid, a very large number of medieval profiles that need major attention. I cannot say when this profile will be overhauled.

The second thing is that very little is known for certain about Robert Bigod-11. You will find discussion on his profile.

The third thing is that it is not certain that Robert Bigod-11 was father of Roger Bigod-5 and grandfather of the Hugh of this profile, though this may be likely. This is the main subject of such debates as there have been in relation to Robert Bigod-11.

I am not sure where precisely you copied the majority of your comment from, but much of it appears to be derived from an earlier version of the current article for Hugh on Wikipedia, possibly with some slight rearrangement. The wording of most of it is extremely close, or near-identical, to the current version of the article. While Wikipedia can be a help to research, we do not rely on Wikipedia for medieval profiles. Not all the information on Wikipedia is accurate or well-sourced. Wikipedia is a tertiary source - the Wikipedia policy is not to use primary sources, but to use published secondary sources, which can be of varying degrees of reliability.

posted by Michael Cayley
edited by Michael Cayley
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posted by [Living Seifert]
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I cannot access all of those, but family trees on the web, Tudor Place and sites like fabpedigree are not reliable sources for any pre-1700 profile. WikiTree does give guidance on reliable sourcing. Please see https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:Pre-1700_Profiles#Cite_reliable_sources and the more detailed guidance given in the pages listed on the linked category page https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Category:Reliable_Sources_for_Pre-1700_Profiles.

I would surmise that, whatever was the site from which you copied text into your comment, it copied and pasted from a previous version of Wikipedia's article on Hugh. It is otherwise not credible that so much of the text is near-identical to the Wikipedia article.

Incidentally, the Wikipedia article has an alert that it does not meet Wikipedia standards for citation of sources.

posted by Michael Cayley
edited by Michael Cayley
According to the British government, Hugh Bigot, Earl of Norfolk, was the son of Robert Bigot, Earl of Norfolk and Suffork, and Isabella, daughter of Hameline Plantagenet.

This is shown on a document titled "The Descent of George Washington from King John and Nine of the Twenty Five Barons Sureties of Magna Carta" commissioned by the British government.

"Genealogical Research at the Library of Congress", published by the Library of Congress in 1983, states that "A unique and attractive display in the reading room [of the Library of Congress] was a gift from the government of Great Britain. Through the commission of His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom at the New York World's Fair, and for permanent display in the Library of Congress, the United States Government received the George Washington pedigree panel." This panel has been on display in the reading room since its receipt from the British government in 1941.

Hugh Bigod is also shown as son of Roger Bigod and Isabel, dau. of Hameline [Plantagenet] in H. F. Waters' "The New England Historical and Genealogical Register" (p.256), and in countless other historic publications.

posted by Roy Pope Jr.
Hamelin lived later (about 1130 to 1202), and this does not relate to the Hugh of this profile. The Roger (not Robert as you say at one point) Bigod referred to is Roger Bigod-2, son of the Hugh of this profile and father of a different Hugh, Hugh Bigod-1. It is not certain who Roger's wife was but you will see from his profile that she may have been a former mistress of Henry II. Hamelin's daughter Isabel married Robert de Lacy and Gilbert de l’Aigle.
posted by Michael Cayley
edited by Michael Cayley
In regards to Hugh ("The Complete Peerage states that he was William´s brother “presumably of the half-blood”). William Longespee Plantagenet-1612 was King Henry's (II) 'illegitimate' son (by Mistress ___ Toeni).
posted by C (Gervais) Anonymous
King Stephen created him Earl of Norfolk in [Dec 1140/Jan 1141]. The Chronicle of Ralph of Coggeshall records the death in 1177 of "comes Hugo Bigod, vir magnificus"[965]. Robert of Torigny records the death in 1177 of "Hugo Bigot comes" and that he was succeeded by "Rogerius filius eius".

Under Hugh Bigod: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL.htm#_Toc38877340

posted by C (Gervais) Anonymous
HUGH Bigod, son of ROGER Bigod of Earsham, Suffolk & his [second] wife Adelise de Tosny ([1095]-1177 before 9 Mar). “Willielmus Bigot, dapifer regis Anglorum” donated property to Thetford Priory, for the souls of “patris mei Rogerii Bigoti et matris meæ Adelidis” and for the salvation of “fratris mei Hugonis et sororum mearum”, by undated charter dated to the reign of King Henry I. The Complete Peerage states that he was William’s brother “presumably of the half-blood”, the basis for the statement being explained on the previous page. He succeeded his [half-]brother in 1120 as Lord of Framlingham, Suffolk. "…Hug Bigoto…" subscribed the charter date [3/10] Jun 1123 under which Henry I King of England granted the lands of "Edrici fil Chetelli" to "Walto de Gloec". (cont..
posted by C (Gervais) Anonymous