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Osbert (Bolebec) de Bolebec (abt. 0952 - 1035)

Sir Osbert (Osborne) "Lord of Longueville" de Bolebec formerly Bolebec
Born about in Normandy, Francemap
Ancestors ancestors
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married 0976 [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died in Longueville-Sur-Scie, Seine Inferieure, Normandy, Francemap
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Thoughts Regarding Osbert's Wife

According to the early writings of Robert de Torigny, one of Gunnora's sisters married Osbern de Bolebec, another married an unidentified forester of St. Vaast d'Equiqueville, and another married Torulf/Thorold of Pont-Audemer. Contemporary theory places Wevia as the wife of Osbern de Bolebec, Senfria as the wife of the unknown forester, and Duvelina as wife of Torulf/Thorold. Additionally, it is also believed that Torigny at times, inadvertently, compressed two generations of the same given name into one generation, and Moriarty also appears to have picked up this error in his article, Sargent-Gifford, in NEHGR. He shows Osbern de Bolebec and Avelina, sister to Duchess Gunnora, but making him contemporary with Duke Robert of Normandy, which is clearly a generation later than a sister of Gunnora. Thus, contemporary theory is that there were actually two successive de Bolebec generations named Osbern. This generational implausibility appears also in Ancestral Roots, which states that Walter Giffard, brother of Osbern Giffard, was a son of Osbern de Bolebec and Duvelina (a difference of opinion per which sister of Gunnora married which individual as mentioned above), which Walter was a companion of Duke William at the battle of Hastings. Thus, it is presumed that Osbern Giffard and Walter Giffard, brothers, were grandsons, not sons, of the first Osbern de Bolebec who married Wevia, and that the missing generation is another Osbern de Bolebec, who was the father of Walter and Osbern Giffard. (Ref: http://www.geneajourney.com/giffrd.html#notea - accessed 7 Aug 2014)

Biography

Osbern de Bolebec, a noble Norman Lord of Longueville in Normandy (living in the time of Duke Robert the Magnificent or the Devil who was the father of William the Conqueror), married probably in the last years of the tenth or the early years of the eleventh century Avelina, third sister of Gunnora who was the second wife of Richard, Duke of Normandy from 942 to 996.[1]

Birth

ABT. 940—970, Collections for a History of Staffordshire states he was "quite young" when he married Avelina. So 940 seems too early. amb
Place: Longueville, Normandy, France

Marriage and Issue

Osbern de Bolebec married Avelina third sister of Gunnora Duchess of Normandy.[2]

...Gunnora had a bevy of younger sisters whom she promoted by marrying them to the sons of great Norman houses who were in ward to the Duke (Richard, Duke of Normandy) and in this way the third sister, Avelina, was given in marriage to Osbern de Bolebec Lord of Longueville by whom she had Walter Giffard the first and Godfrey father of William d Arques.[3][4]

Son Osberne Bolebec Gyffarde[5]

Sources

  1. The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, Vol 75 p. 59-60, accessed 2014-05-08, amb
  2. The Visitations of the County of Devon: Comprising the Herald's Visitations of 1531, 1564, & 1620, p. 396, accessed 2015-05-08, amb
  3. Collections for a History of Staffordshire, pp. 4-5, accessed 2014-05-08, amb
  4. An Analysis of the Domesday Book of the County of Norfolk, pp. 38-39. (Google eBook). George Munford. J. R. Smith, 1858. Accessed 2014-05-09, amb
  5. John Burke, A genealogical and heraldic history of the commoners of Great Britain and Ireland, pp. 206-207. Published 1833. Original from Oxford University. Digitized Sep 17, 2008, retrieved 2014-08-01, amb
  • Foundation for Medieval Genealogy

Varnell-40 05:46, 28 February 2015 (EST)



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Dan what medieval sources exist for this missing Osbern and how would he fit with this one? My impression is that this family needs pruning, not more additions. I do not think Wikitree can or should try to show every theory which can be found on the internet?
posted by Andrew Lancaster
There is a missing Osbern De Bolbec (c980-1063) who may have married Avelina FitzRichard: Giffard-6, Giffard-346 and Bolbec-29 should be listed as their sons. Bolebec-30 is their grandfather.
posted by Dan Norum
Why would that be better Michelle? If we have any such information, I guess we should get it out for discussion.
posted by Andrew Lancaster
Marking parents as “Uncertain” would be better.
So we should disconnect the parents?
posted by Andrew Lancaster
Listed father was born after Osbern.
posted by Dan Norum
Listed father was born after Osbern.
posted by Dan Norum
Should we disconnect the parents? Lots of red flags.
posted by Andrew Lancaster
Walter[a] was the son of Osborne de Bolbec, Lord of Longueville and Avelina.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Giffard,_Lord_of_Longueville

posted by Jon Fryett

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