No sources were found that show or prove any parents of Aeltje Braconie, the parents that were attached to Aeltje all had the same or similar names and only the dates were different. It was assumed that the Eli Braconie mentioned as a witness in this Baptism (of Aeltje's grandson!) Christiaen, was Aeltje's father. But several baptism records (transcripts), make it much more likely it was daughter Aeltje who apparently also was named Eli Braconie, and was present being the grandmother of these children. (In the Netherlands, Ali still is a very common nickname for women named Aeltje.)
Baptism Sunday 6 January 1641 Dutch Reformed Church New Netherland Child; Christiaen, Father: Willem Adriaensz Witn.: Michiel ter Oijcken (Remark; Witness 1 is fiscal), Eli Braconie[1][2]
So Aeltje's parents still are unknown, and all duplicate assumed parents of Aeltje Braconie including several duplicate profiles for a supposed mother, are merged into this profile. It is very unlikely Aeltje (also known as Eli) would have parents that both were named Aeltje Brackunell / Eli Brachonge (and other variations of the name Braconie), and no prove or any records were found for them. So now we are trying to make things more accurate. See also this G2G; Bogus father for Aeltje Braconie'
Johan van Berkenrode and Emmerentia Bisschops more recently were added as supposed parents, of this Eli Brachonge, they according all sources and info, only had one daughter named Erkenrade van Berkenrode, no daughter or son named Aeltje/Eli, and they clearly were not parents of a son or daughter named Eli Brachonge (Braconie, etc.) so thesesupposed parents were disconnected.
Conclusion: There is no distinct person named "Eli"; it is simply a short-form variant of "Aeltje". However, some doubt remains as "Eli" or "Elie" is a French first name, meaning "Elias" and was a common given name among early French-speaking Protestants, who, like the contemporary Puritans, favored Biblical names.
The earliest record of Aeltje in New Netherland is a baptism record from 6 January 1641 in which "Eli Braconie" is identified as a witness to the baptism of Christiaen, son of Willem Adriaensz.[2][1] Another baptism record, of Marÿe daughter of Willem Adriaensz in 1644, lists an "Eli Braconnie" as a sponsor. [1]
Totten mistakenly assumed that Eli was a male, perhaps a brother or even a father of Aeltjie. [3]
Ledley thought that "Eli" was a "maternal relative".[4]
The result is that many current websites mistakenly identify Eli as Aeltjie's father.[5]
Macy points out that, at each of the baptisms, Eli's was the second listed witness with the first one being a male, making it very likely that the second-listed Eli was a female. Aeltje was the grandmother of both children, so it is reasonable to assume that she was the witness called "Eli." This is particularly true if the name was sometimes spelled "Ali" and spelled by Dutch-speaking clerks.[6]
Modern Dutch informants indicate that Ali is a very common nickname for women named Aeltje;[7] "Eli" or "Ali" would have been a likely phonetic spelling.
Note that this is a completely bogus birth location. Here is a Dutch Genealogy blog which explains the error. It should be removed wherever it is found, because it is extremely unlikely that many people's genealogical ancestors actually came from that small town. Mix-216 19:20, 10 November 2014 (EST)
↑ 2.02.1 wiewaswie Documenttype: DTB Dopen Erfgoedinstelling: Nationaal ArchiefNationaal Archief Plaats instelling: Den Haag Collectiegebied: Nieuw-Nederland Registratiedatum: 6 januari 1641 Akteplaats: Nieuw Amsterdam-New York Collectie: Collegiate Church of New York Aktesoort: Doopboek Eli = daughter Aeltje *grandmother of this child) is mentioned as a witness in 1641
↑ Totten, John Reynolds, "Aeltje Braconie-Baddie-Cool-Bredenbent Family Notes," New York Genealogical and Biographical Register 65:234-245, specifically p. 234, item 1644.
↑ Macy, "Some New Light," p. 29, footnote 47 cites "Ledley, 'Bennet' (note 21), RECORD [i.e. NYGBR] 93:74" but the citation appears to be incorrect.
↑ 12.0012.0112.0212.0312.0412.0512.0612.0712.0812.0912.10 Author: Ancestry.com Title: Public Member Trees Publication: Name: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2006; Repository: R2 Repository: R2 Name: www.ancestry.com Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Aeltje Braconie, Record for Eli Braconie, Record for Eli or Elio Braconie or Brachonge, Record for Aeltye Brackunell, Record for Eli Brackhoenige Braconie
↑ 13.013.1 Source: S32 Author: Ancestry.com Title: Public Member Trees Publication: Name: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2006; Repository: R2 Name: www.ancestry.com Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Aeltye Brackunell
↑ 14.014.114.2 Source: S32 Author: Ancestry.com Title: Public Member Trees Publication: Name: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2006; Repository: R2 Name: www.ancestry.com Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Aeltje Braconie Badie
Source: S-1980780095 Title: Ancestry Family Tree Repository: #R-1980869026 Title: Ancestry Family Trees Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com. .Note: Data: Repository: R-1980869026 Name: Ancestry.com Address: http://www.Ancestry.com Note: Text: Ancestry 248
Source: S-1980780100 Ancestry Family Tree Repository: #R-1980869030 Title: Ancestry Family Trees Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com. Original data: Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members. Note: Data: Repository: R-1980869030 Name: Ancestry.com Address: http://www.Ancestry.com Note: Text: Ancestry 252
Source: S32 Author: Ancestry.com Title: Public Member Trees Publication: Name: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2006; Repository: #R2 Repository: R2 Name: www.ancestry.com
Source: S-1980780100 Ancestry Family Tree Repository: #R-1980869030 Title: Ancestry Family Trees Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com. Page: Ancestry Family Trees Note: Data: Repository: R-1980869030 Name: Ancestry.com Address: http://www.Ancestry.com Note: Text: Ancestry 251
Source:S- 1980780095 Ancestry Family Tree 249 Repository: #R-1980869026 Title: Ancestry Family Trees Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com..Page: Ancestry Family Trees Note: Data: : Repository: R-1980869026 Name: Ancestry.com Address: http://www.Ancestry.com
Acknowledgments
WikiTree profiles Brachonge-6 and Brackunell-3 were created through the import of Johnson Family Tree 2011-08-24.ged on Aug 24, 2011 by Rosemary Palermo. See the Changes page for the details of edits by Rosemary and others.
WikiTree profile Braconie-9 created through the import of Lent_Vise_2011-05-11aa.ged on May 26, 2011 by Bryan Sypniewski. See the Changes page for the details of edits by Bryan and others.
WikiTree profiles Braconie-11, Braconie-12, Braconie-13, and Brackunell-1 were created through the import of Harris.ged on Jun 6, 2011 by Wade Lippman. See the Changes page for the details of edits by Wade and others.
William Ramage, Entered by William Ramage, Feb 27, 2012. Click the Changes tab for the details of edits by William and others.
Thank you to Robert Haack for creating WikiTree profile Braconie-20 through the import of romans.ged on Jul 24, 2013.
Eli Brackconje as remembered by Paul Lee, Thursday, August 14, 2014.
Unknown Brackhonge and Unknown Unknown as remembered by Mitchell Watson, Wednesday, November 5, 2014.
WikiTree profile Brachonge-5 created through the import of Johnson Family Tree 2011-08-24.ged on Aug 24, 2011 by Rosemary Palermo. See the Changes page for the details of edits by Rosemary and others.
Why Brachonge-5?
per already completed merges and accepted name - Settler status is speculative only (change message from Steven Mix)
WikiTree profile Brackunell-2 created through the import of Johnson Family Tree 2011-08-24.ged on Aug 24, 2011 by Rosemary Palermo. See the Changes page for the details of edits by Rosemary and others.
Thank you so much for the explanation of the last name Chet, it also makes more clear why the name is seen as Braconie or Braconier mostly in the archives and it probably is the more correct last name ?
And yes it's possible daughter Aeltje was a Huguenot, the name certainly sounds French. The problem we have here though is that the parents of Aeltje Braconie were Unknown, it was assumed by some Eli was a different person and not the same or just a nickname or short version of the name Aeltje.
So there were profiles added as parents for Aeltje Braconie, one Eli Braconie (supposed father) and Aeltye Brackunell (supposed mother) (and there were a couple of duplicates that all were merged).. while in fact her parents were and still are Unknown, and unfortunately we were not able to find records for Aeltje and her husband in the Dutch archives.
That in this case Eli was just a nickname of Aeltje, and that here parents were Unknown, is also mentioned here Brouwer genealogy.
And Herman, did you find a source or information somewhere that shows they were from Overijssel ? Would love some help :)
"Eli" or "Elie" is "Elias" in French and it is a male given name, not for a female. Could this be a French Huguenot family that left for Holland in the 16th Century when the anti-Protestant "civil war" began in France? Braconie or Braconnier is French and it's original meaning was "Poacher" - someone who illegally hunted game on a royal or a noble's estate.
Connected the Unknown Brackunell that was added as father to Aeltje Brackunell to this profile now as father. So we now can hopefully try and make a start with sorting this out and perhaps just leave this one as Unknown father for Aeltje if you all would prefer ?
I removed Johan van Berkenrode and Emmerentia Bisschops now as the 'newly' added supposed parents, they clearly were not parents of this profile and no sources were presented or found that showed they were.
We also still have to solve the problem with this Eli and Aeltje, the only sources we can find are just showing Eli and Aeltje were most likely just one and the same person.
So I think we now should start to correct this and perhaps merge them or just leave father as Unknown Braconie and disconnect mother as mother of Aeltje and merge her with her now supposed daughter (duplicate)? There was a new duplicate created again and the last name perhaps needs to be corrected to Braconie before we can merge them ? See also the Brouwer genealogy blogspot where the error is explained.
Hope you all agree and are ok with this ? If not or if you have sources that show otherwise all help of course is very welcome ;)
I am not aware of any documentation connecting Eli to Johahn and Erementia either Bea.... I have reached out to Dakota Mehus, who asserted below that they are the parents. Let's see what Dakota has in the way of evidence....
Their daughter married:
Johan Berck, b. abt 1565, ridder (knight), raadspensionaris en secretaris
van Dordrecht 1591 en verder, schepen 1622, ambassadeur aan de hoven
van Engeland en Denemarken (1607, 1610, 1618) en bij de Republiek Venetië
(1622).
Johan Berck married (1) Erkenraad van Berkenrode, dr of Jan van Berkenrode,
van Haarlem, and Emmerentia Bisschops, van Rotterdam, wed. van Dirk Berk
Hendriksz. and second (2) Maria Buyssen, dr. van Dr Cornelis Buysen, schepen van Breda en ordinaris medicijnen doctor van Willem van Oranje, en Maria Hanekops.
These families are pretty famous and related to the van Oranje family (Dutch Kings and Queens) so I think it's perhaps a 'wishful parents' connection ? I would disconnect them from the Ali Brackonie because they really were not having a son or daughter named Eli or Ely Brackonie ..
Thank you so much for the explanation of the last name Chet, it also makes more clear why the name is seen as Braconie or Braconier mostly in the archives and it probably is the more correct last name ?
And yes it's possible daughter Aeltje was a Huguenot, the name certainly sounds French. The problem we have here though is that the parents of Aeltje Braconie were Unknown, it was assumed by some Eli was a different person and not the same or just a nickname or short version of the name Aeltje.
So there were profiles added as parents for Aeltje Braconie, one Eli Braconie (supposed father) and Aeltye Brackunell (supposed mother) (and there were a couple of duplicates that all were merged).. while in fact her parents were and still are Unknown, and unfortunately we were not able to find records for Aeltje and her husband in the Dutch archives.
That in this case Eli was just a nickname of Aeltje, and that here parents were Unknown, is also mentioned here Brouwer genealogy.
And Herman, did you find a source or information somewhere that shows they were from Overijssel ? Would love some help :)
Greets and have a wonderful weekend both !
Bea x
I removed Johan van Berkenrode and Emmerentia Bisschops now as the 'newly' added supposed parents, they clearly were not parents of this profile and no sources were presented or found that showed they were.
We also still have to solve the problem with this Eli and Aeltje, the only sources we can find are just showing Eli and Aeltje were most likely just one and the same person.
So I think we now should start to correct this and perhaps merge them or just leave father as Unknown Braconie and disconnect mother as mother of Aeltje and merge her with her now supposed daughter (duplicate)? There was a new duplicate created again and the last name perhaps needs to be corrected to Braconie before we can merge them ? See also the Brouwer genealogy blogspot where the error is explained.
Hope you all agree and are ok with this ? If not or if you have sources that show otherwise all help of course is very welcome ;)
Greets and have a wonderful weekend,
Bea
Greets and have a wonderful day,
Bea
Erkenrade van Berkenrode was their only daughter according most info ?
Their daughter married: Johan Berck, b. abt 1565, ridder (knight), raadspensionaris en secretaris van Dordrecht 1591 en verder, schepen 1622, ambassadeur aan de hoven van Engeland en Denemarken (1607, 1610, 1618) en bij de Republiek Venetië (1622).
Johan Berck married (1) Erkenraad van Berkenrode, dr of Jan van Berkenrode, van Haarlem, and Emmerentia Bisschops, van Rotterdam, wed. van Dirk Berk Hendriksz. and second (2) Maria Buyssen, dr. van Dr Cornelis Buysen, schepen van Breda en ordinaris medicijnen doctor van Willem van Oranje, en Maria Hanekops.
These families are pretty famous and related to the van Oranje family (Dutch Kings and Queens) so I think it's perhaps a 'wishful parents' connection ? I would disconnect them from the Ali Brackonie because they really were not having a son or daughter named Eli or Ely Brackonie ..