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Matthias Brandenburg (abt. 1738 - 1806)

Matthias "Tice" Brandenburg
Born about in Berlin, Markgrafschaft Brandenburg, Heiliges Römisches Reichmap
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married 1764 in Frederick, Frederick, Marylandmap
Descendants descendants
Died in Clark, Kentucky, United Statesmap
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Biography

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Matthias Brandenburg is a DAR Patriot Ancestor, A013756.
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Matthias Brandenburg served with VA, 1777 Patriot Service during the American Revolution.

Matthias “Tice” Brandenburg was born somewhere in the Heiliges Römisches Reich (now Germany) between 1738 and 1744.[1] He left Germany for America, settling in Frederick Co. Maryland, where he married Hester Wohlgemot/Wohlgemuth in 1764. By 1782, Matthias had moved to Hampshire County, Virginia (now West Virginia) where he remained until after 1790. By 1800, he had continued west to Clark County Kentucky. Matthias and Hester had 14 children. Matthias died in November,1806, purportedly murdered by William Hardin. He is buried in Heidelberg Baptist Church Cemetery, Heidelberg, Lee County, Kentucky, USA. [2][3]

Claimed Royal Ancestry
Some time before his death, Matthias revealed to his family that he was a member of the Royal Family of Brandenburg, Prussia (The House of Hohenzollern). He told them that he and his brothers had left a vast estate in Prussia. and gave an account of giving an offence during a procession passing through the streets of Berlin. This account is provided in more detail at Space: Brandenburg from Brandenburg Legends.[3]

Siblings
Solomon Brandenburg (his brother) was born August 24, 1722 in Berlin and died March 24, 1796, somewhere in Holland. [4] According to his Geni profile, he was the brother of

  1. Alexander Heinrich Brandenburg; [3]
  2. Wilhelm Heinrich Brandenburg; [3]
  3. Johannes/John Martin Brandenburg; [3]
  4. Johann Andonges Brandenburg; [3]
  5. Eva Catherine Brandenburg and 3 others [3]

Residence
In 1782 he lived in Hampshire County, Virginia.[5]
In 1800 he resided in Clark County, Kentucky.- [6]

Death
Matthias died November 20, 1806 or 1807 in Crabtree Corners, Clark County, Kentucky, United States. Find A Grave reports his death in November 1806 aged 67-68 in Crab Orchard, Lincoln County, Kentucky, USA. He was buried in Heidelberg Baptist Church Cemetery, Heidelberg, Lee County, Kentucky, USA[7]
May have been murdered by a William Hardin.

Children
Children of Matthias Brandenburg

  1. Joseph Brandenburg[1][6]
  2. Elizabeth Brandenburg[1][6]
  3. David Brandenburg[1][6]
  4. Nancy Brandenburg[1][6]
  5. Samuel Brandenburg[1][6]
  6. Jonathan Brandenburg[1][6]
  7. Solomon Brandenburg[1][6]
  8. John Brandenburg[1][6]
  9. Sarah Brandenburg[1][6]
  10. Hester Brandenburg[1][6]
  11. Catherine Brandenburg[1][6]
  12. Absolom Brandenburg[1][6]
  13. Ruth Brandenburg[1][6]

These children may (or may not) be from a different Matthias:

  1. Henry Emerson Brandenburg* (1765–1838)[7] Henry Emerson Brandenburg, Sr.; [3] Henry Emerson Brandenburg, Sr. born 1768, Frederick County, Province of Maryland[3]
  2. Joseph Brandenburg* (1767–1864)[7] Joseph Brandenburg; [3]Joseph Brandenburg born 1767, Frederick Co., Maryland[3]
  3. Jonathan Brandenburg* (1775–1854)[7]
  4. Hester Brandenburg LaForce* (1788 – unknown)[7]
  5. Elizabeth FitzGerald; [3]Elizabeth FitzGerald, born 1769, Frederick County, Province of Maryland[3]
  6. David Brandenburg; [3]David Brandenburg, July 2, 1772, Frederick County, Province of Maryland[3]
  7. Nancy Warren and 9 others [3]Nancy Warren, born 1773, Frederick County, Province of Maryland[3]
  8. Samuel Brandenburg, born 1774, Hampshire County, Province of Virginia[3]
  9. Jonathan Brandenburg, born 1775, Hampshire, Virginia[3]
  10. Solomon Brandenburg, born Ap;ril 12, 1777, Hampshire, Virginia[3]

Research Note re Parentage

Matthias is variously shown as the son of Solomon Brandenburg or as the son of Frederick Solomon Brandenburgh[3] or the son of Solomon Thomas Brandenburg[3]
He has also been listed as the son of Friedrich Wilhem Brandenburg (1710-1741)
It has also been suggested that he was the son of Johannes Andonges Brandenburg (aka Johann Anthonius Brandenburg) who immigrated in 1740 thru New York.
All parental connections have been severed until clear sources are found.

Sources

  1. 1.00 1.01 1.02 1.03 1.04 1.05 1.06 1.07 1.08 1.09 1.10 1.11 1.12 1.13 Note: http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=sse&db=genepoolb&h=542608&ti=0&indiv=try&gss=pt Note: Data: Text: Birth date: 1744 Birth place: Berlin, Brandenburg, Germany APID: 1,5769::542608 Ancestry Record genepoolb #542608
  2. Find A Grave Memorial 55449050 Matthias Brandenburg Created by: DMLeForce. Added: 26 Jul 2010. Accessed June 3, 2018 jhd
  3. 3.00 3.01 3.02 3.03 3.04 3.05 3.06 3.07 3.08 3.09 3.10 3.11 3.12 3.13 3.14 3.15 3.16 3.17 3.18 3.19 3.20 3.21 Matthias Brandenburg] Managed by: Timothy Paul Setser. Last Updated: May 2, 2018. Accessed June 3 2019 jhd
  4. E-list posting from Katheryn Maddox Haddad; Subject: [HWE] Matthias Brandenburg; Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001
  5. Note: http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=sse&db=vacen&h=33054550&ti=0&indiv=try&gss=pt Note: Data: Text: Residence date: 1782 Residence place: Hampshire County, VA APID: 1,3578::33054550 Ancestry Record vacen #33054550
  6. 6.00 6.01 6.02 6.03 6.04 6.05 6.06 6.07 6.08 6.09 6.10 6.11 6.12 6.13 Note: http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=sse&db=genepoolm&h=293998&ti=0&indiv=try&gss=pt Note: Data: Text: Marriage date: 1764 Marriage place: Frederick Co, MD APID: 1,5774::293998 Ancestry Record genepoolm #293998
  7. 7.0 7.1 7.2 7.3 7.4
  • Heads of families at the first census of the United States taken in the year 1790. : records of the state enumerations, 1782 to Author: Ancestry.com Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2005.Original data - Heads of families at the first census of the United States taken in the year 1790. : records of the state enumerations, 1782 to 1785.. Washington: G.P.O., 1908.Matthias Brandenburg. Hampshire County Virginia
  • Kentucky Census, 1810-90 Author: Jackson, Ron V., Accelerated Indexing Systems, comp. Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1999.Original data - Compiled and digitized by Mr. Jackson and AIS from microfilmed schedules of the U.S. Federal Decennial Census, territorial/state censuses, and/or census substitutes.Ancestry Record kycen #8038595
  • Ancestry Family Trees Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com. Original data: Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members. Ancestry Profile
  • Family Data Collection - Marriages Author: Edmund West, comp. Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2001. Note: APID: 1,5774::0 Ancestry Record genepoolm #293998
  • Virginia Census, 1607-1890 Author: Jackson, Ron V., Accelerated Indexing Systems, comp. Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1999.Original data - Compiled and digitized by Mr. Jackson and AIS from microfilmed schedules of the U.S. Federal Decennial Census, territorial/state censuses, and/or census substitutes.Orig Note: APID: 1,3578::0 Ancestry Record vacen #33054550
  • Family Data Collection - Births Author: Edmund West, comp. Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2001. Note: APID: 1,5769::0 Ancestry Record genepoolb #542608
  • U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 Author: Yates Publishing Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2004.Original data - This unique collection of records was extracted from a variety of sources including family group sheets and electronic databases. Originally, the information was deriv Note: APID: 1,7836::0
  • Public Member Trees Author: Ancestry.com Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2006.Original data - Family trees submitted by Ancestry members.Original data: Family trees submitted by Ancestry members. Ancestry Profile
  • Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s Author: Gale Research Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2006.Original data - Filby, P. William, ed.. Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s. Farmington Hills, MI, USA: Gale Research, 2006.Original data: Filby, P. William, ed.. Passe Note: APID: 1,7486::0 Ancestry Record pili354 #219282
  • Anne Waller Reddy, West Virginia revolutionary ancestors : whose services were non-military and whose names, therefore, do not appear in revolutionary indexes of soldiers and sailors. Indexed from records in the Virginia State Library. Richmond, Virginia. 1930. Reprinted by Selby Publishing & Printing, Kokomo, Indiana. 1988. p. 16. Image


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It is my understanding from a fellow Brandenburg that has done the yDNA test that father of Matthias Brandenburg is Johannes Andonges Brandenburg (aka Johann Anthonius Brandenburg) who immigrated in 1740 thru New York. Most of what is seen on profiles is just misinformation copied from one collection to another. I am not closed-minded about this and would be happy to see reliable sources to point me in the right direction.
posted by Wm. P. Brandenburg
I've disconnected all parents from this profile and left a research note and will leave this profile PPP'd to prevent anyone from adding parents until we have parents backed up by better sources.
posted by Dave Rutherford
I have done as much as I can to clean up this profile. It is better than is was, by at least 40 references, but there is some advanced sourcing that mystifies me. The Ancestry templates link to the records.

I hope one of the profile managers or someone who is better at fancy sourcing will take it from here. Beware... moving the "ref name=" section destroys the formatting. I should learn how to do advanced sourcing, but don't want to spend time doing that.

I did remove the source for Baltimore Passenger arrivals. That source was for arrivals after 1820 and Matthias died in 1807.

Also, I found absolutely no evidence that Matthias' parents were Friedrich Wilhelm and Anne. They should be probably be detached from Matthias.

Kie

posted by Kie (Entrikin) Zelms
edited by Kie (Entrikin) Zelms
Thanks Kie for tackling this. Some of these profiles are a real mess. At least now, we can see the forest for the trees!

I think you're right about his parentage. I'll detach those folks and revise the "Parents" section.

posted by Dave Rutherford
I straightened things out a bit more. Still not a masterpiece, but a little better.

i detached the parents and left a research note about the parentage.

posted by Dave Rutherford
Thanks, Dave! Great note about the parentage issue...
posted by Kie (Entrikin) Zelms
I am related to both a James Hardin and Matthias Brandenburg. I wonder if William is also a relation, hmm. Also, my Brother received ashkenazi results from his maternal side and I am wondering if anyone else of us descendants did? Thanks!
posted by Bonnie Dean
Thanks for calling attention to this profile. While I am not a descendent, this profile has the most duplicate and gedcom imported sources I have encountered on WikiTree. Clearly when merges occurred there was no clean up attempted. Does anyone mind if I take a stab at reducing the duplicates and GEDCOM junk?
posted by Kie (Entrikin) Zelms
Please Kie, have at it! (he said in less than 30 characters)
posted by Dave Rutherford
Yet, you had to add characters to the 30. When you hear screams from the central US, you will know I regret making a conscious choice to start this!!!
posted by Kie (Entrikin) Zelms
maybe keep a record of everything you change so that way if someone complains about it you can give them the information? actually can you also send me the information? lol.

Mathias Brandenburg said he was related to a bunch of royals from Germany so maybe thats what the merges are about? is Mathias Brandenburg really that common of a name? im on the west coast. i dont know anything about all this. all those merges are probably from people like me who are guessing and have no idea what we are doing (although i dont even know how to do merges ha). also per my last comment, i reviewed things. it seems the hardins and brandenburgs may not be related per say except the descendants (me) because they married each other! ha, ironic. im related to a william hardin but he was born in 1880, so idk. i cant go up past james hardin born in indiana in 1825ish.

posted by Bonnie Dean
I am getting it cleaned up but have not removed any of the references. This is quite a challenge. The problem is that there are duplicate sources and biographical information, come from an imported family tree from Ancestry. There may have been some sort of computer glitch during the upload since I found 3 repetitions each of many sources. It was really weird. No one really wants to tackle extensive profile clean up like this.

If you click the changes tab on a profile, all the changes ever made are preserved so one can roll back the data to an earlier time. That makes editing much less scary, because mistakes can be corrected pretty easily.

I did add Ancestry templates to each source so you should be able to view the source information. .

Keep looking for your Brandenburgs and Hardins Also check the Free Space page to read about the "royal legend" It is quite interesting...

Find A Grave has some interesting reading as well.

Cheers! Kie (Not screaming as I am almost done... Or at least ready to stop.)

posted by Kie (Entrikin) Zelms
edited by Kie (Entrikin) Zelms
I have to agree with Ellen. There is no concrete evidence that Matthias was a member of the Prussian Royal Family. They were Protestant so insulting Catholics wouldn't have been offense. There is also a letter in a PDF I found 'Descendants of Matthias Brandenburg and Hester Wohlgemuth'. There's an interesting letter from an archivist in Berlin who researched Matthias and his brother Wilhelm to see if there was any documents to link them to royal family. There was nothing and as the archivist pointed out that such evidence for someone closely related to the King wouldn't have disappeared. I think it would be wiser to unlink any parents until something harder appears.
posted by Joel Grissom
I have misgivings about this proposed merge. Both sets of parents appear to be designed to weld royal ancestral lineages onto seemingly ordinary people, and I'm not seeing decent sources for either.

In the absence of reliable evidence for any set of parents, it seems to me the best choice is to merge the profiles, remove both sets of parents, project-protect the profile, and discuss the different notions about his parents in the profile text, with links to the various purported parents.

posted by Ellen Smith
Brandenburg-344 and Brandenburg-185 appear to represent the same person because: It seems clear that research on parents is inconclusive. These profiles represent the same person. They should be merged, with note made of disagreements about parentage.
posted by Dave Rutherford
Brandenburg-230 and Brandenburg-185 appear to represent the same person because: DOB's pretty much the same. Currently there are 3 Matthias Brandenburg's listed in the search, all are the same person.
Brandenberg-9 and Brandenburg-185 are not ready to be merged because: Unclear which LNAB this should be eventually. Also date of birth unclear.
posted by Philip van der Walt
Brandenberg-9 and Brandenburg-185 appear to represent the same person because: Same data (name, spouse, child)
posted by Philip van der Walt
Brandenburg-305 and Brandenberg-9 appear to represent the same person because: Same info I listed for the merge of Brandenberg-8 and Brandenburg-302
posted by Susan Luhrman