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John Brim (abt. 1644 - bef. 1709)

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John Brim aka Brame
Born about in Stoke Gabriel, Cheshire, Englandmap
Ancestors ancestors
Husband of — married 15 Nov 1674 in Christ Church, Middlesex, Colony of Virginiamap
Descendants descendants
Died before in Middlesex, Colony of Virginiamap
Profile last modified 27 Apr 2019 | Created 7 Jul 2015
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Biography

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John Brim migrated from England to Virginia.
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Military Service: Bacon's Rebellion === Name ===

Name: John /Brim/[1][2]
Name: John /Brame/[3]

Found multiple versions of NAME. Using John /Brim/.

Birth

Birth:
Date: 1616
Place: Stoke, Cheshire, England[4]
Birth:
Date: 1640
Place: Stoke, Cheshire, England

Found multiple copies of BIRT DATE. Using 1616

Residence

Residence:
Date: 1698
Place: Middlesex, Virginia Colony[5]

Marriage

Husband: John Brim
Wife: Mary Dabney
Child: Richins Brame
Relationship to Father: Natural
Relationship to Mother: Natural
Child: Alice Brim
Relationship to Father: Natural
Relationship to Mother: Natural
Child: Johannah Brame
Relationship to Father: Natural
Relationship to Mother: Natural
Child: Nicholas Brim
Relationship to Father: Natural
Relationship to Mother: Natural
Child: James Brim
Relationship to Father: Natural
Relationship to Mother: Natural
Child: Mary Brame
Relationship to Father: Natural
Relationship to Mother: Natural
Child: Thomas Brim
Relationship to Father: Natural
Relationship to Mother: Natural
Child: Peter Brame
Relationship to Father: Natural
Relationship to Mother: Natural
Child: Ann Brim
Relationship to Father: Natural
Relationship to Mother: Natural
Child: John Brim
Relationship to Father: Natural
Relationship to Mother: Natural
Child: Mary Breame
Relationship to Father: Natural
Relationship to Mother: Natural
Marriage:
Date: 15 NOV 1674
Place: Christ Church, Middlesex, Virginia Colony[6][7][8]

2017: By Robert Ellis. The following is from my 2005 paper on the ancestors of Hallie Dell Williams.

"John Brim was born in about 1644 in Stoke Gabriel, Devonshire, England to Nicholas Brend and Ann Bogin. Just when he immigrated is not clear, but he was living in Middlesex County, Virginia by 1674 when he married Mary Dabney...

"John Brim married Mary Dabney on 15 November 1674 in Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia. (Christ Church Parish and Middlesex County were one in the same.) They were neighbors of John Richens, and must have been quite found of him because they named one of their sons in his honor. That son, Richins Brame, is the ancestor of interest to this paper. ...

"John Richens’ influence probably brought John Brim into Bacon’s Rebellion on Bacon’s side. In the final days of the rebellion, Richens and another friend named George Hooper encamped with John Brim on the property of a Major Lewis, and made off with a considerable amount of clothing as well as some livestock and grain. In the aftermath of the rebellion, Lewis hailed all three into court, and Brim was fined twenty pounds Sterling.

"John and Mary had at least eight children (up to eleven according to some sources). As stated above, (Hallie's) ancestor was Richins Brame. (Richins and some of his siblings began spelling their surname Brame, not Brim.)

"John and Mary were noted in an essay about the hard life in Middlesex County in the 17th Century because they were an exception to the rule-they survived long enough to see all their children reach majority. Darrett B. and Anita H. Rutman wrote in their essay “Now-Wives and Sons-in-Law”: Parental Death in a Seventeenth-Century Virginia Count:

“A traveler to Virginia in the late 1680s noted that he had ‘met few old people’; in the same decade John Clayton, Virginia’s scientific parson, wrote that ‘if the English live past 33 they generally live to a good age’ but ‘many die between 30 and 33;’ and William Fitzhugh, writing in 1687, when he was thirty-six, looked upon himself as in his ‘declining age.”

“Middlesex’s first generation was an immigrant generation; evidence of birth dates…is scattered though the records of older counties and in England… yet enough material on the first and second generations (those born through 1710) has been gathered… We can hypothesize Middlesex’s median couple, a highly idealized concept, we stress… Presuming that, both husband and wife, the marriage was a first marriage, he would have just turned 24, she just 20….they would have between four and six children, perhaps one of which would die in infancy… Four or five would survive, however…The wife of this median marriage could be expected to die at 39… The husband, 43 at the death of his first wife, would probably remarry almost immediately and have still other children. But he could be expected to die in turn at 48.”


Sources

  • Source: S186 Author: Yates Publishing Title: U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 Publication: Name: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004.Original data - This unique collection of records was extracted from a variety of sources including family group sheets and electronic databases. Originally, the information was derived; Repository: #R1
  • Repository: R1 Name: Ancestry.com Address: http://www.Ancestry.com E-Mail Address: Phone Number:
  • Source: S189 Author: Edmund West, comp. Title: Family Data Collection - Births Publication: Name: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2001.; Repository: #R1
  • Source: S429 Author: Ancestry.com Title: Christ Church Parish, Virginia Births, 1653-1812 Publication: Name: Ancestry.com Operations Inc; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2000; Repository: #R1
  1. Source: #S189 Page: See entry
  2. Source: #S429 Page: See entry
  3. Source: #S186 Page: Source number: 23964.002; Source type: Pedigree chart; Number of Pages: 2
  4. Source: #S186 Page: Source number: 23964.002; Source type: Pedigree chart; Number of Pages: 2
  5. Source: #S189 Page: See entry
  6. Source: #S189 Page: See entry
  7. Source: #S429 Page: See entry
  8. Source: #S186 Page: Source number: 23964.002; Source type: Pedigree chart; Number of Pages: 2


Sources for 2005 paper:

1) Eng. Genealogist VI, 2: • Abstract: ...the immigrant ancestor of the Brame, Brim, and Brimm originating out of Middlesex County, Va, was John Brim (abt 1644, Devon, England - abt 1710, Middlesex County, VA) • Son of Nicholas Brim & Anne Bogin. Born c. 1644 in Stoke Gabriel, died c.1710 in Middlesex Co., VA. • Married Mary Dabney on 15 Nov 1674 in Middlesex Co., VA. Children: Nicholas; Mary; Elizabeth; Mary (2nd); Anne; John; Richins; Johannah; Peter; Thomas; James; & Alice. Note: Thomas and James spelled last name Brame. Nicholas and Richins may have spelled it Brame.

2) Eng Genealogist, VI, 2: Quoting Middlesex Co., records: • “1676 George Hooper was sumoned to answer to Major John Lewis the Plaintiff ...that George Hooper of this County came to the petitioner’s house about the 25th day of November last, in company with John Brim & others, And there did take and carry away of yr petioner’s goods to at least the value of four score pounds...Judgement is granted to the said Major John Lewis agt the said George Hooper...John Brim was sumoned to answer to Major John Lewis...Judgement is granted to Major John Lewis ast John Brim for the sume of twenty pounds Sterling...” Source: Middlesex Co., VA Court Order Book 1673-1694, p.80. Dtd 1 Oct 1677. • From “A Place in Time - Middlesex County, VA 1650-1750, by the Rutmans, pub 1984: The book discusses Middlesex men in support of Nathaniel Bacon during Bacon’s Rebellion of 1676 against Sir. William Berkeley, Gov of VA. “John Lewis of New Kent County lodged suits against a number of Middlesex men...who had quartered themselvs on his plantation, consuming ‘Three hoggs and two Sheepe...(and) a great quantaty of my Corne for themselves and horses,’ then carried off a variety of supplies for Ingram’s forces in Gloucester.” The Rutmans note that a John Richens was a partner of George Hooper in patenting some land in 1674, and that John Brim was a neighbor and close friend of Richens, and would name one of is sons Richens. This helps explain why Lewis brought Hooper and Brim to court for actions taken in Nov 1676 when they stole much wearing apparel from Major John Lewis during the final days of Bacon’s Rebellion.

Acknowledgements

  • Brim-62 was created by William Foster through the import of Ola Mundy Tree 2015-07-03.ged on Jul 3, 2015.


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