John
Bruce
Born before [location unknown]
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of
Sarah (Butler) Bruce
— married
11 Apr 1789 in Lambeth, Surrey, England
Descendants 
Father of
James Bruce
Died [date unknown]
[location unknown]
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Biography
John was born before 1776.
John Bruce married Sarah Butler on 11 April 1789 at St Mary's Lambeth, by license. They were bachelor and spinster, were both "of the parish", both signed the register, and witnesses were David Bruce and Elizabeth Phillips.[1] John Bruce was a brickmaker according to the marriage license.[2]
Sarah was admitted into the British Lying-In Hospital, Holborn, on 6 August 1791, her son James was born the same day, baptised on 18 August, and they were discharged from the hospital on 23 August. Hospital records had the information that Sarah was 29, her husband John was a brickmaker, and they lived at Lambeth. [3]
Research Notes
According to his son James's death certificate, James was born in Scotland and his parents were John Bruce, a baker, and Sarah Butler. James himself said in his convict indent, that he was from Arbroath, which is in Angus
So far there has only been one possibility found for his birth: There was a James Bruce whose birth was recorded in London in 1791 to parents John Bruce and Sarah Butler. (see above). However this john Bruce was a Brickmaker, not a Baker.
Why did James say he was born in Scotland if he was actually born in London?
Sources
- ↑ London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936 for John Bruce, St Mary, Lambeth 1785-1890 https://www.ancestry.com.au/imageviewer/collections/1623/images/31280_195085-00235?pId=2364491
- ↑ London and Surrey, England, Marriage Bonds and Allegations, 1597-1921 for John Bruce, 1789 Apr-Jun https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/2056/images/dwmp143006001?pId=491790
- ↑ Archive reference TNA/RG/8/59 Holborn, British Lying-In Hospital Endell Street: Nos 17720-25877. Vol 8, in Find My Past database, England & Wales Non-Conformist Births And Baptisms https://www.findmypast.com.au/transcript?id=TNA%2FRG4%2FBAP%2F25301
- Souce: (son James' death record) Deaths; Online index of the NSW Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/lifelink/familyhistory/search/deaths?37
| Name | Registration Number | Father's Given Name(s) | Mother's Given Name(s) | District |
| BRUCE JAMES | 3722/1874 | JOHN | SARAH | BATHURST |
- Source: Bruce Research 1, Author Unknown - Possibly John Cochrane, Page 1, John Bruce & Sarah Butler
- JOHN BRUCE from Lambeth married SARAH BUTLER
- JAMES BRUCE, b. 6 August 1791 London; died Kelso NSW 18 April 1874.
- married at Stepney, Middlesex 28 August 1822 SARAH ANN BURNEY (1803-1877)
- JAMES BRUCE, b. 6 August 1791 London; died Kelso NSW 18 April 1874.
- Source: Research - Bruce Excerpt 2012, Author John Bruce Moxon, p1, paragraph 1
- James BRUCE’s ancestry is unclear. Jennifer BRUCE, who has undertaken considerable research, traces his birth to London on 6th August 1791 to John BRUCE and Sarah (nee BUTLER). These names are consistent with his death certificate. However, his death certificate records his place of birth as “Scotland” and his Conditional Pardon states that his “Native Place” was Arbroarth (which is in Scotland). James died in 1874 and is buried at Kelso.
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DNA Connections
It may be possible to confirm family relationships with John by comparing test results with other carriers of his Y-chromosome or his mother's mitochondrial DNA. However, there are no known yDNA or mtDNA test-takers in his direct paternal or maternal line. It is likely that these autosomal DNA test-takers will share some percentage of DNA with John:
It may be possible to confirm family relationships with John by comparing test results with other carriers of his Y-chromosome or his mother's mitochondrial DNA. However, there are no known yDNA or mtDNA test-takers in his direct paternal or maternal line. It is likely that these autosomal DNA test-takers will share some percentage of DNA with John:
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~1.56%
Mark Williams
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~0.78%
Michelle (Gottwald) Baarsoe :
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~0.78%
Francine Dunlea :
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I think the simple answer to this was that James was, to put it mildly, not the best or most honest of people. I suspect he claimed his birth was in Scotland so as to make more plausible a claim that he was descended from Robert THE Bruce - certainly my family thought he was, so he presumably made that claim during his lifetime. It's been a real eye-opener to find out what the REAL story was, I can tell you! :)