Unknown Brunner (abt. 1840)

Born about 1840 in Grimm, Saratov, Russia

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Biography

Unknown Brunner was a Volga German.

Unknown Brunner has German Roots.

Family #346 in the 1857 Grimm census.

This profile is a placeholder for the father of [Brunner-1366|Elisabeth Brunner]]. There were only three Brunner males who could have been her father. ^[1]

• Georg Heinrich Brunner
• Johann Jakob Brunner
• Michael Brunner

Georg Heinrich Brunner: Family #82 in the 1897 census. He does not have a daughter named Elisabeth in this record. He could be her father; if so then she was already married, and she and her husband no longer lived in Grimm or their names were inadvertently left off of the census. ^[2]

Johann Jakob Brunner: Family #708 in the 1897 census. According to this record, he was a 53-year-old widower who resided in Latryky, Saratov. I cannot find Latryky on any map or listed anywhere on the Internet. If he moved there with his family, Elisabeth could have moved with him, before or after she married Franz Fischler/Fischer. Or she was inadvertently left off of the census.^[2]

Michael Brunner: He is not listed in the 1897 census. He may have been deceased and his wife remarried with children living under a different surname. Or he and his wife may have moved to another village, possibly Latryky, along with their children. Or he and his family were inadvertently left off of the census.^[2]

Once the name of her father is confirmed, I will merge the two profiles accordingly.

The Brunner family was not one of the original Grimm families, unless their surname was a corruption of Brungard or Brungardt. Since there were Brunners in original immigration records, the latter is probably not the case.

Brunners don't show up in Grimm until the 1857 census. Since it doesn't show where they were originally from, it is likely that they moved to Grimm between 1834 and 1850, and their village of origin was listed in the 1850 male-only census. According to the 1798 census for all the the Volga German villages, Brunners lived in only three villages at that time: Galka, Moor, and Reinwald. ^[3] There was also a female Brunner from Messer, but either her family moved away from Messer or all males with the Brunner surname were deceased by 1798.

1857 Grimm Census ^[1]

Family #

Head of the Household Heinrich Brunner, age 37 in 1850, deceased 1850

Child #1 Katharina Margaretha Brunner, age 20

Child #2 Georg Heinrich Brunner, age 19

Child #3 Katharina Brunner, age 16

Child #4 Jakob Brunner, age 14

Child #5 Michael Brunner, age 11

Note that his mother is not listed in this census, but that does not necessarily mean she was deceased. She most likely outlived her husband by at least 3 to 5 years, at which time her two oldest children would have been old enough to help raise their younger siblings, perhaps without living parents. It's also possible his mother remarried and moved to another household, leaving her children behind to keep that land in the family. If both parents were deceased by 1850, their oldest child would have been 13 in 1850, and the youngest 4. It seems unlikely that the children would have been able to maintain their family's household without being in the care of an aunt or uncle or other another relative.

Sources

1. ↑ ^{1.0 1.1} 1857 Census of Grimm in the District of Saratov, Russia, dated 5 November 1857; Translated by Brent Mai, Concordia University, Portland, Oregon; Published by Dynasty Publishing, Beaverton, OR, USA; Published 2005; page 117, family #346, Heinrich Brunner family.
2. ↑ ^{2.0 2.1 2.2} 1897 Grimm (Lesnoi Karamysh), Russia census List, translated by Richard Rye, compiled and edited by John Groh and Henry Schmick, published by the American Historical Society of Germans from Russia 2017, Lincoln, Nebraska; page 35, Brunner families #82 and 708.
3. ↑ Mai, Brent Alan; 1798 Census of the German Colonies along the Volga, Volumes 1 & 2; American Historical Society of Germans from Russia, Lincoln, Nebraska; Published 1999 and 2005. See index.