In 1120 Roger de Cailly made a gift of land in Lincolnshire, which was confirmed by a deed of 1184.
It is just possible that Roger is the Roger de Cailly who in 1155 witnessed a deed of the Empress Matilda confirming a gift of Oelard de Cleis to the church of St John of Foucarmont, not far from Cailly in Normandy. But dates may make this unlikely.
This profile follows the Nobiliare Universel in postulating that there were two people, father ( Roger de Cailly) and son (this profile), with the name Roger de Cailly. This view has not been universally shared. Foster's Yorkshire Pedigrees has only one Roger de Cailly who was son of the first Osbert lord of Cailly and father of the Osbert de Cailly, who was husband of Hildeburgh de Baudemont.: the difficulty with that view is that, if there was only one Roger de Cailly, and he was adult, as is likely, by or soon after 1066, he would have had to live an extremely long life by the standards of the time to have fathered Osbert and made the 1120 gift.
There must be some uncertainty about this. For example the French pedigree names completely different children to Osbert and Hildeburgh, making it seem certain that there are records for at least two different Osberts being combined in different ways in the old pedigrees.
Keats-Rohan's Domesday Descendants states that Roger was son of Simon de Cailly. Simon was regarded by 19th century genealogists as son of Humphrey de Cailly son of Osbern. Keats-Rohan speculates tentatively that Simon was son of an Osbern de Cailly, who held lands in Suffolk. One thing that needs to be reconciled if this uncertainty is to be resolved is that the descendants of the Roger of this profile inherited Cailly near Rouen, and that another Roger de Cailly, son of Osbern, held Cailly in 1080 when he confirmed a gift made there by his father Osbern to the Abbey of Rouen. That Roger is shown here as father of the Roger of this profile. The circle can be squared if an Osbern de Cailly father of Simon was in fact son of that Roger de Cailly not of Humphrey - but this could be a tight squeeze of generations - or if Simon was himself son of Roger de Cailly not of the Osbern tentatively suggested by Keats-Rohan, making Roger de Cailly grandfather rather than father of the Roger of this profile.
This profile currently follows Foster's Yorkshire pedigrees in giving Petronella de Vere as wife of Roger de Cailly. Keats-Rohan states that he was married twice, to Joan and then to Beatrice. One of Keats-Rohan’s sources for these wives was Michael Cayley who in the early 1990s shared genealogical information with her prosopographical project following an appeal for help from members of the UK Society of Genealogists. As Michael Cayley made clear at the time, for Joan and Beatrice as wives of Roger he was drawing on an old unsourced family tree held by relatives, so the information on Joan and Beatrice might not be reliable.
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On 1 Oct 2018 at 21:54 GMT Michael Cayley wrote:
On 1 Oct 2018 at 21:49 GMT Michael Cayley wrote:
On 1 Oct 2018 at 21:37 GMT Andrew Lancaster wrote:
On 1 Oct 2018 at 21:33 GMT Michael Cayley wrote:
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On 1 Oct 2018 at 21:18 GMT Michael Cayley wrote:
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On 1 Oct 2018 at 20:54 GMT Michael Cayley wrote:
On 1 Oct 2018 at 19:29 GMT Andrew Lancaster wrote:
She also think this Roger was son of Simon and Alice. She makes citations to specific charters that can be checked. ADDED: K-R shows that Simon had a son named Osbert and a son named Roger and a son named William.
On 1 Oct 2018 at 19:24 GMT Andrew Lancaster wrote: